Franklin is Out as Head Coach

Player2BNamedL8r

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Before deleting my post (again) HCJF should have been given more time to break thru like UMICH & tOSU did. When Corn canned Frank Solitch look @ how long it took Corn to recover from that. They are about middle of the pack right now. You just discouraged any great coach from coaching @ Beaver Stadium because of the brotherhood in the coaching profession. Your only chance is to find a great HC that was a fellow Lion. Disagree with me all you want to I'm only stating facts.
Disagree completely. 12 years for a HC at any program, regardless of success in that position, is a long tenure. It could be argued that he was given more than a fair shake, and in fact shows candidates that we are willing to give you time to get your system in place.
 

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He's getting plenty of money. He'll he fine
Yes,he will ultimately be fine.

Money is secondary and provides a cushion to the blow. I’m certain he will think about this phase of his life for the rest of time asking himself woulda coulda shoulda. Oh so close, yet oh so far. It is just sad that it came to this point.
 
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How much more time did you want for JF? His record against top ranked teams was horrific

First off, cut the moderators a little slack. This board was unusually crazy over the past 24 hours. If the moderators deleted your post, they did so with the best intentions.

Second, I'm merging this post into the Franklin is Out as HC thread. So it's not going away -- just being moved to a different location.
Thanks Tom. I will continue being respectful when posting/replying here.
 

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You don’t fire a coach with a massive, buyout, 70% winning percentage and a deep playoff run last year to get one of those guys!
You absolutely do...just like A&M hired Elko
You hire the right guy not the name
If we want to play things safe we would have kept him...now you find the next Kirby Smart.
What you didn't do was fire him to hire a guy in his mid 60s or a guy like Rhule who also can't win big games
 
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12375CAT

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Disagree completely. 12 years for a HC at any program, regardless of success in that position, is a long tenure. It could be argued that he was given more than a fair shake, and in fact shows candidates that we are willing to give you time to get your system in place.
Look @ what happened after Corn canned HC Frank Solitch. Coaches around the profession said they would not take the job @ Corn because of that. Wish you would have known that before canning James.
 

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Yes,he will ultimately be fine.

Money is secondary and provides a cushion to the blow. I’m certain he will think about this phase of his life for the rest of time asking himself woulda coulda shoulda. Oh so close, yet oh so far. It is just sad that it came to this point.
Well said. I hope he ultimately looks back fondly on his tenure at Penn State, and that we as a community, do the same. He did a lot of good things for the program.
 
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I know one thing that would not happen: Northwestern smashing us backwards on both sides of scrimmage. So hey, feel free to pour out the "no"s. If you can hire a coach who can do better at scrimmage let me know who that is.
Great. So PSU would lose 13-10 games but Biels would have the line playing well. No thanks.
 
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@Midnighter and others:

Things got a little wonky on the board, as least on the Admin end, or a bit today. However, I'm not sure if it was actually with On3, or with my computer. The end result was that this thread got accidentally merged with the Post-NW bitching thread. If caught right away, I can unmerge, but I didn't realize it for some time, so I ended up having to go to through a lot of work to pull the appropriate posts out of the bitching thread and recreate this thread.

My apologies to anybody that wondered where this thread went for an hour or two, or what was going on while I was recreating this thread.

Careful, Tom. Someone just got fired by Penn State for less.

o_O
 

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Please explain how what happened 20+ years ago at Nebraska has any parallel whatsoever to our current situation.
The prevailing brotherhood amongst the coaching profession will not change. They don't think the same way you do. They see it is a successful & winning coach being needlessly being jobbed.
 

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Yes,he will ultimately be fine.

Money is secondary and provides a cushion to the blow. I’m certain he will think about this phase of his life for the rest of time asking himself woulda coulda shoulda. Oh so close, yet oh so far. It is just sad that it came to this point.

Money is never secondary in this country. Also, $50 million is one helluva cushion. Don’t feel sorry for Franklin since he is laughing all the way to the bank.

Penn State fans deserved better than the underachieving Franklin. Today is a great day because Kraft finally had the courage to change course for the better.
 

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Money is never secondary in this country. Also, $50 million is one helluva cushion. Don’t feel sorry for Franklin since he is laughing all the way to the bank.

Penn State fans deserved better than the underachieving Franklin. Today is a great day because Kraft finally had the courage to change course for the better.
Money is absolutely secondary. Someone, somewhere is always making more money than you. Is it fun to earn a lot. Positively yes.

in the end, succeeding (Wins vs Losses) is what is paramount. I believe he will think about his record forever wondering ‘what if’. Nobody wants to fail.
 
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Money is never secondary in this country. Also, $50 million is one helluva cushion. Don’t feel sorry for Franklin since he is laughing all the way to the bank.

Penn State fans deserved better than the underachieving Franklin. Today is a great day because Kraft finally had the courage to change course for the better.
deserve? that's actually laughable

change course for the better? that remains to be seen, it's just as likely to be worse
 

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The prevailing brotherhood amongst the coaching profession will not change. They don't think the same way you do. They see it is a successful & winning coach being needlessly being jobbed.
Most coaches understand when you're given 3M for a DC then lose to UCLA and Northwestern after losing yet another big game you're going to be fired
 
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As of last year 247Sports showed Penn State at 25th ($386 mil) in NIL money and A&M was at #2 ($849 mil). Texas also has way better HS school players.
Can we stop believing these nonsensical reports about NIL?
You're right about TX having way better HS players though
 
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I think we need a fixer for a number of years, THEN a young coach - preferably proven as great from PSU's own staff.

Someone has to clean this mess up and 30-something y/o coaches have likely never even cleaned a trash can. Or a gutter. Or a grease trap. Also it's an unfair burden on them to come in to an empty roster w/ a billion dollar stadium on the horizon.
I’ve seen you post about this approach before and totally agree with it. That’s why I’m not too pressed if the next coach is in his 60s.
 

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Most coaches understand when you're given 3M for a DC then lose to UCLA and Northwestern after losing yet another big game you're going to be fired
They understand that but that doesn't change the fact that they won't coach @ beaver until the administration changes. HCJF was still quite successful @ Beaver & that is the way prospective new coaches see it.
 

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They understand that but that doesn't change the fact that they won't coach @ beaver until the administration changes. HCJF was still quite successful @ Beaver & that is the way prospective new coaches see it.
I'm sorry but this delusional--I don't want a HC that feels that way anyway so we're good.
I assure you none of the guys I realistically want care that Franklin was fired.
 
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Urban Meyer? He checks a lot of boxes. Yeah, there’s baggage, but he’s won Natties at two schools and would instantly reestablish credibility.

He could agree to take the job in season and hit the ground running on building a staff and recruiting before December.

Figure he’d coach 4-6 years and then turn things over to a Ryan Day type.

It’s not zero risk, but he’s way more likely to turn things around than fail.
Urban Meyer year 1 at OSU: 12-0
 

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The prevailing brotherhood amongst the coaching profession will not change. They don't think the same way you do. They see it is a successful & winning coach being needlessly being jobbed.
Dude. I was a Franklin supporter defender for a long time, but losing to a winless UCLA and then losing to NW was unacceptable. I was done with Franklin after UCLA, and even more so after yesterday. He was not jobbed.
 
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12375CAT

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I assure you none of the guys I realistically want care that Franklin was fired.
You will still have to find out the hard way unless a (highly successful) HC or assistant @ any level was a fellow Lion who wants to come back to Beaver. (good luck)
 

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As of last year 247Sports showed Penn State at 25th ($386 mil) in NIL money and A&M was at #2 ($849 mil). Texas also has way better HS school players.
I have visited A&M numerous times. It is no where near as beautiful as Happy Valley, but that community is all in on A&M as much as Happy Valley is on Penn State. Both fans bases are very similar but active Aggies have way more $$$$$$ than active Penn Staters.