Flight from Jackson

Status
Not open for further replies.

KurtRambis4

Redshirt
Aug 30, 2006
15,926
0
36
No I wouldn't

Crime is not the only reason Jackson is a shitbox. There are a list of reasons why. Crime is just part of it.
 

coach66

Junior
Mar 5, 2009
12,691
312
83
Probably more responsible than any single group, I agree. Once criminals know

there are very serious consequences to getting caught it tends to change their behavior. The Rankin/Madison county DA. (good bulldog) has made it clear.
 

FlabLoser

Redshirt
Aug 20, 2006
10,709
0
0
Crime is not the only reason Jackson is a shitbox. There are a list of reasons why. Crime is just part of it.

The list if reasons leads to city leadership, which is **** because too many good people left Jackson because....Bracky. Well, because crime. I think it all goes back to crime.
 

Col. Forbin

Junior
Oct 2, 2012
1,352
209
63
Work right across the street from the Whole Foods

at highland bluff north. 2 cars where broken into yesterday in broad daylight. One guy had a gun stolen from his truck and don't know what they got from the other. I can't tell you the last time I have seen a policeman on patrol around this area, when its not the Holiday season.
 

fishwater99

Freshman
Jun 4, 2007
14,073
54
48
there are very serious consequences to getting caught it tends to change their behavior. The Rankin/Madison county DA. (good bulldog) has made it clear.

You are correct the difference isn't the judges it's the ineptitude of the JPD and the DA and assistant DA's in Hinds CO.
I know several judges and they are not the problem...
 

patdog

Heisman
May 28, 2007
56,798
26,187
113
You should be able to afford a pretty good down payment after that last fundraiser.**
 

mstateglfr

All-American
Feb 24, 2008
15,981
5,825
113
The problem is kids. You can't afford multiple children unless you bring in 150K, have rich grandparents, or are willing to sacrifice tremendously.

Is the issue cost of living in the city vs surrounding area?
Or is it that you cant send the kids to public schools for them to not be idiots or get hurt so private school it is, which cost $?
 
Sep 11, 2012
410
0
0
I'm going to have to go ahead and disagree with you on that.

I live and work near your place of employment, and I see cops on a near constant basis. It usually takes less than a few minutes for cops to start circling my neighborhood if I report a suspicious vehicle.

Also, no cop will ever admit this, but they want you to call in anything you see, especially in NEJ. It gives them license to pull over any vehicle that may fit the description.
 

dawgstudent

Heisman
Apr 15, 2003
39,445
18,868
113
Speaking of that - if anyone would like to see the receipt of payment for the web hosting - I will be happy to show you.
 

woozman

All-Conference
Nov 13, 2004
3,402
2,583
113
Also, there is a significant shift in how and where people shop. Massive strip centers largely populated by big box retail are becoming a thing of the past.

The Promenade in D'Iberville disagrees with this statement. It is a shopping complex at the NW corner of the I-10/I-110 interchange with 700,000 SF of retail space including big box retail. The same developers are starting another similar complex at the SW corner of 10/110 that will be almost as large. MDOT is redoing the 10/110 interchange as well as adding interchanges to I-10 at two local roads each side of 110 to accommodate all the current and future traffic to these areas.
 

Thrl595

Redshirt
Jul 2, 2013
168
0
0
Whole Foods is building where the money is... You ever hear of Eastover? The nicest neighborhood the State of MS..

Jackson has it's crime, like most larger cities. It does have some bad area's, but it also has some nice areas.
Eastover, Leftover, Belhaven and Fondren are all great neighborhoods.
Fondren is hopping with new developments and Belhaven is coming along with the new Baptist development and Fortification..
Capital Street is being redone and you should see a resurgence downtown once it is completed. It's happening.
Crime is moving to the suburbs too, Madison, Ridgeland, and Rankin county are not immune and it gets worse every year.
Jackson is not that bad, I live here and I am proud to call it home and will do what I can to make the city a better place to work and live.
You can't just run away from crime, unless you build a compound in the country and put up razor wire..

Thank you for validating my earlier post. I hate to be the one to say this but pull your head out of your ***.
 

patdog

Heisman
May 28, 2007
56,798
26,187
113
I kid and I have no idea how much money you net/lose on this website. But any money you do net is definitely well deserved.
 
Aug 22, 2012
324
0
0
I think people who live in Jxn have forgotten how it feels to feel safe. I was out of town with a banker friend of mine last year, who was worried about leaving his family alone in N/E Jxn. Said his wife doesn't like it when he is out of town not that his oldest son is in college. His conversation with her sounded like someone talking to a love one in Bosnia. "Honey, just turn on the alarm system and make sure the shotgun is loaded, shoot first and ask questions later." And they live in Eastover. I was thinking the whole time, **** my wife will probably forget to lock the door and we don't even know how to turn our alarm on. Mayor Mary is a crazy ***** but i sure do like living in Madison.
 
Sep 11, 2012
410
0
0
Madison certainly has its advantages. I simply prefer Jackson. I live 3 minutes from where I work, and less than 5 minutes from any place I would like to get something to eat/drink/be entertained. I like being able to get in the car with my wife, make the two minute ride down to Fondren, laugh at the hipsters (couldn't think of a worse place to be a hipster than Jackson, MS. Give it up, Mr. Costello.), have a beer or three with some friends, then mosey back to the house.

One advantage I have is that we have lived in some pretty shady places where the threat of intrusion was much greater. I think that really tempered my wife from any irrational fear. This is true even though we've already been broken into during the middle of the day. The suspects were students at JA, by the way.
 
Sep 11, 2012
410
0
0
Terrible public schools, lack of anything resembling culture, no really good place to go and have a good time, lack of people under the age of 30 who don't have kids, ****** job opportunities, ****** opportunities to advance in the marketplaces that are available, it's not close to the beach, it's not close to the mountains, there really isn't a damn thing to do outside, where's the nice part of town?, no good pro teams to watch, there's not even a decent movie theater in the city limits. ****, name a good sports bar in Jackson. I dare you. You want me to keep going? If NEJ was crime free, Jackson would still be a shitbox.
 

Palos verdes

Redshirt
Aug 22, 2012
1,839
36
48
Outback Steakhouse (spit) and Academy Sports are moving to Flowood.

I-55 is lined with noname brand hotels.

Can't believe Whole Foods is building over there.

County Line doesn't seem bad. But with retail bailing out of there left & right, it's only a matter of time.

So are those two chains actually closing those stores and relocating, or just adding the Flowood locations??
 

rabiddawg

Redshirt
Aug 19, 2010
2,017
0
0
Noooo. Eastover has nothing on the north side of the reservoir for nicest neighborhoods. When I was 10 Eastover was the place but it has been eclipsed by just about half the neighborhoods in Lake Caroline/Reservoir area.

Does anyone one remember the "Christmas in Eastover" song they used to play on Miss 103 20 years or so ago. It lost its chic soon after
 

rabiddawg

Redshirt
Aug 19, 2010
2,017
0
0
I'll say this about D'Iberville. It's a nice-*** town. Went there for a weekend with kids for their soccer tournament and it's a very nice area. I wouldn't leave reservoir are for many other places but that is one of the places
 

rabiddawg

Redshirt
Aug 19, 2010
2,017
0
0
Don't know or care. I have never eaten at any Outback because they overlooked us in favor of Georgia in a bowl game a long time ago. But dick's in Flowood definitely needs some competition.
 

Palos verdes

Redshirt
Aug 22, 2012
1,839
36
48
Jackson is America's little Detroit.

Look at Jackson's demographics, and city leaders,...TOO FAR GONE, it won't be brought back. It was a great town in the 40's, 50's and 60's, and still had a chance in the 80's. However, no one had any foresight or plan to save it from it's impending doom. Since the early 2000's they've made an effort to save it, but they waited too late. Jackson is very much like an animal that has become functionally extinct.
 

rabiddawg

Redshirt
Aug 19, 2010
2,017
0
0
That's because no other town had anything to compare with Jackson up until the 70's. Cross gates in Brandon was the first planned community in the state and that signaled Jackson's downfall. As soon as people realized they didn't have to stay in Jxn to have nice places to shop and eat. I remember when Jxn built Metrocenter and that place was better than Disneyland to a kid from the country. Jxn's strict alcohol and shopping laws were too much to overcome. In a lot of wYs the old money is responsible as well for the cities demise. The First Baptist crowd fighting tooth and nail to keep Sunday shopping and alcohol sales out of their city led to the rise of Ridgeland and North Park. North Park led to the rise of Madison and it was over for Jxn.

all the cool bars I used to go too are far gone too. Jxn used to have a good nightlife twenty years ago. Katmandu's, Dutch Bar, Inez's, Cherokee's, Town and County Saloon and my all time favorite The Dock. All gone. The only two places left with any history are Hal and Mal's and Scrooges.
 
Last edited:

Palos verdes

Redshirt
Aug 22, 2012
1,839
36
48
That's because no other town had anything to compare with Jackson up until the 70's. Cross gates in Brandon was the first planned community in the state and that signaled Jackson's downfall. As soon as people realized they didn't have to stay in Jxn to have nice places to shop and eat. I remember when Jxn built Metrocenter and that place was better than Disneyland to a kid from the country. Jxn's strict alcohol and shopping laws were too much to overcome. In a lot of wYs the old money is responsible as well for the cities demise. The First Baptist crowd fighting tooth and nail to keep Sunday shopping and alcohol sales out of their city led to the rise of Ridgeland and North Park. North Park led to the rise of Madison and it was over for Jxn.

all the cool bars I used to go too are far gone too. Jxn used to have a good nightlife twenty years ago. Katmandu's, Dutch Bar, Inez's, Cherokee's, Town and County Saloon and my all time favorite The Dock. All gone. The only two places left with any history are Hal and Mal's and Scrooges.

You are correct. I remember all of those bars. Flight has happened in nearly all cities, many similar towns made efforts to reinvigorate their downtown core earlier than Jackson did. They have reaped the rewards of their forward thinking with different levels of success. I wish Jackson had done that when it was still useful to do so.
 

NCDawg.sixpack

Redshirt
Aug 23, 2012
1,125
1
38
Terrible public schools, lack of anything resembling culture, no really good place to go and have a good time, lack of people under the age of 30 who don't have kids, ****** job opportunities, ****** opportunities to advance in the marketplaces that are available, it's not close to the beach, it's not close to the mountains, there really isn't a damn thing to do outside, where's the nice part of town?, no good pro teams to watch, there's not even a decent movie theater in the city limits. ****, name a good sports bar in Jackson. I dare you. You want me to keep going? If NEJ was crime free, Jackson would still be a shitbox.

You pretty well nailed it. I spent many years in Jackson, moving 3 different times. Sent my kids to private schools because you really don't have a choice if you want your kids to have a decent education. Moved to North Carolina where they have great public schools in most of the State.
 

woozman

All-Conference
Nov 13, 2004
3,402
2,583
113
D'Iberville is a nice area. I live in Gautier and it's nice too. To be honest, Ocean Springs is probably the best city to live in on the coast. Especially if you live within walking distance of the downtown area with restaurants, parks, beach, etc. If I had millions, I'd move to Pass Christian and buy one of the mansions on Scenic overlooking the Sound.
 

Philly Dawg

All-American
Oct 6, 2012
12,265
6,825
113
"Nicer" is a subjective term, but those high end Jackson neighborhoods are going to have higher per capita incomes.
 

msu4life07

Redshirt
Nov 28, 2008
233
0
0
Because the wife's residency will probably take us elsewhere. Plus, I don't want to live in Jackson my whole life. I'll defend it, sure, as I sit here comfortably safe in my Belhaven home, but I do want to life other places (Seattle, Portland, Charleston).

The year after I graduated from State I lived near downtown St. Louis in a nice area called Lafayette Square. It's similar to Belhaven with it's history and old homes, except the houses are much more expensive. I feel much safer here than I did there.
 

KurtRambis4

Redshirt
Aug 30, 2006
15,926
0
36
Aaaaand I believe

FormerlyHLReb pretty much nailed it. Keep fooling yourself, though. I guess it's "cool".
 
Feb 19, 2013
1,245
373
83
Whole Foods is building where the money is... You ever hear of Eastover? The nicest neighborhood the State of MS..

There is definitely a whole lot of money in Eastover......probably more money than any other neighborhood in the state, due to the Lampton family alone. But it is nowhere close to the nicest neighborhood in the state. If you brought someone in from out of state that had no bias and tried to tell them that Eastover was nicer than Bridgewater, Johnstone, or a number of other neighborhoods, they would think you were on drugs.
 

dotcomdawg

Redshirt
Oct 2, 2013
303
1
18
Hopefully a city's quality of life will not be determined by the condition of it's roads, the murder rate, and number of boil-water notices issued per year.
 

jxndawg

Freshman
Dec 26, 2009
247
98
28
Jackson has its fair share of problems, like any decent-sized city with burbs springing up around it, but I think its biggest problem for the last 25 years or so has been lack of strong leadership. Bernie Ebbers actually wanted to build a new high rise downtown for Worldcom's pre-meltdown HQ. What he got from the city was a lot of pushback and foot-dragging about zoning and building variances, so he took his football home and went to Clinton. Same deal with Trustmark Park: the planners initially thought about putting it downtown, like in Memphis, but the city gave it a cool reception when they should've offered to do whatever it took to get the park built.

I live in Madison, but we're not Jackson-haters. The wife and I have both worked downtown, she still does, and our kids are in daycare there. Five years ago when we were in the market for a bigger house, all options were on the table, and we looked in Belhaven, NE Jxn, Ridgeland, the Rez and Madison. What it finally boiled down to was value for your $$. As a cheap bastard, I know I'm going to have to pay property taxes and buy car tags no matter where we live, so the question for me was how good of a value for my money would I get from those places? In terms of good roads, utilities, schools and police/fire protection, Jackson can't match the other places. The biggest/only pro we saw to Belhaven was the character of houses and the neighborhood - you can get nice, old hardwood floors, mouldings, etc in some houses there that would cost a ton in new/er construction. But that was about it.
 

dawgstudent

Heisman
Apr 15, 2003
39,445
18,868
113
Just depends on what you like. If you like new construction, no doubt any neighborhoods with 500K homes would blow them out of the water. If you like a developed neighborhood with older homes, Eastover would be your cup of tea.
 
Sep 11, 2012
410
0
0
Jackson is not a decent-sized city. Also, I don't understand the fascination with lower taxes. I simply don't pay that much in taxes per year, and with the money I save on gas, I considered the tax issue a wash.
 
Status
Not open for further replies.