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Maroon Eagle

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I know you played but this isn’t 1998, or hell even 2021. The landscape of college athletics has changed. We must change baseball isn’t and shouldn’t get the money investment and influence it does.

Bulldawg77 continues his master class on how to piss off Mississippi State fans.

Sometimes I wonder if he actually attended good ol’ MSU…

It’s long been obvious he’s a 17ing Amateur when it comes Giving Campaigns.

I’ve given you this advice before: Let the Professionals do their jobs and ST17U…

Otherwise, I might ask Charlie Winfield what can be done to create a Bulldawg77 True Maroon Baseball Fund…

I don’t give to NIL but I might give a very little dedicated to baseball only if only to give you a 17ing migraine…
 

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Bulldawg77 continues his master class on how to piss off Mississippi State fans.

Sometimes I wonder if he actually attended good ol’ MSU…

It’s long been obvious he’s a 17ing Amateur when it comes Giving Campaigns.

I’ve given you this advice before: Let the Professionals do their jobs and ST17U…

Otherwise, I might ask Charlie Winfield what can be done to create a Bulldawg17 True Maroon Baseball Fund…

I don’t give to NIL but I might give to baseball if only to give you a 17ing migraine…
As an active member of both Bulldog club and Bulldog Initiative as well as a season ticket holder for football and basketball I actually attend games and spend money in Starkville and I’m invested in MSU athletics an have been for over 35 years. I get it I touched a nerve with you and others but IDGAF. Why. Cause the truth hurts. Baseball is the equivalent of a club sport that we made into something that never should’ve been a relevant sport.
Flame all you want but resources that were going to baseball have been and will be coming to a screeching halt at universities that take Rev sports seriously.
 

Maroon Eagle

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As an active member of both Bulldog club and Bulldog Initiative as well as a season ticket holder for football and basketball I actually attend games and spend money in Starkville and I’m invested in MSU athletics an have been for over 35 years.

Ah. I get it now.

You’re a “Mississippi State” guy…

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It must hurt you to see that people with experience outside the university recognize and appreciate our treasures that you constantly shìt on.
 

L4Dawg

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No it couldn’t be earmarked for football. It wouldn’t be there. You’re b*tching about a break even sport. If we didn’t invest in it, we’d still have to spend money on it (or a replacement sport) but we’d lose the revenue it generates.
if it did put exist the athletic department would be in better overall shape financialy.
 

85Bears

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Ah. I get it now.

You’re a “Mississippi State” guy…

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It must hurt you to see that people with experience outside the university recognize and appreciate our treasures that you constantly shìt on.
If he’s a Univ employee then he’s awful at his job.
 

Maroon Eagle

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If he’s a Univ employee then he’s awful at his job.
That’s not necessarily the case if he’s in a niche but essential role.

Bulldawg77 might be a good IT guy for example— good with systems but not with people as he’s shown here many times…

I’d be surprised if he deals with the public a lot.
 

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That’s not necessarily the case if he’s in a niche but essential role.

Bulldawg77 might be a good IT guy for example— good with systems but not with people as he’s shown here many times…

I’d be surprised if he deals with the public a lot.
Hilarious. I Just did an events in Sarasota, San Antonio and flying to Nashville tomorrow. To interact with crowds and as you say “public” … But please continue…
 

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Y’all because we have an awesome stadium and support a sport you don’t want us to. Literally because you aren’t getting your way.

It’s hilarious. Keep it going please. I can’t wait to see if y’all’s irrelevant crying can get this thread to 10 pages.
 

Maroon Eagle

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Hilarious. I Just did an events in Sarasota, San Antonio and flying to Nashville tomorrow. To interact with crowds and as you say “public” … But please continue…
Stuffing your face with food at the Jewish festival in Sarasota isn’t the same as talking and communicating with people. **

Just goes to show that there are people who are True Maroon, and people consider folks like you and think…

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Stuffing your face with food at the Jewish festival in Sarasota isn’t the same as talking and communicating with people. **

Just goes to show that there are people who are True Maroon, and people consider folks like you and think…

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Excuse me? Nice religious overtone there. Have a good one
 

Maroon Eagle

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Excuse me? Nice religious overtone there. Have a good one
LOL. The first event that came up when I googled Sarasota February events.

I thought nothing of it because I’ve been to Beth Israel’s Bazaar here in Jackson and bought plates there, but if religion and culture makes you uncomfortable, you do you…

For what it’s worth if you’re not willing to make the effort to understand people, you’re never going to be a good enough communicator…
 

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Men’s basketball lost $2MM last year & women’s basketball lost $4MM. Yet you’re complaining about a program that generates revenue to cover at least 80-90% of its expenses. You cut those expenses & that revenue will dry up so you won’t be any better off.
Nice pivoting to basketball, but you’re still dodging the math. And I would say the same about them. You’re acting like baseball’s revenue is pure profit that would evaporate without the program. It’s not- It’s gross revenue that doesn’t cover cost- the net is negative. That means it still loses and that loss is real money coming out of the department’s pocket that could year after year build and gain momentum for football. Keep pretending whatever little revenue to cover whatever percentage makes it a smart investment. I’ll keep pointing out that losing real money year after year while football limps along is bad business- and bad for everyone.
 
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Nice pivoting to basketball, but you’re still dodging the math. And I would say the same about them. You’re acting like baseball’s revenue is pure profit that would evaporate without the program. It’s not- It’s gross revenue that doesn’t cover cost- the net is negative. That means it still loses and that loss is real money coming out of the department’s pocket that could year after year build and gain momentum for football. Keep pretending whatever little revenue to cover whatever percentage makes it a smart investment. I’ll keep pointing out that losing real money year after year while football limps along is bad business- and bad for everyone.

Bad for everyone? I don't feel bad at all, so I don't think that's true.

But I can see that it's bad for you.
 

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Nice pivoting to basketball, but you’re still dodging the math. And I would say the same about them. You’re acting like baseball’s revenue is pure profit that would evaporate without the program. It’s not- It’s gross revenue that doesn’t cover cost- the net is negative. That means it still loses and that loss is real money coming out of the department’s pocket that could year after year build and gain momentum for football. Keep pretending whatever little revenue to cover whatever percentage makes it a smart investment. I’ll keep pointing out that losing real money year after year while football limps along is bad business- and bad for everyone.
Ok. Let’s say baseball does lose $1MM per year as you say. Even though there’s some dispute that this may include stadium debt payments that aren’t an expense. What other SEC baseball teams lose less than that or make money? What teams nationally? If we cut baseball, how do you propose to somehow keep the revenue it generates? Bottom line is we are required by NCAA & SEC to sponsor a certain number of sports. And you’re b*itching about the 2nd or 3rd most profitable sport on campus. Don’t be an idiot.
 

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Only because John Cohen built the stadium. That stadium pays off in less than 15 years, but that's still a loss and one that hits us at the worst possible time. Otherwise, baseball makes money every single season.
Even if the stadium “pays for itself” over 15 years, which is generous accounting, the program still loses $1–3 million every single season. You’re romanticizing a break even fantasy. The numbers don’t lie- baseball costs more than it brings in. Football subsidizes it. I’m saying stop pouring extra NIL and resources and emphasis into a sport that can’t even break even on its own , and put it where it actually multiplies, which IS football.
 

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Maroon13 also responded to my comment- “
Well, we are in the sec. We will have a baseball program. So you can pull money from baseball to allocate to football. Then you'll have a $5m loss for baseball, a sorry baseball program and still have a sorry football program.
There are just to many fundamental issues to over come for State to be Alabama in football.”

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I’m bored. Y’all make no sense. I’m turning you over to grok.
 

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Nice pivoting to basketball, but you’re still dodging the math. And I would say the same about them. You’re acting like baseball’s revenue is pure profit that would evaporate without the program. It’s not- It’s gross revenue that doesn’t cover cost- the net is negative. That means it still loses and that loss is real money coming out of the department’s pocket that could year after year build and gain momentum for football. Keep pretending whatever little revenue to cover whatever percentage makes it a smart investment. I’ll keep pointing out that losing real money year after year while football limps along is bad business- and bad for everyone.
College sports are bad business because they lose money year after year. Thus give more money to Lebby now and disregard the sports I'm not interested in. I suspect that if baseball made money, you'd find another reason to dismiss it.
 
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Maroon Eagle

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Bottom line is we are required by NCAA & SEC to sponsor a certain number of sports. And you’re b*itching about the 2nd or 3rd most profitable sport on campus. Don’t be an idiot.

Exactly

I’m saying stop pouring extra NIL and resources and emphasis into a sport that can’t even break even on its own , and put it where it actually multiplies, which IS football.

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Maroon13 also responded to my comment- “
Well, we are in the sec. We will have a baseball program. So you can pull money from baseball to allocate to football. Then you'll have a $5m loss for baseball, a sorry baseball program and still have a sorry football program.
There are just to many fundamental issues to over come for State to be Alabama in football.”

grok respond back and set him straight

I’m bored. Y’all make no sense. I’m turning you over to grok.
Grok said, “Alabama doesn’t win everywhere by accident — they prioritize football disproportionately because it funds the empire.”

Even some random AI knows we are operating in bad buisness principles, and wondering why we always suck or aren’t consistently good or great at things. It’s because for many years we have over prioritized the baseball program here at State- and that has undermined everything else athletically.
 

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An appeal to the greatest SEC program with two of the greatest ever head coaches in college football, a school with 15 more Natty's than the next closest SEC school. Way to go.

We don't always suck in football and we recently didn't suck under Leach while funding baseball. What's your next flawed argument gonna be?
 

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Grok said, “Alabama doesn’t win everywhere by accident — they prioritize football disproportionately because it funds the empire.”
I don't give a damn what some App says. My common sense tells me from 40 years of observation, Mississippi State for many fundamental reasons, doesn't have the resources Alabama does. Throw all the baseball money at football, won't move the needle. State football had a ceiling of 8-9 wins in the old days of college football. With nil, and 9 sec games, maybe 6-7 is your ceiling.
 

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An appeal to the greatest SEC program with two of the greatest ever head coaches in college football, a school with 15 more Natty's than the next closest SEC school. Way to go.

We don't always suck in football and we recently didn't suck under Leach while funding baseball. What's your next flawed argument gonna be?

I don't give a damn what some App says. My common sense tells me from 40 years of observation, Mississippi State for many fundamental reasons, doesn't have the resources Alabama does. Throw all the baseball money at football, won't move the needle. State football had a ceiling of 8-9 wins in the old days of college football. With nil, and 9 sec games, maybe 6-7 is your ceiling.
We are not Alabama. But we could be better than we are thats for sure- and consistently better if we stopped treating football like a side dish and baseball like the main course. One reason Alabama is Alabama is because they never overfunded a money losing side sport at the expense of football. They pour resources into football first, relentlessly, because they know it’s the revenue engine for literally everything. Of course we don’t have Alabama’s resources and years of momentum- That’s exactly why we can’t afford to keep bleeding millions a year on baseball- plus millions more in NIL, while football, the one program that actually generates revenue, gets shortchanged and stays mediocre at best. Throwing baseball money at football would most certainly move the needle. Maybe not overnight, but year after year it would no question.
There wuold be more NIL for football players which would be better portal talent- Better facilities- Better staff assistants coaches ect. More wins and more wins over time means more TV money, more donors, more ticket sales, more momentum- which lifts every sport, including your little baseball team and all the women’s BS and everything else at the school. This has been our overall problem for many years.
 
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We are not Alabama. But we could be better than we are thats for sure- and consistently better if we stopped treating football like a side dish and baseball like the main course. One reason Alabama is Alabama is because they never overfunded a money losing side sport at the expense of football. They pour resources into football first, relentlessly, because they know it’s the revenue engine for literally everything. Of course we don’t have Alabama’s resources and years of momentum- That’s exactly why we can’t afford to keep bleeding millions a year on baseball- plus millions more in NIL, while football, the one program that actually generates revenue, gets shortchanged and stays mediocre at best. Throwing baseball money at football would most certainly move the needle. Maybe not overnight, but year after year it would no question.
There wuold be more NIL for football players which would be better portal talent- Better facilities- Better staff assistants coaches ect. More wins and more wins over time means more TV money, more donors, more ticket sales, more momentum- which lifts every sport, including your little baseball team and all the women’s BS and everything else at the school. This has been our overall problem for many years.
no , throwing baseball money at
Football will not move the needle. Lebby and Arnett will go 4-8/5-7 with that added chump change
 

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O’Connor didn’t leave Virginia because he hated it. He left because Virginia got smart with their money and started prioritizing football. He left and came to State because we are still dumb enough to keep overfunding baseball to the detriment of football. We might be the last place in the country still stupidly treating baseball like it’s the flagship sport. O’Conner came here because we’re still dumb enough to keep doing what Virginia wisely stopped doing.
 

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no , throwing baseball money at
Football will not move the needle. Lebby and Arnett will go 4-8/5-7 with that added chump change
3 million annual deficits plus millions more in NIL every year- you’re talking $4–7 million per year. That is not “chump change”. If you think that is meaningless year after year, you aren’t being honest- or you are delusional. I’m going with the former, you’re smarter than that brother.
 
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3 million annual deficits plus millions more in NIL every year- you’re talking $4–7 million per year. That is not “chump change”. If you think that is meaningless year after year, you aren’t being honest- or you are delusional. I’m going with the former, you’re smarter than that brother.

Will Rogers disapproves of your math.
 
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Did baseball haters start this thread? The abyss is baseball fans. Enjoy it. Sincerely. I hope you and your family have a great time. You will occupy just as much of my mental energy as baseball does, which is zero.

Even if the stadium “pays for itself” over 15 years, which is generous accounting, the program still loses $1–3 million every single season. You’re romanticizing a break even fantasy. The numbers don’t lie- baseball costs more than it brings in. Football subsidizes it. I’m saying stop pouring extra NIL and resources and emphasis into a sport that can’t even break even on its own , and put it where it actually multiplies, which IS football.
What numbers? You are making claims that you need to back up with actual data.
 
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O’Connor didn’t leave Virginia because he hated it. He left because Virginia got smart with their money and started prioritizing football. He left and came to State because we are still dumb enough to keep overfunding baseball to the detriment of football. We might be the last place in the country still stupidly treating baseball like it’s the flagship sport. O’Conner came here because we’re still dumb enough to keep doing what Virginia wisely stopped doing.
Every school in the SEC is putting more money into baseball. You don't think Ole Miss and LSU prioritize it? Florida? South Carolina? Tennessee?
 

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What about softball and other sports? Nice new facilities and field. It is insanity to think you should dump on every other program and put all your eggs in the football basket. What happens if you still don't win SEC Championships in football and end up 7-5 while every other program comes in last place? We have fans of all the sports that depend on funding to be competitive. You are saying "to h*ll with them I want my sport to win".
 

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What numbers? You are making claims that you need to back up with actual data.
Go research Mississippi State’s EADA filings- it will show revenue, expenses, deficit ect- that is public. And there is some other paywall stuff. Also there are articles from a few sites including the clarion ledger that has discussed those numbers. If you’ve got different numbers showing baseball profits or breaks even, drop them. Otherwise, the deficit’s real, the subsidy’s real, and the opportunity cost to football is real.
 

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Every school in the SEC is putting more money into baseball. You don't think Ole Miss and LSU prioritize it? Florida? South Carolina? Tennessee?
Those schools can afford it because their football programs are cash machines. We can’t- our football revenue is lower, so for every million we sink into baseball is a million not going to football portal targets, coordinators, or facilities ect that could push us from 5-7 to consistently 8–4 and better. You’re defending over investing in a money losing sport while their football limps and suffers because of it. That’s not “everybody does it.”
 

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It doesn't lose money if not for the stadium.
The majority of SEC teams make money on baseball. College baseball is just going to get better and better as more and more players go to college rather than the minor leagues due to NIL and schools being able to fully fund baseball now. No, it will never be a big thing for Northern schools primarily due to weather just like ice hockey will never be a big thing down here. But its a bit more than a niche sport in the SEC, ACC and Big 12 though.
 
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What about softball and other sports? Nice new facilities and field. It is insanity to think you should dump on every other program and put all your eggs in the football basket. What happens if you still don't win SEC Championships in football and end up 7-5 while every other program comes in last place? We have fans of all the sports that depend on funding to be competitive. You are saying "to h*ll with them I want my sport to win".
I’m not saying to hell with any other sports at all. I’m saying prioritize the engine that funds literally everything else. Football isn’t just “my sport.” It’s the only sport at State that consistently generates net revenue. It’s the reason the athletic department can even afford all that nice crap for the other sports. When football wins like even 8–4, 9–3 ect- revenue spikes, more donors get excited, recruiting improves, university brand rises- higher enrollment, more state funding, more pride ect.
Spreading the money evenly doesn’t keep everyone competitive. That’s how you end up with mediocrity across the board.
The Alabamas, the Georgias, the LSUs, ect don’t win everywhere by accident. They disproportionately invest in football first- because it creates a rising tide that lifts all boats. I’m saying we have to lift the tide first. We have always tried to do it all backwards.
 

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The majority of SEC teams make money on baseball. College baseball is just going to get better and better as more and more players go to college rather than the minor leagues due to NIL and schools being able to fully fund baseball now. No, it will never be a big thing for Northern schools primarily due to weather just like ice hockey will never be a big thing down here. But its a bit more than a niche sport in the SEC, ACC and Big 12 though.
That’s flat out wrong. Even the blue bloods lose money on baseball. LSU still runs a $2–4M in deficits every year. And college baseball is not going to get better and better in regards to deficits. NIL may help attract talent but that creates higher payroll and even bigger expenses. College baseball will always remain a sport that loses money and requires subsidies.
 

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Every school in the SEC is putting more money into baseball. You don't think Ole Miss and LSU prioritize it? Florida? South Carolina? Tennessee?
No OM isnt any longer since Rev share was passed
As of July 2025, LSU is managing a $20.5 million annual revenue-sharing cap for athletes, with 75% going to football, 15% to men's basketball, 5% to women's basketball, and the remaining 5% divided among other sports, including baseball.
 
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