Flight from Jackson

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GhostOfJackie

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Got to keep apartments and low income housing out of Madison and Gluckstadt. If that area falls then I'm gone.

^^THIS x100^^

Life span of an apartment complex

Years 1-3

New apartment is built, really nice, young people hang out at the pool, rent is high, good people move in, all is well

Years 4-10

Apartment decays, good people move out, rent is lowered, bad people move in, Jackson style crime happens, entire community suffers.
 

NCDawg.sixpack

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Got to keep apartments and low income housing out of Madison and Gluckstadt. If that area falls then I'm gone.

Low income apartments off Ridgewood Rd, between Atkins and County Line Road, pretty much doomed the real estate values east of there. Values dropped in both Lake Trace and Northpointe, as I can personally attest to.
 

MSU Fan.sixpack

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Enough about Jackson

This exact thread is rehashed a couple of times a month. We get it. The people on this board think Jackson's a dump. Yay for you. Tell me, what is so great about the **** town you live in in MS? Please tell me about the vibrant economy and young professional class you have in your awesome town that puts Jackson to shame.
 

seshomoru

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They are appealing the loss of accreditation... not looking good for them.

I don't know how you go about moving a zoo, but it would benefit being over in LeFleur's Bluff behind the Kid's Museum and the Museum of Natural Science (both of which are fantastic). If not the full zoo, at least something like an aquarium and maybe a smaller zoo that shows off more regional wildlife. It's a real shame, because I loved the Jackson Zoo growing up.
 

NCDawg.sixpack

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I think Jackson between from around old canton (all the way to county line) and downtown are just like any other decent MS city. There are other parts of Jackson which bring it down.

The problem is kids. You can't afford multiple children unless you bring in 150K, have grandparents willing to help with tuition, or are willing to sacrifice tremendously.

Have you not noticed the crime around the Colonial Circle area, off Old Canton Road? Granted, it used to safe in that area. Lake Trace and Northpointe used to be safe, also. Not quite so much any more.
 

fishwater99

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Where are all the good bars in Madison and Flowood?

Jackson still has the bars and better restaurants. Can you name one good Bar in Madison or Flowood?

Bars (Hal & Mal's, Martin's, 119 Underground, Fondren Public, The Bulldog, Duling Hall for music, Ole Tavern on George Street, Fenians, The Apothecary , Sam's Lounge, Cherokee Drive Inn, The Library)
 

FlabLoser

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I don't know how you go about moving a zoo, but it would benefit being over in LeFleur's Bluff behind the Kid's Museum and the Museum of Natural Science (both of which are fantastic). If not the full zoo, at least something like an aquarium and maybe a smaller zoo that shows off more regional wildlife. It's a real shame, because I loved the Jackson Zoo growing up.


Didn't they just upgrade that place a few years ago? That decisions could have used some better forethought.
 

fishwater99

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That's not really a bar. It's a restaurant. The Bugs are good, I give you that..
Did they finally get their liquor license?

And no way would drive drunk in Rankin County..
 

FlabLoser

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Where are all the good bars in Madison and Flowood?

Jackson still has the bars and better restaurants. Can you name one good Bar in Madison or Flowood?

Bars (Hal & Mal's, Martin's, 119 Underground, Fondren Public, The Bulldog, Duling Hall for music, Ole Tavern on George Street, Fenians, The Apothecary , Sam's Lounge, Cherokee Drive Inn, The Library)


I might be wrong, but I think there can't be any bars in Flowood. I think Flowood liquor places have to have a certain percentage of revenue from food.

A bar in Madison? Not unless Queen Mary starts drinking.
 

seshomoru

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Yeah... there are restaurants with bars...

but nothing quite like a Fenians or Hal and Mals. The bar at Table 100 is nice, and there's a place called Bonnie Blairs Irish Pub that I've never been to. I think Flowood is in a prime position to really become it's own little community if it's smart with it's planning. I absolutely hate that an Academy Sports is going across the street from Winner's Circle Park and the Library. Would have been a great place to put some smaller shops, restaurants, etc. Not that I necessarily have anything against Academy, but a better locale would have been along the new parkway.
 

FlabLoser

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but nothing quite like a Fenians or Hal and Mals. The bar at Table 100 is nice, and there's a place called Bonnie Blairs Irish Pub that I've never been to. I think Flowood is in a prime position to really become it's own little community if it's smart with it's planning. I absolutely hate that an Academy Sports is going across the street from Winner's Circle Park and the Library. Would have been a great place to put some smaller shops, restaurants, etc. Not that I necessarily have anything against Academy, but a better locale would have been along the new parkway.

I heard BB's is going to close.

I can't visualize how that Academy Sports is going to look. I read it is supposed to face Lakeland. So its back would be turned to Flowood Dr? That makes no sense. Maybe I am misunderstanding exactly where it is going to go.

And I am with you that a big box store right next to a nice park is not a good move.

What new parkway?
 
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The title of the thread says it all--there is measurable flight from Jackson. It's not outsiders on this board making the biggest statement about Jackson. It's the people who actually live there who are answering the question "Is Jackson a good place to live" by leaving in droves. The Coast where I'm from lost a bunch of folks too--because their houses washed away. They are coming back, but not to the beach. Can't afford the insurance. It will never be the same.

Reality sucks sometimes. But it's fair to point to negatives about a city that is losing population -- it's just that in Jackson's case, it's not the weather-- it's the crime, decay, schools, etc.
 

jxndawg

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I agree ... I intended a pretty loose definition of "decent-sized" city. I guess I was thinking of somewhere just big enough to entail a core-city-versus-the-suburbs kind of argument.

And you're right about taxes. Jackson haters often throw out higher taxes/tags as an issue, but I considered it as fairly even in the grand scheme of things. So again, all things being equal, it came down in my mind to what am I getting for my tax dollars, and what place gave me the overall best value in terms of public works, utilities, schools, police/fire protection, property values and intangibles (like neighborhood character and overall vibe). The only areas that Jackson even competed in were neighborhoods with cool, older houses with 50 year old trees and a short commute. Everything else tilted in favor of somewhere else.
 

seshomoru

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The parkway that has been planned forever...

It was to continue Old Fannin all the way to Old Brandon or maybe even Hwy 80. They've connected it from Dogwood to Eldorado Rd. so far. Nice 4 lane with a median divider and bike paths on the side. There is some movement on the Flowood Town Center (behind the big shopping center with Belk), but it's still a ways off. I think Academy considered that for a while, but maybe that was just to visually close to Dick's. Flowood really needs to land Crechales when it finally moves. The Manship would have been a great get, but they are opening in the frontage across from Baptist. That doesn't really disappoint me though, since I don't mind going to Jackson for a good meal, but it would have been nice to have a choice between it and Table 100. I wish some of the restaurants closer to the river were out the Dogwood or spillway/old fannin way. Would be nice to have El Slavas, Grants, and Mugshots out there. Flowood is also begging for a Grandview style movie theatre, but that would destroy Parkway Place and move the empty big boxes even closer.
 
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seshomoru

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That website is on one of Coach34's IT timelines.

I take a peek occasionally when I go the Old Fannin Farmers Market. If they get a decent selection of craft beers, I'll be a new customer.
 

fishwater99

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Thank you for validating my earlier post. I hate to be the one to say this but pull your head out of your ***.

I am not saying Jackson is great, Hell I might move to Madison in a few more years so I won't have to send my children to JA or Prep.
I currently pay for tuition at FPDS, which is great since I am in Belhaven.
I think Prep is right at $15K per year. That's $210K for 2 kids for 6th-12th grade.
I have no problem with people leaving Jackson for a good free education for your children.

If you don't have children or can afford the tuition, why would you not want to live in Jackson unless you had a large parcel of land?
Jackson has the best restaurants, all the bars, and the only nightlife around. Crime is not a good reason to flee...
 

seshomoru

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Just your standard renovations

They upgraded the tiger den one year, the splash pad for kids the next, etc. They really are a victim of location. Nothing else helps prop up that area. I remember taking field trips there and I was at Jackson Academy. Some friends even had the occasional birthday party there. Which reminds me that my favorite birthday spot as a child is long gone.... peace out Lawril Lanes. Shoot, we went there as part of our graduation night at Jackson Prep. Sad to see that place go.
 
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RebelAlumnus

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Terrible public schools, lack of anything resembling culture, no really good place to go and have a good time, lack of people under the age of 30 who don't have kids, ****** job opportunities, ****** opportunities to advance in the marketplaces that are available, it's not close to the beach, it's not close to the mountains, there really isn't a damn thing to do outside, where's the nice part of town?, no good pro teams to watch, there's not even a decent movie theater in the city limits. ****, name a good sports bar in Jackson. I dare you. You want me to keep going? If NEJ was crime free, Jackson would still be a shitbox.

This is Jackson in one paragraph. Well done.
 

johnson86-1

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This exact thread is rehashed a couple of times a month. We get it. The people on this board think Jackson's a dump. Yay for you. Tell me, what is so great about the **** town you live in in MS? Please tell me about the vibrant economy and young professional class you have in your awesome town that puts Jackson to shame.

I would say the Coast is the only place in Mississippi that is somewhat comparable to Jackson and it's better. It's spread out, but it has a decent sized population, has better food and entertainment options between the different down town areas and casinos, and its schools are good enough that you can raise a family there without being rich. It also has a decent sized professional class, is fairly young for Mississippi, and has economic opportunities. The only issue is what will happen to it long term with the insurance issues. But even then, there's not a real city. It's almost like a bunch of suburbs formed next to each other without a city.

Tupelo, South Memphis, and Madison are all nice enough for young families, but they are not really offering the same thing as Jackson. Oxford and Starkville and Hattiesburg are also nice enough and better for a lot of people, but again, not really offering the same thing as Jackson. Jackson's competition is Birmingham, Memphis, New Orleans, and I guess Little Rock and Mobile. Jackson's problem is that it offers big city problems without big city amenities. No sense in bashing it, it's just the way it is. As several people have mentioned, it's still the best option in the state for many people (hence it being the biggest population center in the state). People in the surrounding areas should definitely be doing what they can to support and promote Jackson though, as Jackson turning into Little Detroit is not going to be good for anybody.
 

johnson86-1

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Is there anywhere in Jack that is basically free from break ins and petty crime?

Whole Foods is building where the money is... You ever hear of Eastover? The nicest neighborhood the State of MS..

Jackson has it's crime, like most larger cities. It does have some bad area's, but it also has some nice areas.
Eastover, Leftover, Belhaven and Fondren are all great neighborhoods.
Fondren is hopping with new developments and Belhaven is coming along with the new Baptist development and Fortification..
Capital Street is being redone and you should see a resurgence downtown once it is completed. It's happening.
Crime is moving to the suburbs too, Madison, Ridgeland, and Rankin county are not immune and it gets worse every year.
Jackson is not that bad, I live here and I am proud to call it home and will do what I can to make the city a better place to work and live.
You can't just run away from crime, unless you build a compound in the country and put up razor wire..

Because that's available in a lot of places. It sucks, but one of the things Jackson should be doing is picking places to have an elevated police presence. Basically stake out areas and say: these areas of Jackson are just as safe and crime free as the suburbs. The problem is this is hard to do politically and also I'm not sure if Jackson even has enough money to do this while still maintaining a somewhat adequate presence in other parts of the city.
 

natchezdawg

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Ha.

Crime is not a good reason to flee..


Good point. Worst case scenario, you get a bullet to the head trying to stop some punk from stealing your iPhone, and you end up getting free room and board at Lakewood Memorial Park. Win, win.
 

fishwater99

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I would say the Coast is the only place in Mississippi that is somewhat comparable to Jackson and it's better. It's spread out, but it has a decent sized population, has better food and entertainment options between the different down town areas and casinos, and its schools are good enough that you can raise a family there without being rich. It also has a decent sized professional class, is fairly young for Mississippi, and has economic opportunities. The only issue is what will happen to it long term with the insurance issues. But even then, there's not a real city. It's almost like a bunch of suburbs formed next to each other without a city.

Tupelo, South Memphis, and Madison are all nice enough for young families, but they are not really offering the same thing as Jackson. Oxford and Starkville and Hattiesburg are also nice enough and better for a lot of people, but again, not really offering the same thing as Jackson. Jackson's competition is Birmingham, Memphis, New Orleans, and I guess Little Rock and Mobile. Jackson's problem is that it offers big city problems without big city amenities. No sense in bashing it, it's just the way it is. As several people have mentioned, it's still the best option in the state for many people (hence it being the biggest population center in the state). People in the surrounding areas should definitely be doing what they can to support and promote Jackson though, as Jackson turning into Little Detroit is not going to be good for anybody.

Good Post....

I just don't understand the hate for Jackson.. Bunch of racists I guess..
 

dawgstudent

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I think Mudbugs can't sell liquor b/c they are in Rankin County but not in the Flowood city limits.
 
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I got no problems with you pointing to racism as the cause of the ****** situation, but let's not act like those of us who aren't racist get to live a better town that those who are. I don't hate it, but I'm not going to act like it's something that it's not. You asked for a non-racist reason that Jackson sucks. There ain't no doubt that past and present attitudes got Jackson where it is. However, Jackson isn't a shitbox because a bunch of racist ******** think it's a shitbox. It's a shitbox for the 20 reasons I gave you, and you never responded.
 

horshack.sixpack

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Good Post....

I just don't understand the hate for Jackson.. Bunch of racists I guess..
I don't read racism into Jackson bashing. Bit of the chicken/egg deal but often I see people jump on Jackson after someone else tries to sunshine pump it. It might be OK but there isn't a lot of sunshine to pump. At a bare minimum it is safe to say that it's a free country and getting those who choose to live in one place to agree that they are wrong for not living in another is a tough chore...even in the Jackson area you can head north, south, east or west and find better public schools in all directions but everybody doesn't head the same direction...it's like they're excercising personal choice and preference or something***
 

KurtRambis4

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Of course he didn't

He can't respond, because there's no argument to be made. Well, that and he's just not very sharp.
 

Irondawg

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Madison doesn't have a great bar, I'll give you that and I'm really surprised no one has tried to put in something like the Bulldog. I guess it's teh demographic issue. The under 30 and unmarried population is pretty slim.

But I live off Highland Colony and I'm less than 10 minutes away from Grocery Stores, Cinemas, a crapload of decent food options and shopping. That plus the good public schools and I couldn't be happier with my decision to live here.
 

NCDawg.sixpack

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How is the convention center doing in Jackson? I remember Harvey Johnson, Ben Allen, and a bunch of people wanted it built so that Jackson could hold lots of conventions, etc. Also, what about the Farish Street project? Think a guy by the name of David Watkins, who I think was Ben Allen's buddy, put a lot of money into it.
 
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