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michaeluk26 said:
For only the 3rd time in history I agree with you. Also didn't take you as a GoT fan. It's hard to pick between The Wire and GoT, but like you I'd say the Wire by a smidge. HBO has such quality programming. My tv stays on it for the most part.

As crazy as it sounds, I've never watched the Soprano's. How good is it compared to these two shows? Gonna binge watch it when GoT is over.
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I’m actually in the same boat lol. Thinking I might watch the sopranos solely based on how great the wire and GOT are. I agree, HBO puts out top notch content. FX is in the same category as well IMO although their last couple shows aren’t my cup of tea.
 
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The white walkers and the NK are a plague that comes around ever so often to set humanity back in it's place,etc. They said in the beginning it had been a thousand years and so on. They defeated them after losing a lot. They cycle will eventually repeat itself and they will be back. 7 kingdoms, 7 deadly sins, metaphorically speaking. Sort of parallel in most of these sagas, humans get caught up in their own ilth, greed, lust and need to be reset ever so often. According to most literature. Maybe Bran is connected to that. I wouldn't be surprised at the end if they don't leave some easter egg out there showing the blue eyes aren't totally gone, they never are.


Sopranos first 4 seasons were epic, the last became much more soap opera at times. Tony(Gandolfini) is the goat. A.J became the worst. Should have wrote him off dead to cancer or some accident. He was awful. Needed to see Meadow titties to make up for her brothers awfulness, they didn't do it.

The wire was good.

Breaking Bad is the goat.
 
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The machine overlord, the Source, or whatever in the Matix. yea. him/it too.

"philosophers" or "historians" and now hollywood have been rewriting the same stories for thousands of years, just changed the names lol.
 
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I think Jon had a bad war, he again got baited this time by the NK into chasing him to the storm cloud which led to Jon wrecking his dragon. Then got punked again by NK that led to Daenerys nearly trashing her dragon. For good measure he ignores Sam in favor of reaching Bran but never does, stays penned down by the ice dragon. Aegon sixth of his name had his *** handed to him on a platter.

He rode a dragon that burned a lot of dead but I think Jon killed maybe 5 to ten dead the whole war. His main attributes seem to be honesty to a fault, a unifier of people, plus the ability to call a girl Donny and get away with it. But he sure as ish isn’t cunning on the battlefield, why do they keep pitching him as a meathead?
 
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Which death was a bigger plot disappointment?

Snoke


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The Night King



The "Chosen One" hero didn't take out the ultimate evil driving the story.
 
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How good is the musical score in this show? I still think "Light of the Seven" is tops, but that soft piano for Theon, the way it lightly builds over 8 or so minutes towards the scene with Arya at the end. Just perfection. Really takes it to another level.
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Reminds me of the piano they used during “Winds of Winter” (my favorite episode of TV ever), when Cersei was executing the plan to blow up the Sept of Baelor. Perfection.

EDIT: Just realized that’s the song you’re talking about.
 
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There’s articles all over the place explaining what’s not to like about it and most of it has been rehashed here. If you’re a casual GoT fan who wants to see blood and boobs and dragons then yeah it was great.

It was way too difficult to see what was going on most of the time. We saw zero combat from the White Walkers or the Night King. Ghost was a no-show again. The Dothraki just charged in there to their death for no reason. What did they think they were going to do? Terrible war tactics.

Bran did absolutely nothing. Why not have him warg into Ghost and wreck some wights, maybe save Sam from one of his 6 deaths.

There was nothing meaningful in the crypts other than a few unnamed dead Starks that came to life.

But my biggest issues are plot-related. The NK was a hollow villain with seemingly little purpose. The Bran situation is a disaster. Once they ran out of George’s material the showrunners completely abandoned the prophecies because they don’t understand them.

And the fact that the whole story has been about everyone being too caught up in politics and not paying attention to the real threat beyond the wall, yet the final battle is against Cersei and her mercenary army we know basically nothing about. That’s pretty lame.

I still have hope for the last 3 episodes but that one was a pretty big dud for me. It was entertaining, but it wasn’t “good” IMO.
 
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beltieboy said:
There’s articles all over the place explaining what’s not to like about it and most of it has been rehashed here. If you’re a casual GoT fan who wants to see blood and boobs and dragons then yeah it was great.

It was way too difficult to see what was going on most of the time. We saw zero combat from the White Walkers or the Night King. Ghost was a no-show again. The Dothraki just charged in there to their death for no reason. What did they think they were going to do? Terrible war tactics.

Bran did absolutely nothing. Why not have him warg into Ghost and wreck some wights, maybe save Sam from one of his 6 deaths.

There was nothing meaningful in the crypts other than a few unnamed dead Starks that came to life.

But my biggest issues are plot-related. The NK was a hollow villain with seemingly little purpose. The Bran situation is a disaster. Once they ran out of George’s material the showrunners completely abandoned the prophecies because they don’t understand them.

And the fact that the whole story has been about everyone being too caught up in politics and not paying attention to the real threat beyond the wall, yet the final battle is against Cersei and her mercenary army we know basically nothing about. That’s pretty lame.

I still have hope for the last 3 episodes but that one was a pretty big dud for me. It was entertaining, but it wasn’t “good” IMO.
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Bran warged so the nk could find him...did ppl actually need the visual? I suppose they could go back in show where all he went...but I would think that would have to be done for a casual viewer
 
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beltieboy said:
There’s articles all over the place explaining what’s not to like about it and most of it has been rehashed here. If you’re a casual GoT fan who wants to see blood and boobs and dragons then yeah it was great.

It was way too difficult to see what was going on most of the time. We saw zero combat from the White Walkers or the Night King. Ghost was a no-show again. The Dothraki just charged in there to their death for no reason. What did they think they were going to do? Terrible war tactics.

Bran did absolutely nothing. Why not have him warg into Ghost and wreck some wights, maybe save Sam from one of his 6 deaths.

There was nothing meaningful in the crypts other than a few unnamed dead Starks that came to life.

But my biggest issues are plot-related. The NK was a hollow villain with seemingly little purpose. The Bran situation is a disaster. Once they ran out of George’s material the showrunners completely abandoned the prophecies because they don’t understand them.

And the fact that the whole story has been about everyone being too caught up in politics and not paying attention to the real threat beyond the wall, yet the final battle is against Cersei and her mercenary army we know basically nothing about. That’s pretty lame.

I still have hope for the last 3 episodes but that one was a pretty big dud for me. It was entertaining, but it wasn’t “good” IMO.
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I'm not sure what you watched but it wasn't the same thing I saw. There was a ton of fighting with the WW. The NK never fights, he let's he troops do that.

The dothraki charge was a great visual. Znd it served to show just how desperate the fight would be. Ghost was at the front of that charge.

It was a full length movie, how much more fighting did you want?

I agree that it was too dark but again, that may have been by design to add to the realism.

It was a great episode.
 
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It'saDoneDeal said:
How good is the musical score in this show? I still think "Light of the Seven" is tops, but that soft piano for Theon, the way it lightly builds over 8 or so minutes towards the scene with Arya at the end. Just perfection. Really takes it to another level.
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Agree. My wife and I were talking about how good the music was when we rewatched the episode last night.

I also kept thinking the piano tune at the end sounded familiar. I mentioned to my wife that it sounded like one of those Westworld piano songs that they play in the saloon that are piano versions of rock songs.

After some half-assed internet research today, I found out that the same dude does music for both shows. How he isn't nominated for an Emmy every year is mind boggling.
 
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beltieboy said:
The Dothraki just charged in there to their death for no reason. What did they think they were going to do? Terrible war tactics.
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I thought the same thing at first, but after rewatching the episode, it's clear to me that the Dothraki charge was not supposed to happen then. You can see Jorah (who I assume was the cavalry commander for the battle) look confused when they started charging. If it was by design, Jorah would have given the command.

Rather, I think it speaks to the aggressive and undisciplined nature of the Dothraki, so it was actually in character for them. My guess is that they got fired up (pun intended) from their flaming arakhs and took off early.

I've read articles discussing the bad military tactics (and there were some like no burning pitch thrown over the side of the walls when the dead were climbing, the lack of more fire trenches, etc.), but what a lot of people are missing is that they didn't expect to win this battle. All they were trying to do was delay the AOTD until the NK exposed himself.
 
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beltieboy said:
There’s articles all over the place explaining what’s not to like about it and most of it has been rehashed here. If you’re a casual GoT fan who wants to see blood and boobs and dragons then yeah it was great.

It was way too difficult to see what was going on most of the time. We saw zero combat from the White Walkers or the Night King. Ghost was a no-show again. The Dothraki just charged in there to their death for no reason. What did they think they were going to do? Terrible war tactics.

Bran did absolutely nothing. Why not have him warg into Ghost and wreck some wights, maybe save Sam from one of his 6 deaths.

There was nothing meaningful in the crypts other than a few unnamed dead Starks that came to life.

But my biggest issues are plot-related. The NK was a hollow villain with seemingly little purpose. The Bran situation is a disaster. Once they ran out of George’s material the showrunners completely abandoned the prophecies because they don’t understand them.

And the fact that the whole story has been about everyone being too caught up in politics and not paying attention to the real threat beyond the wall, yet the final battle is against Cersei and her mercenary army we know basically nothing about. That’s pretty lame.

I still have hope for the last 3 episodes but that one was a pretty big dud for me. It was entertaining, but it wasn’t “good” IMO.
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I’m gonna take a wild guess that you won’t be happy after the conclusion.
 
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beltieboy said:
Not the wights, the White Walkers. The dudes with the cool ice swords. Please tell me one thing they did other than walk.
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Again, it was an hour and a half of mostly fighting. What did you want them to do with the cool swords that could add to the story?
 
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beltieboy said:
There’s articles all over the place explaining what’s not to like about it and most of it has been rehashed here. If you’re a casual GoT fan who wants to see blood and boobs and dragons then yeah it was great.

It was way too difficult to see what was going on most of the time. We saw zero combat from the White Walkers or the Night King. Ghost was a no-show again. The Dothraki just charged in there to their death for no reason. What did they think they were going to do? Terrible war tactics.

Bran did absolutely nothing. Why not have him warg into Ghost and wreck some wights, maybe save Sam from one of his 6 deaths.

There was nothing meaningful in the crypts other than a few unnamed dead Starks that came to life.

But my biggest issues are plot-related. The NK was a hollow villain with seemingly little purpose. The Bran situation is a disaster. Once they ran out of George’s material the showrunners completely abandoned the prophecies because they don’t understand them.

And the fact that the whole story has been about everyone being too caught up in politics and not paying attention to the real threat beyond the wall, yet the final battle is against Cersei and her mercenary army we know basically nothing about. That’s pretty lame.

I still have hope for the last 3 episodes but that one was a pretty big dud for me. It was entertaining, but it wasn’t “good” IMO.
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Agree with much of that. Also agree the writers really struggled once they ran out of source material. Hodor was the only thing they got right. But grrm told them about that.

As readers and viewers, we waited so long for the epic payoff. It didn't whiff. But it was far from a home run
 
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I think the people who are against the prophecy being abandoned have a point. But let’s wait and see what happens in the next few episodes. Could be that they address it.

I do not, for the life of me, understand any of the other complaints. If I’m the White Walkers (not the wights), I stay back and chill too. If I die, everyone I have turned dies with me. It would be stupid to expose myself. If you’re going to point to the Dothraki as using bad battle tactics, then you would have to say the White Walkers exposing themselves would be the same.

Nobody ever claimed the NK and white Walkers were Master swordsmen. Thats your own fault for setting that standard. Hell, we have seen Sam kill one and nobody complained.

I thought the episode was amazing. I was nervous as hell the entire time. I’m no medieval war master so it’s hard for me to knock someone for stuff I know nothing about.
 
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I have small issues with the episode (the tactics of the charge and more, the darkness, the fact that popular characters in 1 shot are swarmed but 20 or more undead then next fight 2 to 3 at a slow pace) but I don’t really fault the episode as a whole.

Given that the show runners or GRRM decided that this was the ending they wanted it was a good episode. I just felt like the missed a great opportunity to actually accentuate what made GoT great from the get go: subverting the standard Hollywood/hero arc.

They didn’t set it up too badly either going into the 3rd episode and even Midway through the battle. They could have easily kept most the episode but changed the ending and I think most would be impressed.

1. Have the night king win. Brienne, tormund, Gendry, Jamie, Davos, mel all die as the are being overwhelmed.
2. Dany and Jon are not portrayed as stupidly as the were but they end up in the same situations at the end only to be saved by Jorah (for Dany) and their dragons who fly in to save them before all is lost.
3. The dead starks in the crypts are reanimated but Sansa, Tyrion, whoever else escape via the secret tunnels in the crypts which have already been mentioned. Also put Theon as the protector in the crypt since the only person who would actually trust him is Sansa.
4. After Mel tells ayra “what do we say to the god of death” Arya and the hound take off and escape the castle as the ice dragon burns it all down. Could even add a cool scene for Mel using last of her powers with fire to hold off the wights for them to escape.
5. Bran and the nk are in the same spot looking at each other and they both warg/go to the past to when the nk was a first man to have exposition on the nk reasons for it all and what the f bran actually is except creepy.
After you can either have bran be killed by the nk or taken captive for another motive which would better explain all that crap


So after the battle nk wins reanimates all the dead and begins to march south. Arya, hound, Tyrion etc escape to the sea lead by Theon towards the iron islands. Jon/Dany fly to the river lands to regroup (actually have the convo about their weird relatedness) and rally whatever army is there.

Eventually all (nk, arya’s Group, Dany/Jon) get to King’s landing and the last two episodes can play out from there. Arya Kills nk still, clegane bowl, Tyrion kills Cersei, etc etc

Again this wasn’t bad in an episode sense or given the ending they were given but it was bad for the series as a whole. After about 30 min everyone knew what was going to happen as all the actual main characters had been surrounded by infinite wights and lived.

Ps... worst part Sam just sitting on the ground amid hundreds of wights just crying and still somehow living

Bash away just my feels
 
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As readers and viewers, we waited so long for the epic payoff. It didn't whiff. But it was far from a home run
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Yeah... and they took an extra year to put this thing together. That made the already high expectations (set by the quality of the show, to begin with) shoot through the roof.

So far, we have (ala Friends style) the following episodes:

1) The One With The Reunion
2) The One Where They're Getting To Know You
3) The One When They Killed Their Darth Vader

But hey, it's a great show, and it's been a blast to read/debate/discuss throughout the run. No matter what, I will be glued to the tv for three more Sunday nights. I just want a championship ending, but it's feeling a little more like an Elite Eight, right now.
 
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I have small issues with the episode (the tactics of the charge and more, the darkness, the fact that popular characters in 1 shot are swarmed but 20 or more undead then next fight 2 to 3 at a slow pace) but I don’t really fault the episode as a whole.

Given that the show runners or GRRM decided that this was the ending they wanted it was a good episode. I just felt like the missed a great opportunity to actually accentuate what made GoT great from the get go: subverting the standard Hollywood/hero arc.

They didn’t set it up too badly either going into the 3rd episode and even Midway through the battle. They could have easily kept most the episode but changed the ending and I think most would be impressed.

1. Have the night king win. Brienne, tormund, Gendry, Jamie, Davos, mel all die as the are being overwhelmed.
2. Dany and Jon are not portrayed as stupidly as the were but they end up in the same situations at the end only to be saved by Jorah (for Dany) and their dragons who fly in to save them before all is lost.
3. The dead starks in the crypts are reanimated but Sansa, Tyrion, whoever else escape via the secret tunnels in the crypts which have already been mentioned. Also put Theon as the protector in the crypt since the only person who would actually trust him is Sansa.
4. After Mel tells ayra “what do we say to the god of death” Arya and the hound take off and escape the castle as the ice dragon burns it all down. Could even add a cool scene for Mel using last of her powers with fire to hold off the wights for them to escape.
5. Bran and the nk are in the same spot looking at each other and they both warg/go to the past to when the nk was a first man to have exposition on the nk reasons for it all and what the f bran actually is except creepy.
After you can either have bran be killed by the nk or taken captive for another motive which would better explain all that crap


So after the battle nk wins reanimates all the dead and begins to march south. Arya, hound, Tyrion etc escape to the sea lead by Theon towards the iron islands. Jon/Dany fly to the river lands to regroup (actually have the convo about their weird relatedness) and rally whatever army is there.

Eventually all (nk, arya’s Group, Dany/Jon) get to King’s landing and the last two episodes can play out from there. Arya Kills nk still, clegane bowl, Tyrion kills Cersei, etc etc

Again this wasn’t bad in an episode sense or given the ending they were given but it was bad for the series as a whole. After about 30 min everyone knew what was going to happen as all the actual main characters had been surrounded by infinite wights and lived.

Ps... worst part Sam just sitting on the ground amid hundreds of wights just crying and still somehow living

Bash away just my feels
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That’s fantastic and much better than what we got.
 
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