Fraud, here’s another example. Just how big is this problem?

[horshack.sixpack]

I'm not talking about a Nazi dictatorship at war, bruh. I'm talking about the modern day United States.

And I'm sure there are places were loyalists can 'make a dent' in their agenda. But not in the freakin' government bureaucracy, most of it is apolitical anyway. You're talking about military folks mainly here, which, weirdly, is where MOST of all the waste actually is. Nobody wants to hear that, though.

I'm not either. I'm talking about using "I was ordered" as an excuse. Take our military for example. They swear an oath to the constitution. When they don't honor that, they face consequences. You do not have to take a military order that violates the constitution.

Under the Uniform Code of Military Justice (UCMJ) and long‑standing military law, a service member has a duty to refuse an order that is:

Illegal
Unconstitutional
Clearly immoral
In violation of the laws of war

Obeying such an order can make the service member criminally liable.

 

[paindonthurt]

Data I saw had him at $3.5B in 2017, losing ~$1.2B in his first term to end 2021 at $2.3B. Two different sources show the gains in this term cited.

I mean using the same exact source and same exact questioning and same exact time frame.

Trump 5.37% annually from 2008 to 2025


from 2008 to 2020 (only b/c they quit reporting on obama's)
39.4% annually




But but but Trumps a meanie!!

 

[paindonthurt]

I think we are at a point where government employees who's job it is to approve and police all this money the government hands out, should be able to earn "finders fees" on finding fraud. Give them some incentive to care about catching these criminals. It will be way cheaper in the long run.

Plus this is actually a place where AI can be used to search all data concerning the paperwork and find dead people or duplicate SSN numbers or other discrepancies that might take some deep dives to find for a human.

I mean thats one way to do it or we could you know HOLD THEM ACCOUNTABLE LIKE EVERY OTHER JOB IN AMERICA.

 

[paindonthurt]

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Trumps a meanie!!

39% vs 5.5%

Trump Compared to Obama

 

[bolddogge]

The Fauci hate will continue to puzzle me forever. He didn't even do anything controversial, just common sense shlt.

He didn't do anything controversial?!?! Wow... Read more. Post less.

 

[bolddogge]

No, not even close.

We made it almost 100 years without an income tax... And when it started, it was only no more than 5%. That shows it is possible.

 

[o_Hot Rock]

He didn't do anything controversial?!?! Wow... Read more. Post less.

Orange man tells so many lies.

I saw one yesterday that blew my mind. He said something about China not doing Windmills for electricity. Do what? China has more of wind generated electricity than any country in the world. Almost 10% of their power last I checked was wind generated.

Trump is a liar and a convicted felon that has been sued I think 4,000 times for not paying his debts and he loses thuse cases but still comes out ahead as he delays the payment for years at times causing many bankruptcies to his suppliers AND contractors.

You do know that guy is the worst without even going into his child raping. If you don't you should read up on him outside of Right wing sites. He is a bad guy.

 

[Bulldog Bruce]

I mean thats one way to do it or we could you know HOLD THEM ACCOUNTABLE LIKE EVERY OTHER JOB IN AMERICA.

That's fantasy world stuff. We wouldn't need police if everyone acted right and didn't take stuff that didn't belong to them.

 

[horshack.sixpack]

I mean using the same exact source and same exact questioning and same exact time frame.

Trump 5.37% annually from 2008 to 2025
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from 2008 to 2020 (only b/c they quit reporting on obama's)
39.4% annually

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But but but Trumps a meanie!!

apparently not the same question. go ask how much did Trump's net worth increase in his first term; repeat for second. you will get the sources and numbers that I got. Trump has made an estimated $3.4 billion in profit tied directly to business advantages, opportunities, and ventures that arose because of his presidency, including from:

• Business earnings that surged due to Trump’s political power and visibility
• Cryptocurrency ventures launched and promoted by the Trump family
• Real estate and resort profits boosted by official political activity
• Merchandise, licensing, and investment deals tied to Trump’s political brand (MAGA, not GOP)
• Media ventures that monetized his political role

Although unimaginable, there were even enough idiots out there for him to earn an estimated $2.5MM off those gaudy shoes he was hawking.

 

[22yardpunt]

I don’t think enough people understand the scale of just one of these fraud cases. I prompted ChatGPT to estimate total federal income tax paid by a person making $100k a year for 40 years of their career. With the assumptions posted below, the estimated tax paid is $600k. When I think about these fraud cases, I recognize that they can totally negate my entire neighborhood’s lifetime federal income tax payments with a single case. The scale of it should really piss people off, but there seems to be a ho-hum reaction.

I may be honhum about the fraud cases (nothing I can do about it), but you can ask me wife about my occasional rants about the stupid amount of money we have to pay in taxes for the federal government to go and waste it on bull s h I t. Gets me going just thinking about it.

 

[bolddogge]

ICE is given a quota. They have to arrest so many a day. It matters little if it's a real criminal or some guy with his kid dropping him off at school. They even arrested the kid. Guy was completely here legally on a work permit through 2028 and they put him and his kid in prison. How does anyone still support that is beyond me but this county is full of hate and it's dying.

What is a "real" criminal? Please provide some detail on this instance. I've not seen one legitimate example where ICE arrested someone without cause. Did the kid really get arrested, or was he only taken because there was nobody else to take care of them? Then the headline would read "ICE abandons baby on the street!"

 

[paindonthurt]

That's fantasy world stuff. We wouldn't need police if everyone acted right and didn't take stuff that didn't belong to them.

I understand but i'm not really expecting everyone to act right. I'm expecting us to hold them accountable.

I get held accountable in my job every day. 2 ways. Financially incentives and disciplinary action if i don't do my job. The latter doesn't really happen in government.

 

[dorndawg]

That's fantasy world stuff. We wouldn't need police if everyone acted right and didn't take stuff that didn't belong to them.

Or you can just fire all the Inspectors General so that there's no watchdog. POOF no fraud, I guess. It's almost like we're watching a heist...

https://www.usnews.com/news/national-news/articles/2025-04-15/trump-fired-18-government-watchdogs-this-is-why-it-matters

 

[mstateglfr]

I mean using the same exact source and same exact questioning and same exact time frame.

Trump 5.37% annually from 2008 to 2025
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from 2008 to 2020 (only b/c they quit reporting on obama's)
39.4% annually

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But but but Trumps a meanie!!

Those charts show one increased wealth after leaving office and the other increased wealth coming into his 2nd term in office.
I mean...come on. You see that, right?
One significantly increased wealth after having power as POTUS and the other significantly increased wealth because of having power as POTUS.

To be very clear- I am not defending Obama. I have no idea how his wealth has increased these last 10 years(or the 3 years after leaving office that are charted).
I am responding to your post because the difference in timing is, to me, fundamentally worth considering.

 

[paindonthurt]

apparently not the same question. go ask how much did Trump's net worth increase in his first term; repeat for second. you will get the sources and numbers that I got. Trump has made an estimated $3.4 billion in profit tied directly to business advantages, opportunities, and ventures that arose because of his presidency, including from:

• Business earnings that surged due to Trump’s political power and visibility
• Cryptocurrency ventures launched and promoted by the Trump family
• Real estate and resort profits boosted by official political activity
• Merchandise, licensing, and investment deals tied to Trump’s political brand (MAGA, not GOP)
• Media ventures that monetized his political role

Although unimaginable, there were even enough idiots out there for him to earn an estimated $2.5MM off those gaudy shoes he was hawking.

i don't know how you can't see this.

Looking at the network over a number of years is better data than over 1 or 2 or 3 or 4 or 5.

Obama has increased his net worth by 39% annually
Trump by 5.5% annually

Either stfu about trump or b1ch about obama too. Otherwise you look like a whining @$$ fool.

 

[bolddogge]

apparently not the same question. go ask how much did Trump's net worth increase in his first term; repeat for second. you will get the sources and numbers that I got. Trump has made an estimated $3.4 billion in profit tied directly to business advantages, opportunities, and ventures that arose because of his presidency, including from:

• Business earnings that surged due to Trump’s political power and visibility
• Cryptocurrency ventures launched and promoted by the Trump family
• Real estate and resort profits boosted by official political activity
• Merchandise, licensing, and investment deals tied to Trump’s political brand (MAGA, not GOP)
• Media ventures that monetized his political role

Although unimaginable, there were even enough idiots out there for him to earn an estimated $2.5MM off those gaudy shoes he was hawking.

You left off one of the largest components. The corporate medial legal settlements. He's picked up quite a chunk of change off the untruth's that were spread.

 

[paindonthurt]

Those charts show one increased wealth after leaving office and the other increased wealth coming into his 2nd term in office.
I mean...come on. You see that, right?
One significantly increased wealth after having power as POTUS and the other significantly increased wealth because of having power as POTUS.

To be very clear- I am not defending Obama. I have no idea how his wealth has increased these last 10 years(or the 3 years after leaving office that are charted).
I am responding to your post because the difference in timing is, to me, fundamentally worth considering.

Are you stupid? Trump wasn't in office in 2024. I'm sure that 2025 number wasn't reported at the end of the year. In 2024 when he was making all that money yall didn't think he had a chance in November.

The entire point is stfu about trump or start b1ching about obama. BUT BUT BUT obama isn't the president anymore. I 17ING KNOW but you never cared about kids in cages, walls, or deportations or making money off the office until orange man bad did. THATS 17ING TDS.

 

[mstateglfr]

i don't know how you can't see this.

Looking at the network over a number of years is better data than over 1 or 2 or 3 or 4 or 5.

Obama has increased his net worth by 39% annually
Trump by 5.5% annually

Either stfu about trump or b1ch about obama too. Otherwise you look like a whining @$$ fool.

I remember when it was announced after the 2010 census that a city(now) in my metro was the fastest growing city in the state.
It went from like 5,000 people to 13,000 people. Fastest growing, yep, but also just 8,000 people added over a decade. A ton of cities added more than that.
Numbers are fun.

 

[mstateglfr]

Are you stupid? Trump wasn't in office in 2024. I'm sure that 2025 number wasn't reported at the end of the year. In 2024 when he was making all that money yall didn't think he had a chance in November.

The entire point is stfu about trump or start b1ching about obama. BUT BUT BUT obama isn't the president anymore. I 17ING KNOW but you never cared about kids in cages, walls, or deportations or making money off the office until orange man bad did. THATS 17ING TDS.

I know Trump wasnt in office in 2024.

https://time.com/7342470/trump-net-worth-wealth-crypto/
After returning to office, Donald Trump’s net worth jumped to $7.3 billion, up from $3.9 billion in 2024, according to a tally that Forbes published in September.

https://www.forbes.com/sites/danale...osts-trumps-net-worth-by-3-billion-in-a-year/
Donald Trump just had the most lucrative year of his life. The president is now worth a record $7.3 billion, up from $4.3 billion in 2024, when he was still running for office.