Gavin has moments, but is not improving accuracy
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Wtf is a "year and a half of eligibility". He has two years after this year.. He's a redshirt sophomore. And by all accounts he's the same age as sophomores in college. He's not an upper classman. He's a sophomore.I can't believe we have this many idiots in this fan base. Or is it the same idiot posting on multiple accounts?
Thanks for your usual contribution with no substance and full of insults. Why don't you try adding to the conversation?
Yes he flubbed two games with a pick. But we played 6 games. How about the others? Seems like a little wild to throw the guy under the bus for a fraction of the games.
I'm not throwing him under the bus. Players have bad games. He's been a net positive for every other game imo. But he's still the starting QB and a leader and should take accountability. He didn't get the job done.
BTW I don't see Michigan as being on Gavin. The pick 6 was really play calling mixed with a great play by the defender. Wisconsin is on the offense. He's their leader. He made the biggest mistake.
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Well as you have seen over the years they have done this since before Schiano was here the first time. Hell they criticized Fortay, Lucas, Erney , McMahon, Savage etc. the list goes on. It is time people realize we could go 11-2 and they would complain. Ok to disagree but you see how this is going. Rutgers , Schiano and the offensive staff needs to keep chopping. Done responding to several here who only like to beat up on a 19 year oldQB really learning as you go.
I didn't say you were but am more pointing the insane posts and comments- personal favorite is Simon should start. I am not sure how a college QB takes accountability in a way he isn't at the moment.
I'm not quick to criticize. But I'm criticizing. Unless there is major improvement, I don't see Gavin starting next year.
Too much focus on Gavin and not enough on a program that is one of if not the worst in QB and passing game development in all of FBS. Not P5. FBS.
GS1 QBs had no problem throwing for over 2000 yards with Ryan Hart, Mike Teel, Tom Savage, And Chas Dodd/Gary Nova. We’d stretch the field and and complete bombs for big plays once or twice a game and sometimes much more than that. People forgot that we really pushed the field back then compared to now in both the run AND passing game.
Ash/GS2 passing offense is broken beyond repair. I mean it’s honestly inconceivable how we’ve been bottom 20 in all of FBS In every season since 2015 besides the BS covid year.
Wimsatt would get the proper development to get to at least average QB play at every other Big 10 school.
GS1 QBs had no problem throwing for over 2000 yards with Ryan Hart, Mike Teel, Tom Savage, And Chas Dodd/Gary Nova. We’d stretch the field and and complete bombs for big plays once or twice a game and sometimes much more than that. People forgot that we really pushed the field back then compared to now in both the run AND passing game.
Ash/GS2 passing offense is broken beyond repair. I mean it’s honestly inconceivable how we’ve been bottom 20 in all of FBS In every season since 2015 besides the BS covid year.
Wimsatt would get the proper development to get to at least average QB play at every other Big 10 school.
I personally hope for the best for Gavin, I don’t blame Gavin for the loss, he has list of positives this year.Or worse, "Ajani Shepherd should start the fourth quarter".
That said it’s ok to have an opinion based on observations and stats= his accuracy is not improving. It not an outlandish conclusion based on what we have seen thus far.
The way Gavin is playing he is not losing us games. That said he is not winning them either.
I am marking this post for future reference AJ
Is the real deal.
Blaming the complaints on negativity or same old narratives isn't accurate. The fan base loved Lucas and McMahon never ran a limited playbook to pamper him while developing. It's true that the passing stats were serviceable in other games this season but Virginia tech was a red flag some acknowledged and other chose to ignore. The other games were not good measures of much in terms of big ten success.
With GW, we can't even pass to running backs out of the backfield. Now to be fair, he does show some real potential at times but is wildly inconsistent. I don't think it is unreasonable to make the argument that other qbs on the roster with less of that occasional wow factor might be better suited to help us win in the present. This take may not be realistic, but it doesn't have to be about negativity.
Isn't the point to win? In other words, maybe with no guarentee of future development (more wins later), isnt it reasonable to discuss varying ways to potentially get more wina in the present? Isn't this what fans do?
With GW, we can't even pass to running backs out of the backfield. Now to be fair, he does show some real potential at times but is wildly inconsistent. I don't think it is unreasonable to make the argument that other qbs on the roster with less of that occasional wow factor might be better suited to help us win in the present. This take may not be realistic, but it doesn't have to be about negativity.
Isn't the point to win? In other words, maybe with no guarentee of future development (more wins later), isnt it reasonable to discuss varying ways to potentially get more wina in the present? Isn't this what fans do?
Did you see Ray Lucas in the early part of his time here. He was not an accurate passer . Great arm , great speed …even McMahon who for those fortunate enough was perhaps the most talented that I saw from a physical stature pre 2 K . Savage as well ….what happened with Tom is well known . People blamed Greg Schiano . Our O line was piss poor. Savage got beaten up.He is trying to not let that happen to Gavin . So in doing that it is possibly a main reason Gavin doesn’t scramble more often.So remember this is a dramatically better conference.
Well said.
In FBS you have to have a QB that can win you some games or at least give you a chance. We have neither. A game mgr. is fine for middling programs. Wimsatt has played in 18 games now so those who keep bringing up his inexperience that excuse is weak.
For the program to improve beyond 4-5 wins per year we need to give QB Shepard and AJ the opportunity.
Ray Lucas and GW are not comparable especially on the accuracy argument especially after Ray had 10 games under his belt
Walk the plank, Gavin! Even though we were 4-1 going against a 14pt favorite on the road and only lost by 11, let's get rid of you. We just can't win with you!
Even though you've made some great throws, you're not as accurate as we "experts" think you should be. You guys are freakin jokes.
Even though you've made some great throws, you're not as accurate as we "experts" think you should be. You guys are freakin jokes.
Did they win those games because of him? I would say the defense had more to do with that then the QB. Just because you are winning doesn't mean you can't bench a guy. When you are ranked 101 in Passing efficiency, 117 in passing yards then it is very reasonable to think a change at QB is needed.
That might have won games 30 years ago but in todays game you need production out of the QB position. That is why Rutgers offense continues to struggle.
123.3 Cole Snyder career qb rating
106.8 Evan Simon
99.5 Gavin Wimsatt
With situations like this there will be lots of discussions on the coaches qb decisions and the qb's performance. The four easiest teams on the schedule this year are in our rearview mirror and were at home so qb performance is a huge concern going forward.
106.8 Evan Simon
99.5 Gavin Wimsatt
With situations like this there will be lots of discussions on the coaches qb decisions and the qb's performance. The four easiest teams on the schedule this year are in our rearview mirror and were at home so qb performance is a huge concern going forward.
Lucas was never sub 50% completion % in any of his seasons, though GW is managing turnovers a bit better when comparing sophomore seasons.
There is no debate the big ten is a tougher schedule. That's very true.
There is no debate the big ten is a tougher schedule. That's very true.
When Schiano mentions it during halftime ( as he did last week) you know he knows it's a serious issue. Not sure what he plans to do. Can't imagine him taking Gavin out. Will need to let Gavin use his strengths and let him run.
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I think if we don’t see vast improvement in the MSU game, we need to start seeing the other QB have some play time. Tyler Buchner, ND starter last year, sitting on Alabama bench will be in the portal next year. Half the top 25 teams have QB that transferred from another team.
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How many passes? Sure it sounds good but you don’t leave Gavin out to dry over a bad pass interception. You give him the next game for certain. You would just like to see a QB controversy.
I think we would be Schiano and the OC since they will make the decision. It would be a mistake to keep expecting improvements next year without competition. Schiano and the OC aren‘t comfortable with GW skills presently or we would have opened up the passing game. We need a backup plan immediately not when GW graduates in two more years.
While you are right and this is definitely a small sample, Simon hit the rb in stride; something GW can't seem to do based on the much bigger sample of work he has.
They way it sounded I thought maybe it was you and a friend? Yes it would be Schiano and Kirk Ciarrocca making the decision when and if to make a QB switch.
which games did the RBs score on short passes out of the backfield for big gains?
Im not being argumentative. I'm genuinely asking. I don't remember this happening this season. I remember several off target throws and/or throws with too much on them though which were lost downs/opportunities.
Im not being argumentative. I'm genuinely asking. I don't remember this happening this season. I remember several off target throws and/or throws with too much on them though which were lost downs/opportunities.
Why is it that Schiano is happy with having game managing QB’s who aren’t accurate passers. Noting, Schiano hand picked both Noah and GW, shouldn’t we pick QB’s who are both and not settle? Schiano has personally chosen to move forward with only game managing QB’s that will maybe win 3, 4, 5, or even 6 games a season if we are lucky….so instead of trying other QB’s on the roster or getting a new QB from the portal….we just continue to promote/develop below average passers to be good game managers because then my job isn’t at risk and I can convince the fan base and AD that we are still a developmental program going into year 5! Minimum risk, while I laugh my way to the bank….
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