Gasoline...heads up boys

[thatsbaseball]

[FONT=&quot]“This shutdown will have implications on both gasoline supply and prices, but the impact will vary regionally. Areas including Mississippi, Tennessee and the East Coast from Georgia into Delaware are most likely to experience limited fuel availability and price increases, as early as this week,” Lloyd Albert, senior vice president of public and government affairs for AAA Northeast, said. [/FONT]

 

[UpTheMiddlex3Punt]

It would be a shame if the CIA were to find some of these ransomware criminals. A total shame.

 

[Shmuley]

Wouldn't you just hate to see it? **

 

[T-TownDawgg]

I have often wondered what effect this kind of horseshittery will have on cryptocurrency. Every ransom ware attack demands it.

At some point crypto devaluation may be considered in the interests of national security. Downvote away, crypto six packers.

 

[Mobile Bay]

I am already hearing that places in Pensacola are already running out of gas.

 

[Xenomorph]

At this point it's a matter of national security... The NSA needs to point a Seal Team toward whatever hole these guys are hiding in and let them do their thing.

 

[mcdawg22]

They are. But Tom Thumb is because of lack of drivers by their distributors. I think that, on top of the shortage have caused other gas stations to run out.

 

[Shmuley]

Don't be surprised, however, if the bad guys are ultimately found right here.

 

[SheltonChoked]

I am already hearing that places in Pensacola are already running out of gas.

The Colonial doesn't run anywhere close to Pensacola. That area is served by A Kinder Morgan line, and more likely, trucks from Pascagoula and Mobile. It's the truck driver shortage that's causing issues there. Not the pipeline.

 

[Mobile Bay]

The Colonial doesn't run anywhere close to Pensacola. That area is served by A Kinder Morgan line, and more likely, trucks from Pascagoula and Mobile. It's the truck driver shortage that's causing issues there. Not the pipeline.

Barges come through the intracoastal waterway from there. But yes, there is also a truck driver shortage.

Why work when you can get free government money?

 

[Xenomorph]

That's fine.. the FBI has an inventory of whoop *** cans waiting to deploy too.

 

[PineGroveBully]

1910334[/URL]]Don't be surprised, however, if the bad guys are ultimately found right here.

Fighting Irish is bad but he’s not smart enough to pull something like this off.

 

[dorndawg]

Barges come through the intracoastal waterway from there. But yes, there is also a truck driver shortage.

Why work when you can get free government money?

There's been a severe trucker shortage for 10+ years.

 

[SheltonChoked]

Barges come through the intracoastal waterway from there. But yes, there is also a truck driver shortage.

Why work when you can get free government money?

Or they got another job when demand for drivers tanked in March of 2020.... And found jobs that pay better with better benefits and less hazardous than driving a bomb everyday. But whatever political reason you want to blame...

https://www.smart-trucking.com/truck-driver-shortage/

 

[57stratdawg]

I got called in to assist with a company on the East Coast a few years back in the middle of a ransom ware attack. They got the FBI involved, but ultimately had make payoffs to get back on their feet. The hackers made them pay the ransom three separate times. It took them well over a month regain any type of access, and they still lost a ton of data.

The FBI Agent told us it was the equivalent of going on your senior cruise and getting left behind at Epstein's Island.

 

[Russ Wheeler]

Hopefully this goes like that deal a few years ago when the gas line blew up south of Birmingham. People panicked for a few days, but things were back to normal within a week.

 

[Ghostman]

The Colonial doesn't run anywhere close to Pensacola. That area is served by A Kinder Morgan line, and more likely, trucks from Pascagoula and Mobile. It's the truck driver shortage that's causing issues there. Not the pipeline.

This can effect those terminals in Pascagoula, Mobile, etc by forcing more trucks to go there to get product and causing much longer waiting times and potentially allocation issues.

One interesting (or not) tidbit that I read in an article is that the fuel only moves, on average, 3-5 mph in the pipeline and it takes approximately 18 days for it to travel from Houston to NYC.

 

[jethreauxdawg]

I’m all for it

At this point it's a matter of national security... The NSA needs to point a Seal Team toward whatever hole these guys are hiding in and let them do their thing.

I think it worked wonders for the pirates harassing cargo ships.

 

[Russ Wheeler]

Or they got another job when demand for drivers tanked in March of 2020.... And found jobs that pay better with better benefits and less hazardous than driving a bomb everyday. But whatever political reason you want to blame...

https://www.smart-trucking.com/truck-driver-shortage/

That doesn't make sense. That article was from February 2020. I cannot imagine that demand for trucking went down in March....maybe temporarily, but soon after, it absolutely exploded.

I do agree with them finding better jobs, and that the industry needs to get better. The fear of the future, i.e. automation, plays a part. Just like the pilot shortage (which actually did take a horrific tank in demand).

 

[JungRebel]

If the US has to pony up 3B in BTC purchased on the open market to protect national security every six weeks then I am VERY bullish.***

 

[047Dog]

That doesn't make sense. That article was from February 2020. I cannot imagine that demand for trucking went down in March....maybe temporarily, but soon after, it absolutely exploded.

I do agree with them finding better jobs, and that the industry needs to get better. The fear of the future, i.e. automation, plays a part. Just like the pilot shortage (which actually did take a horrific tank in demand).

I read one more recently that said the gasoline truck hauling industry was an older male dominated field and the last year of COVID gave many a reason just to retire. It said that the strict training requirements made it more difficult to hire younger employees that are willing to endure it thus a shortage is happening.

 

[RocketDawg]

Might make Biden rethink shutting down the Keystone XL (yes, I know it carries crude but it still shows the importance of pipelines in general).

 

[SheltonChoked]

That doesn't make sense. That article was from February 2020. I cannot imagine that demand for trucking went down in March....maybe temporarily, but soon after, it absolutely exploded.

I do agree with them finding better jobs, and that the industry needs to get better. The fear of the future, i.e. automation, plays a part. Just like the pilot shortage (which actually did take a horrific tank in demand).

You don't think the demand for Gasoline transport went down in March 2020? Because that is what the discussion is about...Did Covid not happen in your universe?

In this universe, people stopped traveling in March of 2020, Gasoline deliveries went down. Therefore, gasoline Truck drivers started driving other routes (like packaging) or found other work. Exacerbating a decades long issue in the trucking industry.

And it will be a LONG time before we "Automate" hazardous material trucking...

 

[PineGroveBully]

Exactly, haven’t heard any plans for a Captain Phillips II

 

[RocketDawg]

There's been a severe trucker shortage for 10+ years.

Not sure I'd want any more trucks on the road. A few days ago, drove from Atlanta to Chattanooga on I-75 and about 75% of the vehicles on the road were trucks, and most of those were driving well over the posted speed limit - until we got 2 miles south of the 24/75 interchange and then everything came to a screeching halt because of interchange work. Took an hour to go 2 miles. Might want to think about going back to trains for long haul cargo.

 

[SheltonChoked]

This can effect those terminals in Pascagoula, Mobile, etc by forcing more trucks to go there to get product and causing much longer waiting times and potentially allocation issues.

One interesting (or not) tidbit that I read in an article is that the fuel only moves, on average, 3-5 mph in the pipeline and it takes approximately 18 days for it to travel from Houston to NYC.

That's a little slow.

Liquid pipelines usually move at about 10-15 fps (6-10 mph) to minimise drag and erosional issues in the lines.

 

[Mobile Bay]

Might make Biden rethink shutting down the Keystone XL (yes, I know it carries crude but it still shows the importance of pipelines in general).

He won't. That oil is still moving, but by train. The company doing that is BSNF Railway. Owned by Berkshire Hathaway which is basically Warren Buffet. All the protests and lawsuits against the pipeline were funded through him. Buffet is also on record as a supporter of Joe Biden and is a democrat.

 

[Russ Wheeler]

You don't think the demand for Gasoline transport went down in March 2020? Because that is what the discussion is about...Did Covid not happen in your universe?

In this universe, people stopped traveling in March of 2020, Gasoline deliveries went down. Therefore, gasoline Truck drivers started driving other routes (like packaging) or found other work. Exacerbating a decades long issue in the trucking industry.

And it will be a LONG time before we "Automate" hazardous material trucking...

No, the demand for trucking in general. But looking back, I see you were talking specifically about gasoline trucking, but reading the article I guess I got to thinking about the entire industry.

 

[SheltonChoked]

Might make Biden rethink shutting down the Keystone XL (yes, I know it carries crude but it still shows the importance of pipelines in general).

Keystone is a decade too late. The important parts were built (the parts linking the houston/beaumont areas to Cushing). The Oil sands stuff sucks, and we have more oil than we can process coming from Shale in Texas. We need more lines like Grey Oak and Cactus. Those would employ more people during construction than Keystone, and add more US jobs to keep the line filled.

Keystone is a political tool. it was important before the shale boom. Now it's useless and only good at riling up voters.

 

[SheltonChoked]

Not sure I'd want any more trucks on the road. A few days ago, drove from Atlanta to Chattanooga on I-75 and about 75% of the vehicles on the road were trucks, and most of those were driving well over the posted speed limit - until we got 2 miles south of the 24/75 interchange and then everything came to a screeching halt because of interchange work. Took an hour to go 2 miles. Might want to think about going back to trains for long haul cargo.

That sounds like Bidens Infrastructure plan....

And it's long overdue.

 

[SheltonChoked]

No, the demand for trucking in general. But looking back, I see you were talking specifically about gasoline trucking, but reading the article I guess I got to thinking about the entire industry.

And, the specialist required for hazardous liquid cargo, got another job during the pandemic (like hauling amazon boxes), and doesn't want to go back to hauling flammable liquids...

Leading to a gasoline shortage...

 

[SheltonChoked]

Exactly, haven’t heard any plans for a Captain Phillips II

It's still there. For the same reasons that Colonial got attacked. The companies pay the ransom.

This article is a year old, but i think the global pandemic and extra shipping probably didn't help this issue.

They just don't hit US ships.

https://theconversation.com/global-...-and-the-coronavirus-may-make-it-worse-137586

 

[jethreauxdawg]

They just don't hit US ships.

*Insert Trump thumbs up gif here*

 

[thatsbaseball]

Do the current Colonial problems affect all of Ms and Tn supply wise or just portions ?

 

[RocketDawg]

That sounds like Bidens Infrastructure plan....

And it's long overdue.

Agree - if it goes to actual infrastructure.

 

[SheltonChoked]

Do the current Colonial problems affect all of Ms and Tn supply wise or just portions ?

I think this is right.
Central and West MS may see an issue, but the bigger impact is farther East (GA and the NE)

The Colonial has a pump station in Collins where a lot of MS gasoline is trucked from. There may be a station in Meridian, but I may have it confused with another line.

But there are several refined products pipeline that run through Mississippi.

The coast has a refinery and is close to the BR/NO refineries to not need the Pipeline. There is a small refinery in Vicksburg, and a few small ones in Memphis.

 

[bruiser.sixpack]

I bought gas for $2.54 at Raceway on Airport Road this morning before going to see my cardiologist. I went back home to pack for my trip to BR and Lafayette and in that 54 minutes it has gone up to $2.69.

 

[mcdawg22]

I am already hearing that places in Pensacola are already running out of gas.

They just said Pensacola Terminal did not pass inspection and is shut down.

 

[DesotoCountyDawg]

A decent portion of North Mississippi gets its gasoline from Memphis.

 

[00Dawg]

As someone employed by a company that got hit...

I'm totally good with whatever legal measures we want to take, including declaring ransomware attacks an act of terrorism.
Fun fact: someone actually died in Germany because the hospital he was being taken to was hit, and they had to reroute. Last I checked, the prosecutors had reduced the chargers from murder.
I might not have been so lenient.