This. Our WR room is a disgrace right now and so is our TE room.
Gavin has moments, but is not improving accuracy
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Today isn't the day to blame the wide receivers
That's too funny.
On a day when passes were high and airy Wimsett skips a low pass off the turf to slap a guy in the beans.
That would be on ESPN back in the day
They're horrific. Gavin is a sophomore, he will have an off-day. Kid has no weapons and our RBs are average at best. OL is playing above their skill set though at least.
I was listening to the Wisconsin broadcast on satellite radio
The announcers expressed surprise quite a few times at the degree of inaccuracy on some passes.
Not something they are accustomed to seeing
The announcers expressed surprise quite a few times at the degree of inaccuracy on some passes.
Not something they are accustomed to seeing
The player is already in our program
you saw him play against Wagner
Savage - a freshman All American - was good and on the way to great.
Alas RU didn't stock OL and Savage was concusion/injury prone when the concusion hysteria was amping-up. Savage's parents were freaking-out publicly
Recall RU set D1 sacks allow record in 2010 - easily one of the worst cfb seasons anywhere with horrible play and EL injury (and RU kid jumped-off GWB in season to boot). Losing Savage was the end of the post L'ville RU magic.
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If true and they weren't in zone then why did he do that? Because they knew what was coming. But in man you usually don't hand off receivers, do to the confusion it can cause.
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He has improved...until what I saw today. And yes, its concerning.
What was expected at the floor level was game management, good decisions, and not turn the ball over especially in critical situations. That didn't happen today. If folks want to whine, they should be able to do so freely today.
Yes to both above. I was gonna say the same thing. I could have intercepted that pass. Unfortunately we had the 1/100 who would attempt it. Poor decision and the throw, if attempted, should have been on a laser rope. There were too many limp wristed, Lamar Latrell passes today.
Based on my eyes Gavin is much better than last year. He has a calm presence and is good on the RPO’s. I think he will get better incrementally over the next 2 years. That being said I really did like watching Sheppard last week. I know it was Wagner but felt he could be really good over the next few years.
not me, our lines are well below average, our receivers are not very good, our coaching blows and our qb is not accurate
pretty sure we could add more to it
I feel like our receivers have made some nice grabs this year and I can't remember many drops. They have gotten open on some long balls but many times overthrown or out of bounds. Separation may be an issue but we only go to our primary receiver, covered or not (like the pick 6), while others are open but no checkdown. Accuracy is not easily solved so I would be working in other qb's for some series here and there to see if there is a spark and also for the future.
Evan Simon might be Joe Montana but he’s not a threat as a runner so he’s not starting…and I don’t blame the coaches for that.
JJ, Strong and Dremel are capable WR’s but of course if they were on Ohio State’s roster they wouldn’t see the field.
you are one of the great experts we have here on the Rutgers forum.
im glad to have your expertise and opinion.
please keep up the info on our team it is much appreciated.
well I'll gladly eat crow the first time I'm wrong.
This board can't get past 'the guy' regardless of position or coach. It's unbelievable to watch the mental gymnastics our fans go through to try and justify a view or belief. For weeks all we heard was that stupid metric for qb play and I laughed and argued it was worthless
Gav is not accurate
Gav does not have BIG level arm strength
Our receivers don't get the ball, don't get separation, run piss poor routes and run blocking sucks
Oline blows, sorry but absolutely blows
our strength is our rb set but that alone is not enough to win on offense
play calling is better but it's still not aggressive enough and very questionable at key times
D is good overall but D line doesn't get enough downfield push or penetration and corners can't cover long enough matter.
coaching is a absolute abomination and you can take your pick where. Greg won't be here after next year with this kind of management. The portal and OC fiasco was the last straw, he's got to put up or move on
See and again Im really glad of yer expert critiques of our team. Its posters like you that make this forum a better place.
But I gotta tell ya, ya got a long way to go if ya wanna compete in the same stratosphere as Nighthawk cuz he can type circles around you with content.
I'm watching and not seeing improvement. Do stats confirm your observation? What weapons are going to make his throws more accurate? I'm not seeing drops.
Yes. He’s Johnny Nowhere. He’s got like 5 catches? The other kid, transfer, no impact.
Gents, it’s not just GW. We haven’t been able to complete a forward pass consistently in about 10 years. Ridiculous
amazes me that we haven't had a qb in forever and watching all these teams play with freshman, transfers, sophs is just lemon juice in a cut
By my count after watching the film: there were 8 inaccurate throws that should have been completions. No QB makes all of them. But most Big 10 QBs make most of them. It definitely could have changed the outcome of the game.
The formula for beating us is now clear: stuff the run and make Gavin beat you through the air. A handful more completions here and there will probably determine the outcome of some games.
Most Big 10 QBs make most of them? Show your work. This is a hilarious bad take and unduly myopic.
You can look no further than Wisconsin's QB, who is playing in his 6th year.
Or have a look at the QB performances at Illinois, Nebraska, Minnesota, Northwestern, Iowa or Purdue this week. And Taulia has a crap game yesterday too.
Some of you guys are just way too over the top with your one-sided negativity. Gavin has a lot of room for improvement, but let's not make this out to be some sort of unique Rutgers problem.
Stop with objectivity, we lost to a B1G traditional power on the road who is 4 - 1 with a only lose to a top 20 team. we lost by 11points where as in the past there were only blow outs : it’s time to panic and burn it all down.
Your right / our offense is concerning enough where any game on the schedule could be a loss. On the other hand though, our defense can keep us in all the games except OSU.
Our pass blocking is pretty decent and while Wisconsin’s size totally shut down our run game, that’s not going to be the case week in and out. The thing is - Gavin had all day to throw and couldn’t complete many of those passes. Evan validated this when he came in and quickly drove us into the end zone. Evan can’t scramble to avoid sacks, run RPOs or otherwise pick up yards with his legs. As of last year, he wasn’t good with decision making either (an area where Gavin has improved a lot). But he is consistently accurate when he has time. The staff will have a decision to make next time our run game is non-existent against a big defensive front. Gavin’s relative strengths are neutralized against top run defenses…
Ok, so when are our fans going to understand college eligibility? Gavin is an Upper classman, a junior, you’re talking about him as ‘the kid’ over Simon as though we have so much more time to develop. Gavin’s got 1 year left after this year. He’s not a kid who just stepped onto campus anymore. For context, he’s got the same amount of eligibility remaining as JJ McCarthy and a full year LESS than Drew Allar.
Gavin’s no ‘kid’ anymore in cfb terms. He’s got a year and a half of eligibility left
Agreed. They both have shortcomings. Gavin is now a mediocre to borderline adequate game manager and nothing more. It basically comes down to our run blocking against the bottom half of the BIG. If Kyle can run the ball against Michigan State and Indiana, we probably win unless we beat ourselves. If those teams can stall our run game the way Wisconsin did, our staff has a choice to make. It doesn’t seem like Gavin is capable of winning a game in the air. Unique to this year, is the inability to deflect the blame on the OL pass blocking. The blocking has been consistently solid. It’s QB accuracy and we have a QB on the bench who has proven he can be accurate when given enough time. Unfortunately though - that QB can’t scramble and is prone to bad decisions in the face of pressure. As I said - there are trade offs and a choice will need to be made.
Wimsatt should have 2 years eligibility left after this year. He’s a redshirt sophomore. Junior academically.
Fine. Other than my eyeballs having watched a lot of college football, we both know this isn't really something where you can show your work. But I'll take a shot at it.
Gavin has the second lowest pass completion percentage in the Big.
Most = the majority of Big QBs = 50% of them plus 1. That's 8 QBs. Just eyeballing it, it seems the average of the top 8 is 65%. A 14% increase over Gavin's completion percentage.
Gavin threw 35 times. 14% of 35 is 4.9. Round up that's 5 passes these other QBs would have completed.
You also have to take into account the circumstances though. Just being fair. How good is the OL...stuff like that. So how does GWs context stack up? GW has had good protection, enjoys the benefit of solid run game that has to be respected, and has been spoon fed favorable circumstances by the coaching staff. He hasn't been asked to do as much as some others.
I'm not pro or anti Gavin. He can grow. But I am saying that most of the team, this year, looks like it belongs in the top half, even top third, of the Big. But to take the step you need a top half QB also. Gavin has promise, is making progress, but to date he hasn't quite performed at the level needed to take the next step.
even the int was a bad throw
Gav has accuracy issues that are not going to be fixed in a year.
Gav doesn't start over any other BIG qb