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Bulldawg77

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The majority of SEC teams make money on baseball. College baseball is just going to get better and better as more and more players go to college rather than the minor leagues due to NIL and schools being able to fully fund baseball now. No, it will never be a big thing for Northern schools primarily due to weather just like ice hockey will never be a big thing down here. But its a bit more than a niche sport in the SEC, ACC and Big 12 though.
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In baseball, LSU baseball lost $921,607 as it won the national championship for the second time in coach Jay Johnson’s four seasons. That was less than the year before, when it lost $1.9 million, but operating the team has become more expensive than it used to be.
 

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No OM isnt any longer since Rev share was passed
As of July 2025, LSU is managing a $20.5 million annual revenue-sharing cap for athletes, with 75% going to football, 15% to men's basketball, 5% to women's basketball, and the remaining 5% divided among other sports, including baseball.
Ole Miss was smart- and went all in on football- directed more resources into the portal, facilities upgrades, top coordinators, NIL for football players- and look at the results.
Our overall athletic revenue is less than theirs as if late- due to less football success than them. Even still our revenue percentages look a lot different- as we are still acting like baseball is co equal with football. And this is why they have and are passing us by.
 

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Ole Miss was smart- and went all in on football- directed more resources into the portal, facilities upgrades, top coordinators, NIL for football players- and look at the results.
Our overall athletic revenue is less than theirs as if late- due to less football success than them. Even still our revenue percentages look a lot different- as we are still acting like baseball is co equal with football. And this is why they have and are passing us by.

Honestly man, just give it a 17'n rest. You're not swaying anybody (shocking for an internet debate) and we're all real 17'n clear where you stand.
 
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There’s no debate. Just a known troll doing his thing.
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There’s no debate. Just a known troll doing his thing.
You’re right there’s no debate on your end- just emotional fanboyism. When football season rolls around and we’re not good again, don’t come on here trolling and bitching about “why can’t we compete” or “we need more help in the portal” and all that BS. Don’t ***** about the results when youre for the priorities that got us there. Don’t do your thing.
 

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You’re right there’s no debate on your end- just emotional fanboyism. When football season rolls around and we’re not good again, don’t come on here trolling and bitching about “why can’t we compete” or “we need more help in the portal” and all that BS. Don’t ***** about the results when youre for the priorities that got us there. Don’t do your thing.
Ok. What’s your proposal? Cut baseball? You’re not cutting expenses without losing revenue. At most you might save $1MM. Wouldn’t make a bit of difference to our football situation. Our problems there are at least as much incompetence & lack of vision as money. And then we’d suck at all 3 major sports. I’m looking forward to your posts complaining about women’s basketball.
 
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Does Nebraska make money on their volleyball? They go nuts over volleyball like State does about baseball.
 

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Ok. What’s your proposal? Cut baseball? You’re not cutting expenses without losing revenue. At most you might save $1MM. Wouldn’t make a bit of difference to our football situation. Our problems there are at least as much incompetence & lack of vision as money. And then we’d suck at all 3 major sports. I’m looking forward to your posts complaining about women’s basketball.
Exactly. It’s a recipe to
Suck at everything
 

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You’re right there’s no debate on your end- just emotional fanboyism. When football season rolls around and we’re not good again, don’t come on here trolling and bitching about “why can’t we compete” or “we need more help in the portal” and all that BS. Don’t ***** about the results when youre for the priorities that got us there. Don’t do your thing.
What are you going to do if we win 6 or 7?
 
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Regardless, the Lion King didn't punish the Fox because he said the grass was green and the Donkey said it was blue. He was obviously right about the grass. He punished him because he argued with an idiot.
 
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Ok. What’s your proposal? Cut baseball? You’re not cutting expenses without losing revenue. At most you might save $1MM. Wouldn’t make a bit of difference to our football situation. Our problems there are at least as much incompetence & lack of vision as money. And then we’d suck at all 3 major sports. I’m looking forward to your posts complaining about women’s basketball.
FY 2023:

2.2 million revenue
5.3 expenses
👇🏻
3.1 net deficit

That’s real money that could go straight to football- portal targets, coordinators, facilities, staff ect year after year every year. That’s the difference between 5-7 and 8–4/9–3 or better on consistent basis. Stop trolling and lowballing the savings to protect the passion project.

edited to add- This does not even include the additional 2-3 million saved in NIL.
 
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FY 2023:

2.2 million revenue
5.3 expenses
👇🏻
3.1 net deficit

That’s real money that could go straight to football- portal targets, coordinators, facilities, staff ect year after year every year. That’s the difference between 5-7 and 8–4/9–3 or better on consistent basis. Stop trolling and lowballing the savings to protect the passion project.

edited to add- This does not even include the additional 2-3 million saved in NIL.
If you did that you would lose support for football too. There’s plenty of people who give to both. Would you want to piss off the multi sport donors?
 
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If you did that you would lose support for football too. There’s plenty of people who give to both. Would you want to piss off the multi sport donors?
You’re fear mongering. Multi sport donors already exist and they already give to both right now. Capping baseball NIL or cutting its over spend doesn’t mean “we hate baseball and we’re killing it” or whatever fear mongering you’re eluding too. It means we’re making smart choices with limited dollars so football, the sport that funds EVERYTHING , can actually compete. Most real boosters understand that. The ones who don’t?- then they’re baseball fans first, Mississippi State fans second- Let them keep their baseball only checks. If a donor says “I’m pulling my football money because you capped baseball NIL,” then they were never really giving to Mississippi State- they were giving to their favorite sport. Real multi sport donors, the ones who love Mississippi State, will understand- Fund the engine first. Let football win so there’s more money for EVERYTHING. A better football program = more wins = more revenue = even more donors = more money for every sport, including baseball. People like you and others in this thread is why football stays mediocre, and the whole department is below average at best. It’s backwards thinking.
 
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You’re fear mongering. Multi sport donors already exist and they already give to both right now. Capping baseball NIL or cutting its over spend doesn’t mean “we hate baseball and we’re killing it” or whatever fear mongering you’re eluding too. It means we’re making smart choices with limited dollars so football, the sport that funds EVERYTHING , can actually compete. Most real boosters understand that. The ones who don’t?- then they’re baseball fans first, Mississippi State fans second- Let them keep their baseball only checks. If a donor says “I’m pulling my football money because you capped baseball NIL,” then they were never really giving to Mississippi State- they were giving to their favorite sport. Real multi sport donors, the ones who love Mississippi State, will understand- Fund the engine first. Let football win so there’s more money for EVERYTHING. A better football program = more wins = more revenue = even more donors = more money for every sport, including baseball. People like you and others in this thread is why football stays mediocre, and the whole department is below average at best. It’s backwards thinking.
People like me? You know nothing about me.

And I’m no baseball apologist by any stretch but what you’re suggesting really isn’t going to move the needle that much either way.
 
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People like me? You know nothing about me.

And I’m no baseball apologist by any stretch but what you’re suggesting really isn’t going to move the needle that much either way.
Baseball’s around 3 million annual deficit + close to 3 million NIL = close to 6 million tied up every year in a sport that loses money, even when it wins big. Redirect even half of that (3 million) consistently to football every year would without question move the needle. You’re acting like 3 million extra per year is pocket lint. That’s what I mean by people like you- yes you- I may not know you but I know what you’ve been saying here- and you’re just like those who’s already decided the math doesn’t matter because feelings and emotions do.
 

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I'm not emotional. Y'all are emotional which is why I'll never learn and just keep posting the same unconvincing horseshite over and over. 3-0 to start the season. Hell yeah.
 

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No OM isnt any longer since Rev share was passed
As of July 2025, LSU is managing a $20.5 million annual revenue-sharing cap for athletes, with 75% going to football, 15% to men's basketball, 5% to women's basketball, and the remaining 5% divided among other sports, including baseball.
That makes sense, given the number of scholarships each sport receives, though.
105 for football, 30 for basketball (Men's and Women's), and 11.7 for baseball. That equates to 71.4%, 20.4%, and 8.1% of revenue share, respectively.

It's not an exact match, but it's pretty close. I can also pretty much guarantee that LSU and Ole Miss' NIL is strong in baseball, regardless of what the schools themselves are spending on it.
 

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No. Baseball loses money at State. Even in its best years the baseball program runs annual deficits of $1–3 million. Those “13,000 at opening day” and “full stadium for alumni game” are nice- but even all that doesn’t come close to covering the full cost. It is zero sum for the athletic department’s budget. No we’re not Alabama- they win everywhere because they invest disproportionately in football, which funds the empire. Baseball’s national attention is nice, not near as many people care as you think- but and football’s national attention and revenue is necessary- Alabama understands that. We don’t.
The fact that every one of your hundreds of posts on this topic end with the premise that we could ever compete consistently annually with the likes of Bama, UGa, LSU, Ohio State, etc. lets me know you're not that into being realistic. You just like football better than baseball. Why don't you just say that?

There is no world in which we can ever dig up enough alumni money to compete with the top tier in football consistently. Stop pretending like we can. If we killed baseball AND basketball AND all the womens' sports, we wouldn't have as much money to throw at it to make us even with the real big boys year in and year out. The population and demographics in this state cast that die a long time ago.

Can we be consistently a 6-8 win team, then pop up once every 4-5 years to win 10 and compete? Absolutely, we have done it and can do it again. We need a good coach who can recruit to Starkville then gameplan and coach them up. Mullen did it. Sherrill did it (for a while). The jury is still out whether we have that coach now. But we can do that now, without killing our other sports where we actually can compete with anyone.
 

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The fact that every one of your hundreds of posts on this topic end with the premise that we could ever compete consistently annually with the likes of Bama, UGa, LSU, Ohio State, etc. lets me know you're not that into being realistic. You just like football better than baseball. Why don't you just say that?

There is no world in which we can ever dig up enough alumni money to compete with the top tier in football consistently. Stop pretending like we can. If we killed baseball AND basketball AND all the womens' sports, we wouldn't have as much money to throw at it to make us even with the real big boys year in and year out. The population and demographics in this state cast that die a long time ago.

Can we be consistently a 6-8 win team, then pop up once every 4-5 years to win 10 and compete? Absolutely, we have done it and can do it again. We need a good coach who can recruit to Starkville then gameplan and coach them up. Mullen did it. Sherrill did it (for a while). The jury is still out whether we have that coach now. But we can do that now, without killing our other sports where we actually can compete with anyone.
You wrote all that out of emotions without engaging in the actual math.

Btw, the Disc Golf championship has close to the same viewership numbers as the CWS. In other words, throwing frisbees in the woods is about as popular as college baseball.
 

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You wrote all that out of emotions without engaging in the actual math.

Btw, the Disc Golf championship has close to the same viewership numbers as the CWS. In other words, throwing frisbees in the woods is about as popular as college baseball.

AI say...

College disc golf is primarily broadcast through YouTube, particularly via channels like Ace Run Pro and Ultiworld, featuring high-stakes events like the 2025 College Disc Golf National Championships in Rock Hill, SC.
 

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You wrote all that out of emotions without engaging in the actual math.

Btw, the Disc Golf championship has close to the same viewership numbers as the CWS. In other words, throwing frisbees in the woods is about as popular as college baseball.
Throwing frisbees in the woods does sound pretty cool. Maybe we should divert a little money from football to that.
 

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It’s perfectly fine to enjoy baseball but it’s a zero Rev sport. It does zero for us as it’s not part of the sec Rev TV deal. Schools are slowing down investment in the sport as well. We have far too long invested in non rev sports and not invested in rev sports. I hope our fan base sees this and we can see that baseball is the equivalent of most others Olympic sports.
 
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The fact that every one of your hundreds of posts on this topic end with the premise that we could ever compete consistently annually with the likes of Bama, UGa, LSU, Ohio State, etc. lets me know you're not that into being realistic. You just like football better than baseball. Why don't you just say that?

There is no world in which we can ever dig up enough alumni money to compete with the top tier in football consistently. Stop pretending like we can. If we killed baseball AND basketball AND all the womens' sports, we wouldn't have as much money to throw at it to make us even with the real big boys year in and year out. The population and demographics in this state cast that die a long time ago.

Can we be consistently a 6-8 win team, then pop up once every 4-5 years to win 10 and compete? Absolutely, we have done it and can do it again. We need a good coach who can recruit to Starkville then gameplan and coach them up. Mullen did it. Sherrill did it (for a while). The jury is still out whether we have that coach now. But we can do that now, without killing our other sports where we actually can compete with anyone.
Leach did it, but 9-4 wasn’t good enough so we brought in the heavy hitters Arnett and Lebby
 
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O’Connor didn’t leave Virginia because he hated it. He left because Virginia got smart with their money and started prioritizing football. He left and came to State because we are still dumb enough to keep overfunding baseball to the detriment of football. We might be the last place in the country still stupidly treating baseball like it’s the flagship sport. O’Conner came here because we’re still dumb enough to keep doing what Virginia wisely stopped doing.
You wrote all that out of emotions without engaging in the actual math.
We're all quite aware of the math. You keep saying this like we don't already know it, and have accepted it. So please stop repeating that, it does not help your point.

You also don't seem to want to accept that any money lost in baseball is less than the other sports (sans football and men's basketball). So, even if you wanted to carry out your plan, there's lower hanging fruit elsewhere. Our baseball atmosphere is one of our campus' only drawing cards, when it comes to student recruiting and everything else. Rurality, cowbells, and the Left Field Lounge.....that's what we got. That's all we got. We have to lean into that.

Next point - there is something fundamentally wrong with our football culture, and this is what you miss. To-date, dumping NIL into football has been a colossal waste of money except for 2022. That's because we had a good coach. Name me one time we have truly been aligned from president down to football coach to fans......maybe 2009? And that's simply because we were at rock bottom and actually got a little lucky with hires. And that fell apart quickly because we had no process to keep it in place. Until we do, it's a futile effort - which is what you're seeing right now. Make no mistake....Selmon wants to do exactly as you say.....and how's that working out for us? We have 3 years of track record now doing it your way.

Thank the Lord our big boosters did what was necessary here, essentially on their own. They, and all of us, are quite aware of O'Connor's story and why he came here.

At the end of the day, good times in football will eventually come again. Who knows when, I mean I'm pretty sure we'd have people bltching had we hired Cignetti two years ago. But while we're waiting, baseball will keep us afloat and attract thousands of people to our campus in the meantime. Those crowds this weekend proved that you, and others, are wrong. True investing involves more than straight line math.
 

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The Nebraska volleyball comparison is good. They spent $7 million on volleyball and brought in $3.2 million - they are losing $4 million a year.

You have to have these successful niche sports. Tennessee has women's basketball. Alabama and Georgia have gymnastics. As other have said, if we dropped baseball, and put everything toward football - it would not get us one more SEC win.

The football problem isn't revenue-based, its we have a horrible coaching staff top to bottom. Arnett is the best coach on our staff.

You want Mississippi State to win in football? Its not about spending. Its about getting the right coaching staff. A few of us mentioned Cignetti when we hired Lebby and were laughed off the board. There was a time where flashy hires and flashy offenses mattered - that is gone. Its about managing a roster and the portal now.

And if college football keeps going toward super conferences, none of this is going to matter.
 

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You wrote all that out of emotions without engaging in the actual math.

Btw, the Disc Golf championship has close to the same viewership numbers as the CWS. In other words, throwing frisbees in the woods is about as popular as college baseball.
How long do you think you would keep your job if you decided to pinch the baseball program to give Lebby another $5M to whiff on recruits/transfers/assistant coaches with?

There's a lot more going on with football that needing a few extra dollars. And if it were, you'd raise it by shaking hands and pleading, not by shutting down or pinching a program with history and that brings joy to many fans.
 

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Does Nebraska make money on their volleyball? They go nuts over volleyball like State does about baseball.
That kind of proves his point. Almost nobody outside of Nebraska knows or cares that they go nuts over volleyball. Are they any good at it? I certainly don't know. Baseball has been used as a salve by MSU for a LONG time. We may suck at the sports that really matter but at least we have baseball. The thing is, our baseball program hasn't been as good as we like to think. We aren't really, and never have been, a top tier program. We are, with the exception of that one season, kind of like Virginia Tech in football. We CARE about it though so that's all that matters.
 
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That kind of proves his point. Almost nobody outside of Nebraska knows or cares that they go nuts over volleyball. Are they any good at it? I certainly don't know. Baseball has been used as a salve by MSU for a LONG time. We may suck at the sports that really matter but at least we have baseball. The thing is, our baseball program hasn't been as good as we like to think. We aren't really, and never have been, a top tier program. We, with the exception of that one season kind of like Virginia Tech in football. We CARE about it though so that's all that matters.
All you nimrods keep talking about what other people care about. So sad that you are so caught up in the opinions of others. A lot of Mississippians share that gene, though.

But fact is, many people across the country actually do recognize MSU baseball. To your chagrin, for some reason.
 
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That kind of proves his point. Almost nobody outside of Nebraska knows or cares that they go nuts over volleyball. Are they any good at it? I certainly don't know. Baseball has been used as a salve by MSU for a LONG time. We may suck at the sports that really matter but at least we have baseball. The thing is, our baseball program hasn't been as good as we like to think. We aren't really, and never have been, a top tier program. We are, with the exception of that one season, kind of like Virginia Tech in football. We CARE about it though so that's all that matters.
They have a long successful history like State has in baseball. It’s very comparable

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How long do you think you would keep your job if you decided to pinch the baseball program to give Lebby another $5M to whiff on recruits/transfers/assistant coaches with?

There's a lot more going on with football that needing a few extra dollars. And if it were, you'd raise it by shaking hands and pleading, not by shutting down or pinching a program with history and that brings joy to many fans.
Ultimately the athletic department goes as the football program goes. We have people who love baseball but the FACT is there aren't enough of them to carry the athletic department like football does. Also, baseball counts for literally nothing in the conference realignment and TV sweepstakes. That is basically ALL about football. If we get bumped out of the SEC because of football that is going to take that luxury baseball program down several notches as well because it can't pay its own bills.
 
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All you nimrods keep talking about what other people care about. So sad that you are so caught up in the opinions of others. A lot of Mississippians share that gene, though.

But fact is, many people across the country actually do recognize MSU baseball. To your chagrin, for some reason.
Actually not many people outside of MSU notice if we win at baseball. We got far more recognition for beating UCONN in women's basketball than we did for winning the CWS. I'm not caught up in the opinions of others, I'm interested in seeing MSU do well across the board, and especially in the two big national sports. The emphasis we place on baseball is a big detriment to that.
 

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Actually not many people outside of MSU notice if we win at baseball.
Haha, nice try. That's not what I said.

I said "people across the country actually do recognize MSU baseball". Hell most average folks think we are more like LSU as far as winning, because our spectacle of it is such a big deal. Only knowledgeable baseball fans (and really MSU fans) know that our history is not nearly as good as people think.

Ultimately the athletic department goes as the football program goes. We have people who love baseball but the FACT is there aren't enough of them to carry the athletic department like football does. Also, baseball counts for literally nothing in the conference realignment and TV sweepstakes. That is basically ALL about football. If we get bumped out of the SEC because of football that is going to take that luxury baseball program down several notches as well because it can't pay its own bills.
We've sucked in football for 100 years and we're still here. SEC isn't going anywhere and neither are we.

This is a non-existent problem. If you fools want a better football program, then talk to Keenum and Selmon and tell them to get their shlt together, and lay out a plan for what we want our football program to be.
 

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We're all quite aware of the math. You keep saying this like we don't already know it, and have accepted it. So please stop repeating that, it does not help your point.

You also don't seem to want to accept that any money lost in baseball is less than the other sports (sans football and men's basketball). So, even if you wanted to carry out your plan, there's lower hanging fruit elsewhere. Our baseball atmosphere is one of our campus' only drawing cards, when it comes to student recruiting and everything else. Rurality, cowbells, and the Left Field Lounge.....that's what we got. That's all we got. We have to lean into that.

Next point - there is something fundamentally wrong with our football culture, and this is what you miss. To-date, dumping NIL into football has been a colossal waste of money except for 2022. That's because we had a good coach. Name me one time we have truly been aligned from president down to football coach to fans......maybe 2009? And that's simply because we were at rock bottom and actually got a little lucky with hires. And that fell apart quickly because we had no process to keep it in place. Until we do, it's a futile effort - which is what you're seeing right now. Make no mistake....Selmon wants to do exactly as you say.....and how's that working out for us? We have 3 years of track record now doing it your way.

Thank the Lord our big boosters did what was necessary here, essentially on their own. They, and all of us, are quite aware of O'Connor's story and why he came here.

At the end of the day, good times in football will eventually come again. Who knows when, I mean I'm pretty sure we'd have people bltching had we hired Cignetti two years ago. But while we're waiting, baseball will keep us afloat and attract thousands of people to our campus in the meantime. Those crowds this weekend proved that you, and others, are wrong. True investing involves more than straight line math.
There is “no lower hanging fruit”- Baseball loses more than men’s basketball and almost as much as women’s basketball annually- yet gets it gets comparable or higher NIL than our men’s basketball now. It IS the lowest hanging fruit we have.

True investing starts with math. Passion doesn’t change the fact that baseball still loses money- even with the crowds this weekend you mentioned. Revenue doesn’t cover expenses.Deficit still exists. And our football program still over subsidizes it, and suffers for that.
 
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