Freezus has yet to beat a D-1 school with a winning record
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I DID have the same mindset as you wspanic....But after this weekend, I think we are seeing the real Freeze. They had bowl eligibility on the line against one of the worst teams in the conference, on their home field, with a big lead late, and Blew it. That is horrible. We're not talking Mullen blowing a chance to beat LSU in his first year, we're talking losing bowl eligibility to Vandy. I think maybe everyone is starting to figure out this gimmicky offense and OM is starting to come back down to Earth. They have been riding the newness of Freeze and his fun offense, and taking moral victories...but at the end of the day, they are still looking at possibly ending with 5 wins, and 2 of those wouldn't have happened if Auburn and Arkansas weren't **** eaters this season. I'm no longer worried about the Freeze factor. He has shown the ability to, dare I say, freeze under pressure of key moments.
Your dead on about the offense. When a new coach comes into the league for the first time, he has the advantage of team's not being familiar with his offensive schemes. The real test will be next year and the year after. Also, I'm not even sure if he could have duplicated his success at Arkansas State, but I guess one year was enough for Archie.
UM is certainly right to be optimistic about Freeze, but what he's done so far is more or less the minimum required for him to be a good hire. Ole Miss wasn't as bad last year as they looked, just like we weren't as bad as we looked Croom's last year.
At the time, what Dan did his first year looked miraculous, but had Croom left a marginal qb on campus (hell, had he even left Wesley Carroll on campus), we would have been a top 25 team and gone bowling against a ridiculously hard schedule. But watching us play the year before and you would have thought we had a 4 year rebuilding project ahead of us (which we did in order to fill holes and build depth, but not to put a competitive team together). I would argue the job Mullen did with Relf the next year was miraculous, but at the end of year one, we were probably more optimistic than we had a right to be.
Freeze is in a similar situation. UM's probably not in quite as good of shape across the board as state was talent wise, but they do have some talented players on both sides of the ball (including a good qb and possibly great wide receiver). A new coach gets the benefit of new energy, and they have also benefited from having two SEC west teams implode, putting an extra 2 winnable SEC games on their schedule. To his credit, Freeze has been able to take advantage of all that. But it's going to take a lot to fill in the holes on UM's team, and probably more than one recruiting class. He'll have to keep his players playing at a high energy and keep adjusting on offense as other teams figure out his scheme. Nothing so far to make you think he can't do that, but it's still a big question mark.
One big advantage UM does have is that Freeze has already been at UM, so he's not going to be under any delusions about what he has to do to recruit. If there is a glaring hole that has to be fixed for UM to improve next year (like MSU had at OT and DE at the end of 2010), they are going to come off their checkbook. They may not fill all their needs, but they'll at least be in the game. Had MSU just done that successfully for one high level JUCO OT and/or DE and/or WR after '10, we probably could have picked off another win last year and our trajectory could look a lot different right now.
At the time, what Dan did his first year looked miraculous, but had Croom left a marginal qb on campus (hell, had he even left Wesley Carroll on campus), we would have been a top 25 team and gone bowling against a ridiculously hard schedule. But watching us play the year before and you would have thought we had a 4 year rebuilding project ahead of us (which we did in order to fill holes and build depth, but not to put a competitive team together). I would argue the job Mullen did with Relf the next year was miraculous, but at the end of year one, we were probably more optimistic than we had a right to be.
Freeze is in a similar situation. UM's probably not in quite as good of shape across the board as state was talent wise, but they do have some talented players on both sides of the ball (including a good qb and possibly great wide receiver). A new coach gets the benefit of new energy, and they have also benefited from having two SEC west teams implode, putting an extra 2 winnable SEC games on their schedule. To his credit, Freeze has been able to take advantage of all that. But it's going to take a lot to fill in the holes on UM's team, and probably more than one recruiting class. He'll have to keep his players playing at a high energy and keep adjusting on offense as other teams figure out his scheme. Nothing so far to make you think he can't do that, but it's still a big question mark.
One big advantage UM does have is that Freeze has already been at UM, so he's not going to be under any delusions about what he has to do to recruit. If there is a glaring hole that has to be fixed for UM to improve next year (like MSU had at OT and DE at the end of 2010), they are going to come off their checkbook. They may not fill all their needs, but they'll at least be in the game. Had MSU just done that successfully for one high level JUCO OT and/or DE and/or WR after '10, we probably could have picked off another win last year and our trajectory could look a lot different right now.
i agree that the jury is still not in on freeze, but i
would say that our problems of late have more to do with our thinness in sec quality talent and being 10 games into the season than they do to freeze's offense being gimmicky. the first part of the season they were able to cover our weaknesses...like a truly bad oline....with schemes and smoke and mirrors. i agree that now other coaches see those weaknesses and are exploiting them but its at least as much that here late in the season we're beat up and tired and don't have the sec quality depth to make up for it. heck we started a guy at corner against vandy that isn't even on the roster.
i don't think you can truly judge a hire till the guy has some recruiting classes of his own to build on cause ultimately you've got to have reasonably competitive players to compete. knute 17ing Rockne couldn't win with the talent deficiencies we've got..not purely starters but the fall off after that group. and as the season wears on that is what gets exposed.
most rational ole miss fans and most on here gave us a chance to maybe win 3 and we've won 5 so far and the kids are playing hard. any way you slice it freeze has done a very good job this year. maybe not miraculous but a very good job.
would say that our problems of late have more to do with our thinness in sec quality talent and being 10 games into the season than they do to freeze's offense being gimmicky. the first part of the season they were able to cover our weaknesses...like a truly bad oline....with schemes and smoke and mirrors. i agree that now other coaches see those weaknesses and are exploiting them but its at least as much that here late in the season we're beat up and tired and don't have the sec quality depth to make up for it. heck we started a guy at corner against vandy that isn't even on the roster.
i don't think you can truly judge a hire till the guy has some recruiting classes of his own to build on cause ultimately you've got to have reasonably competitive players to compete. knute 17ing Rockne couldn't win with the talent deficiencies we've got..not purely starters but the fall off after that group. and as the season wears on that is what gets exposed.
most rational ole miss fans and most on here gave us a chance to maybe win 3 and we've won 5 so far and the kids are playing hard. any way you slice it freeze has done a very good job this year. maybe not miraculous but a very good job.
only because Auburn and UPig have been so horrible. As many have said- if they had their normal teams, you guys would still be a 3 win team with wins over 2 horrible teams like UTEP and Tulane as well as a damn D-II school. You've simply proven to not be the SEC's worst team to this point
I'm still impressed with the job that Freeze has done... so far. But he is reminding me more and more of HDN. Coach Freeze is all about the emotion and the excitement of the game, and by all accounts he has the rebels fired up to play. BUT, on the field, all they have is smoke and mirrors. Mark Richt, in his pre-game interview before the OM game stated " all we need to do is watch for the 2-3 trick plays, and we'll be fine". Ala Houston Nutt: a LOT of locker rooom hype and a few trick plays. Works for a while, then the shine wears off.
i assume the sarcasm but for accuracy sake,
a boatload of the best rated talent on those classes is gone (thanks nutt). recruiting only matters if you keep them and coach them. neither of which nutt could do.
a boatload of the best rated talent on those classes is gone (thanks nutt). recruiting only matters if you keep them and coach them. neither of which nutt could do.
This needs to be repeated 100 times every time a bear complains about depth or talent. The Bears have won February every year for....forever now. WTF, Bears? You have the talent. YOU said so!!
Y'all are in year four under Mullen
And Freeze is in year one, coaching a team that you guys said before the season started, had one player that would start on State's team in Moncrief. The fact that y'all are that much talented at every position and still worried about the Egg Bowl tells me this is a thread to make you feel better about being worried what Freeze can do in a year or two
And Freeze is in year one, coaching a team that you guys said before the season started, had one player that would start on State's team in Moncrief. The fact that y'all are that much talented at every position and still worried about the Egg Bowl tells me this is a thread to make you feel better about being worried what Freeze can do in a year or two
Or maybe that's what this ^^ response by you is. You're on a MSU board trying to downplay Mullen and our "worry" based off of a thread on a message board. Do you not see the irony in what you're doing? You're trying to make yourself feel better. You guys spin so much that you don't even realize you're spinning our words into exactly what YOU are doing.
Im posting in an OM thread. And exactly how am I down playing Mullen. What am I spinning? What have I said other than you guys are worried about the egg bowl and worried about what Freeze can do in the future. If you weren't then you wouldn't try to make yourself believe it
Well you certainly
didn't spin the fact that freezus has yet to beat a D1 team with a winning record. Maybe he should pray harder.
didn't spin the fact that freezus has yet to beat a D1 team with a winning record. Maybe he should pray harder.
Mullen beat 3 D-1 schools his 1st year with winning records...Freeze won't beat even 1
Only top 10 teams are beating Mullen at home since 2010- Auburn wouldnt have been top 10 even if they were decent...so no, they wouldnt have
Really? You are concerned about where the Bears will be in four years...based on what..their improvement from last year to this year?? You expect the see the same amount of improvement for the next four years?? They absolutely quit last year...so of course they're better this year. I really doubt they will improve at the current pace for the next four years.
The narrow vision and small picture world some of our fans live in is stunning.
The Bears are optimistic because the held a medicore Texas team to under 70. Hoddy Toddy! No that's something to crow about.