FOX Sports: 11 seed (not even in the ‘last four in’)

PiscatawayMike

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Pass the pen, I'll sign that right now.
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kcg88

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I know people think Michigan needs two but imo they move ahead of us with a win. So there's one. Gotta hope Charleston and FAU win their conference tournaments, that's two more potentials. Wisconsin and Penn State could easily pass us with wins. If Oklahoma State beats Oklahoma and we lose to Michigan we're both 18-14 at that point and they have better losses. Gotta watch out for bid thieves in the Pac 12 and Big East... My point is it sounds like a lot but it really isn't. I'd peg our chances at getting in with a loss at 5-10%.
 

Yeah Baby

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I know people think Michigan needs two but imo they move ahead of us with a win. So there's one. Gotta hope Charleston and FAU win their conference tournaments, that's two more potentials. Wisconsin and Penn State could easily pass us with wins. If Oklahoma State beats Oklahoma and we lose to Michigan we're both 18-14 at that point and they have better losses. Gotta watch out for bid thieves in the Pac 12 and Big East... My point is it sounds like a lot but it really isn't. I'd peg our chances at getting in with a loss at 5-10%.
I’d bet you are wrong. You just showed why it is a much better chance than 5-10%. But let’s win the game. We’re struggling so at some point we have to right the ship and play better ball. We need a full 40 minutes unlike the Illinois, Indiana , Minn and Mich games where we played pretty well and didn’t finish.
 

Scangg

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I know people think Michigan needs two but imo they move ahead of us with a win. So there's one. Gotta hope Charleston and FAU win their conference tournaments, that's two more potentials. Wisconsin and Penn State could easily pass us with wins. If Oklahoma State beats Oklahoma and we lose to Michigan we're both 18-14 at that point and they have better losses. Gotta watch out for bid thieves in the Pac 12 and Big East... My point is it sounds like a lot but it really isn't. I'd peg our chances at getting in with a loss at 5-10%.
The odds of every team behind us winning are pretty low...
 

goru7

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I know people think Michigan needs two but imo they move ahead of us with a win. So there's one. Gotta hope Charleston and FAU win their conference tournaments, that's two more potentials. Wisconsin and Penn State could easily pass us with wins. If Oklahoma State beats Oklahoma and we lose to Michigan we're both 18-14 at that point and they have better losses. Gotta watch out for bid thieves in the Pac 12 and Big East... My point is it sounds like a lot but it really isn't. I'd peg our chances at getting in with a loss at 5-10%.
So if Charleston wins tonight and FAU continues to blow out their whole conference and wins their tourney that is 2 less bid stealers ( assuming Charleston is in , which is debatable , but my opinion is 30 wins they deserve it, plus I have watched them 2-3 times and they are capable of winning a game or 2).
No way Wisconsin goes ahead of us beating Ohio State , they probably need the next one against Illinois / Penn State.
No way Penn State is ahead of us , we beat them 2x , if we lose and they lose and even if they win over Illinois and then lose it would be close.
If the bid stealers do not happen from the mid majors ( only 2 left ) and no one makes a run to at least the title game in the BiG conferences , our chances are very good like 50% or better
 

kcg88

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So if Charleston wins tonight and FAU continues to blow out their whole conference and wins their tourney that is 2 less bid stealers ( assuming Charleston is in , which is debatable , but my opinion is 30 wins they deserve it, plus I have watched them 2-3 times and they are capable of winning a game or 2).
No way Wisconsin goes ahead of us beating Ohio State , they probably need the next one against Illinois / Penn State.
No way Penn State is ahead of us , we beat them 2x , if we lose and they lose and even if they win over Illinois and then lose it would be close.
If the bid stealers do not happen from the mid majors ( only 2 left ) and no one makes a run to at least the title game in the BiG conferences , our chances are very good like 50% or better
I have a more cynical view than most of how the committee operates. I think to some extent they decide who "feels" like a tournament team and then finds the metrics to include them and keep others out. This worked to our benefit last year, now it's to our detriment. If they decide Rutgers doesn't feel like a tournament team they will keep us out. One could build a reasonable case to have Rutgers out of the field right now based on things like SOR and our losses.

Team A is Penn State, Team B is Rutgers. You can easily make a case for Team A if you wanted. If PSU wins (Q1 by the way) and we lose...

 

biazza38

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I have a more cynical view than most of how the committee operates. I think to some extent they decide who "feels" like a tournament team and then finds the metrics to include them and keep others out. This worked to our benefit last year, now it's to our detriment. If they decide Rutgers doesn't feel like a tournament team they will keep us out. One could build a reasonable case to have Rutgers out of the field right now based on things like SOR and our losses.

Team A is Penn State, Team B is Rutgers. You can easily make a case for Team A if you wanted. If PSU wins (Q1 by the way) and we lose...


Not all quad 1 wins are the same
Team b has a road win at then number 1 Purdue.
The blind resumes are fun but meaningless
 

kcg88

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Not all quad 1 wins are the same
Team b has a road win at then number 1 Purdue.
The blind resumes are fun but meaningless
In an ideal world you are correct. I'm not convinced that's the world we live in.
 

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I have a more cynical view than most of how the committee operates. I think to some extent they decide who "feels" like a tournament team and then finds the metrics to include them and keep others out. This worked to our benefit last year, now it's to our detriment. If they decide Rutgers doesn't feel like a tournament team they will keep us out. One could build a reasonable case to have Rutgers out of the field right now based on things like SOR and our losses.

Team A is Penn State, Team B is Rutgers. You can easily make a case for Team A if you wanted. If PSU wins (Q1 by the way) and we lose...




you know full well thats not how it works....now show me the win that Penn State has on the road at a projected #1 seed

blind resumes were a fairy tale created by espn

and then please the names of the teams beaten because we all know Q1 and Q2 wins as well as Q3 losses are not alike
 
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kcg88

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you know full well thats not how it works....now show me the win that Penn State has on the road at a projected #1 seed

blind resumes were a fairy tale created by espn

and then please the names of the teams beaten because we all know Q1 and Q2 wins as well as Q3 losses are not alike
I'm not saying I would make the case. I'm just saying the case could be made.
 

goru7

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I have a more cynical view than most of how the committee operates. I think to some extent they decide who "feels" like a tournament team and then finds the metrics to include them and keep others out. This worked to our benefit last year, now it's to our detriment. If they decide Rutgers doesn't feel like a tournament team they will keep us out. One could build a reasonable case to have Rutgers out of the field right now based on things like SOR and our losses.

Team A is Penn State, Team B is Rutgers. You can easily make a case for Team A if you wanted. If PSU wins (Q1 by the way) and we lose...


Do not disagree with your theory on the committee deciding on a team and then finding some data point to justify their selection.
However , the Penn State comparison remarkably leaves out the 2 head to head wins over Penn State. We have a higher NET , more road victories , something the committee values and higher in some metrics than PU. When you factor that in , cannot believe you will get the same results from the poll. And if you do , that would be putting your head in the sand. , especially since Penn State just beat NW and Maryland on 2 buzzer beaters after trailing most of both games ( so they didn’t look dominant ) and if Battle misses the 3 or we don’t blow a 10 point lead with a minute left at Minnesota , we wouldn’t be 10-10 with them and be much higher seeded and probably already a lock for the tourney with a 9 or 10 seed. Blind resumes are great with no context. !!!
 

NewJerseyHawk

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If there was no head to head matchups TWICE, then fine, have at it.

There is a loss of common sense with this stuff. RU is clearly ahead of PSU and Wisconsin, full stop.

I have a win against Wisconsin on the road without the co-defensive player of the year.

And I have PSU blowing a 19 point 2H lead to the same team that in the blind resume, in their own gym, full 2nd stop.

In the eye test scenario, I just don't see Jalen Pickett dribbling 20 times a possession as an offense that's going to work in the NCAAs......they were down 10 with 4 minutes or so left and Maryland collapsed. It's not a NCAA outfit IMO in Happy Valley.
 

JavaDunk18

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Trip to Sacramento, with possibility of staying around to go to Vegas. Yes, sign me up!
We should have the bye ahead of Wisconsin & Penn St.