No way in hell we go back to work April 1. There were 8,000 new cases in the US in the last 24 hrs. That number continues to climb. We will be lucky to get back to “normal” by May 1.
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May 1st is what I am thinking...at least that we are getting back to some level of normalcy, albeit cautiously I am sure.
My hope is life as we knew it is mostly back by June 1st.
No way in hell the US isn't permanently damaged if we stay completely shut down until May 1st. America goes back to work in April.
I'd almost guarantee we have a partial easing of the SIP orders to allow those considered less vulnerable (under 50 and no comorbidities) to return to work between 4/1 and 4/15.
I have seen several stories about people who are younger (below 50) who have succumbed to the disease. One had asthma/bronchitis when younger but had "grown out of it." Another had been tested but had not yet received her test back, was SIP, was well enough to walk around the block with her husband and dog the day before, but on Friday collapsed in her kitchen and died. Her husband, though, was sure it was COVID-19, and that's what the media reported.
So, one who had a comorbidity relating to his lungs, and another unconfirmed (but hubby insists!). Deaths among those less than 50 are by all accounts rare, but the media chooses to highlight and focus on the rare instances. Does the media wish to provide accurate information about this virus, or sensationalize it to scare the hell out of everyone?
I have seen several stories about people who are younger (below 50) who have succumbed to the disease. One had asthma/bronchitis when younger but had "grown out of it." Another had been tested but had not yet received her test back, was SIP, was well enough to walk around the block with her husband and dog the day before, but on Friday collapsed in her kitchen and died. Her husband, though, was sure it was COVID-19, and that's what the media reported.
So, one who had a comorbidity relating to his lungs, and another unconfirmed (but hubby insists!). Deaths among those less than 50 are by all accounts rare, but the media chooses to highlight and focus on the rare instances. Does the media wish to provide accurate information about this virus, or sensationalize it to scare the hell out of everyone?
Uh, duh they want to scare the hell out of everyone.
I won't watch the regular news networks (local Cinci, CNN. MsNBC, Fox) when life is normal, not around my kids.
Guns/Murder/Rape/Molestation/Tornados/Muggings, etc etc etc...
For my money the best "news" network is Spectrum.
They just report news, not an issue of "Busted"
If you read the history of the Spanish flu the initial strain that spring was relatively mild. However it mutated and changed and by fall it was killing people within hours to a few days of onset.
Many blame the widespread death toll due to many nations instituted media/news blackouts that kept their public’s from knowing the full extent of the outbreak. They ignored it and went on, business as usual. Those nations in the end had the highest mortality rates.
Nope.
Not what I implied at all.
You can pull a snippet out and say, "sounds like", but it's in no way what I am promoting.
In fact, I am lauding the fact that there are free market solutions to this.
You asked "what should we treat them with?"
Are you implying that in your hospital you don't treat patients with this virus because there is no "magic wand"?
What do you do for the people who come in and are experiencing symptoms but can't get a test?
Do you ignore them until they get a test?
A friend of mine told me over the weekend that he had a friend die on Saturday AM (middle-aged, so not quite to your point).
He woke up and had no energy. By 2:30, he had stopped breathing.
Two weeks ago, he had a fever, but didn't go to the doctor.
So, his death is being treated as "possible" Covid-19 and his family has been "ordered" to self-quarantine.
No I am not. You do what you would with any disease of the sorts. You treat the symptoms and complications and use precautions in patients who exemplify the symptoms. There are also screening questions when you come in unless it’s an emergency (the bamba-lance brings you in). In that case you are greeted outside and put in a special tent like stretcher and isolated and tested with a whole protocol for logistics and observation. I honestly feel bad for places that don’t have better testing and we are all getting short on equipment.
My point is this thing this POS virus has taken away just about everything everyone likes. We aren’t going back to life as usual until everyone takes it seriously and helps eradicate it. It’s not going anywhere and everyone needs to take it seriously. It’s not a hoax it’s real. Everyone is losing their arses we need everybody for the sake of humanity to just isolate ourselves for a bit and nip it. Hopefully we can get a reliable safe vaccine and/or some strong immunity.
We might see the “below 50” type order by mid-April, but a complete return before May is unlikely.
We absolutely need the trucks to keep rolling to deliver supplies of food, but especially farm supplies, seed, fertilizer, and fuels. We are entering a critical stage of farming in the next 60 days. We can weather this if our most important commodity production, the one area where we clearly lead the world, farming, continues apace.
Those who are picking a particular date for “permanent damage” or any other particularly apocalyptic language need to chill. Yes, there will be continuing economic affects even if we get well by April 1st, but predicting collapse only makes collapse a self-fulfilling prophesy.
We have many things we can do that will free up food should the need arise (stop ethanol production from corn).
We will weather this, but among our millions, individual action is important. I’m not kidding when I suggest planting a garden.
DO IT!
We speak of our economic advantage because of our capitalism, and now is the time to prove it.
Food does not come from Kroger and Wal-Mart; it comes from the ground. Google it, and raise a 10 X 20 garden this Spring. It likely won’t be necessary, but the nation/system that has historically produced the world’s greatest abundance of food stuffs must continue to do so.
America’s greatest generation raised millions of Victory Gardens in WWII; that was your parents, grandparents and great-grand-parents.
We can prove worthy of their efforts for our nation’s survival.
We have many things we can do that will free up food should the need arise (stop ethanol production from corn).
We will weather this, but among our millions, individual action is important. I’m not kidding when I suggest planting a garden.
DO IT!
We speak of our economic advantage because of our capitalism, and now is the time to prove it.
Food does not come from Kroger and Wal-Mart; it comes from the ground. Google it, and raise a 10 X 20 garden this Spring. It likely won’t be necessary, but the nation/system that has historically produced the world’s greatest abundance of food stuffs must continue to do so.
America’s greatest generation raised millions of Victory Gardens in WWII; that was your parents, grandparents and great-grand-parents.
We can prove worthy of their efforts for our nation’s survival.
how did we survive before modern economy? its freaking crazy to think humans can build an american economy but cant rebuild it ... but nope you heard it here.... baller cal says it will be permanently damaged...
There is no need for hyperbole. We fed the free world and kicked *** in a war that pulled 15 million Americans off shore for anything but a pleasure cruise, from 1941-1945.
We will survive this and recover from it.
I saw a comparative study of Philadelphia and St. Louis and their treatment of the Spanish flu. Philly continued parades, etc., and had a massive spike and much higher death rate than did St. Louis
Over the past 7 days, Italy has had 4300 people die from covid-19. We're 15 days into their nationwide lockdown, so there shouldn't be any pre-lockdown transmission still popping up. Rate of increase in cases has slowed, though this weekend saw the highest new case count (and highest death count) so far. Sunday and Monday's reports showed decreases in deaths, though today spiked back up significantly (743 deaths in past 24 hours). We can hope that deaths have plateaued and this is just statistical noise today, but the peak in new cases reported Saturday could signal that we're still several days away from a new peak in daily fatalities.
And no anti-biotics to battle bacterial infections that set in with the viral infection.
pair of 60 year olds took a drug to kill parasites off fish for the coronavirus because it was the same drug as used for maleria just in a different form... killed the man and left the woman in serious condition.
Someone tested positive and then held a coronavirus party.... *sigh*
I dont think we're much more intelligent than 100 years ago as a whole species. lots and lots of stupid out there.
Someone tested positive and then held a coronavirus party.... *sigh*
I dont think we're much more intelligent than 100 years ago as a whole species. lots and lots of stupid out there.
If you look at Louisville from 1918 flu.
After 47 days they lifted the social distancing bans.
But after a month it reappeared with a spike in cases.
After 47 days they lifted the social distancing bans.
But after a month it reappeared with a spike in cases.
Sobering look at fatality data:
The world reached 1000 deaths Feb 10.
2500 on Feb 23.
5000 on Mar 13
10,000 on Mar 19
20,000 today, Mar 25
Confirmed case counts are following a similar trend of exponential growth. We have to hope all the efforts in countries around the world are successful at stemming the growth of this, or things will start to get pretty ugly pretty quickly.
The world reached 1000 deaths Feb 10.
2500 on Feb 23.
5000 on Mar 13
10,000 on Mar 19
20,000 today, Mar 25
Confirmed case counts are following a similar trend of exponential growth. We have to hope all the efforts in countries around the world are successful at stemming the growth of this, or things will start to get pretty ugly pretty quickly.
Another prophet of disaster who says this ship is lost. Another prophet of disaster leaving you to count the cost.
Taunting us with visions, afflicting us with fear.
Predicting war* for millions in the hope that one appears.
*- in this case, substitute "bubonic plague" for "war".
Things arent going back to normal april 1st. guess you lost this argument.
hopefully with all hospitals being ok'd to give the drug combos, it means its showing results.... if this keeps up and it starts saving a bunch of lives, then we can start going back to normal but its still gonna be a few weeks away at minimum .
It’s amazing to see the brevity of time between some of these posts. Last Wednesday was 5 days, ago, and the disease has left the opinion expressed badly in the dust.
If one thing comes from this, I hope we can forge a national strategy to disengage from China and their wet markets, forever.
we need not depend on another country as much as we do. but I think we should disengage from china because they killed their people for having a fever.... I know someone over there who got out and went to Taiwan ...... they welded buildings shut and let them starve to death healthy or not... and people that went out in public with a fever were taken away or shot.. Their government isnt even human it seems.
We have people in this country advocating for their form of government. That may be as frightening.
I haven't seen anybody outside of some fringe twitter accounts that are truly marxist supporting things like nationalization of oil and gas industry, land reform, price and currency controls, or anything resembling an end to private enterprise. The Bernie left is far more capitalist than Cuba or Venezuela and is more akin to a European left party.
True, but if our left can’t call our right “fascists,” and our right can’t call our left “commies,” it makes our political system look a lot less like professional wrestling, and takes it back to the old boring days of the first 200 years of the Republic.
How will Fox and MSNBC sell beer and peanuts without Antifa and the Nazi’s fighting in the streets?
Perhaps you are correct, and perhaps there's a just a perception that Bernie (and, by proxy, his bros) is a tad too fond of Castro. That negative perception is not helped, though, when Bernie sings the praises of Castro's literacy program (the merits of said program are actually quite debatable). How would a conservative contemporary politician be perceived if he or she made it point to discuss Mussolini's success in making trains run on time? I can only imagine how much fun the media would have with that one!
Trump actually tweeted a statement that originated from Mussolini early during his campaign, and caught some **** for it.
I didn't know that, but I assume that he more had sense than to make note that it was a Mussolini statement (assuming that he knew it was a Mussolini statement; who doesn't quote things from time to time without being aware of the source)?
I think he said he did not know it was from Mussolini.
The quote was to the effect of: “I’d rather live a day as a Lion, than a year as a sheep.”
LOL I actually about agree with that one even if it was from Mussolini. Sort of reminds me in a way of "better to reign in hell...", not exactly but close enough.