Georgia Tech and Vanderbilt are a combined 13-1

[615dawg]

and they turned their programs around from worse situations than we had since we’ve hired High School Lebby.

I have no faith in this staff. Players are going to change anyway so we need to move on. There are coaches that have already been fired this season that would be better for us than what we have.

That was the worse coaching decision in the history of Mississippi State football and outside of some egregious things like Woody Hays choking a player, one of the worst coaching decisions in the history of the sport.

 

[civildawg88]

Hire James Franklin tomorrow. He's eager and 10 times the better coach than lebby

 

[Bhamdawg1725]

I think the worst part of this… listening to his post game interviews, he doesn’t even think he 17d up. He thinks it was the right call.

A coach that dumb should be able to be terminated with cause.

 

[UpTheMiddlex3Punt]

The nerds have figured out the game. Meanwhile we have the idiots who eat paste. And judging by Libby's waistline, a whole lot of it.

 

[bulldoghair]

It’s because of the scheme and systems they’ve committed too as underdogs. I’ve been saying both Vanderbilt and Georgia Tech’s offenses are what we need to be doing here at State.


AI Overview
Vanderbilt's offensive scheme is a run-first spread option offense, which is a unique variation of the traditional spread offense that incorporates a lot of hard-hitting runs. Key features include multiple run-pass options (RPOs), a heavy use of 12 personnel (one running back, two tight ends), read options, pre-snap motions, and trick plays. This system is designed to be physical, control the clock, and force defenses to be assignment-oriented.

AI Overview
Georgia Tech's offense is characterized by a modern, creative spread scheme that blends downhill power running with the misdirection of the triple option. The offense uses formations, motion, and pulling linemen to create confusion and exploit defensive overcommitments, often focusing on power and counter plays. While a triple-option foundation is central, it's often used in a spread-flexbone variation, and the scheme is designed to be dynamic with a mix of running and passing elements.

 

[8dog]

Clark Lea is in year 5. He won 2 sec games in his first 3 years. He has a dynamic qb who makes the difference in games like we played today.

 

[bulldoghair]

Clark Lea is in year 5. He won 2 sec games in his first 3 years. He has a dynamic qb who makes the difference in games like we played today.

Tim Beck. Clark Lea hired Beck that is the difference. Lea hired Beck because he realized finally that they had to be different at Vanderbilt to have a chance to win.

Tim Beck knows Vanderbilt offense needs to be different

Tim Beck explains his offensive philosophy.

vanderbilt.rivals.com

 

[whodatdawg12]

At least the band is in their full regalia now

 

[bulldoghair]

Vanderbilt and Georgia Tech are both more realistically comparable and parallel to us with regards to year after year overall talent hall and makeup. With that said, here at somewhere like state, I firmly believe that Kamario Taylor would thrive and be more effective in a current Vanderbilt or Georgia Tech OC led offense, way more than a Jeff Lebby led offense. Not even close

 

[Called3rdstrikedawg]

There were years and years when Big City Colleges could not win at football In the South.

vandy in Nashville
GT in Atlanta
Tulane in NO
Houston & Rice in Houston although Rice is back to sucking again.
Miami has had some good runs and some not so good runs.
Rutgers is the best New York/ New Jersey
Northwestern in Chicago still holds the record for the longest losing streak with Rice Right behind them.
UCLA has been up and down. USC had a run a few decades ago but cannot turn the corner now.
Remember when TCU and SMU were dregs of the Southwest Conference?

 

[CaptainFalcon]

Both teams are a situation with a ton of continuity from last year and coaches deeper into their run than Lebby.

I want to see what Vandy looks like post-Diego. He is their Dak, essentially.

I do like Brent Key at Tech. Their best win is also against a 3 loss Duke team.

 

[The Cooterpoot]

and they turned their programs around from worse situations than we had since we’ve hired High School Lebby.

I have no faith in this staff. Players are going to change anyway so we need to move on. There are coaches that have already been fired this season that would be better for us than what we have.

That was the worse coaching decision in the history of Mississippi State football and outside of some egregious things like Woody Hays choking a player, one of the worst coaching decisions in the history of the sport.

What a dumbass, we had the worst roster in P4 when Lebby got here and Vandy coach averaged 3 wins a year the first 3 years. GT was never that bad off, they just hired Juicy Geoff wh recruited but couldn't coach.

 

[bulldoghair]

What a dumbass, we had the worst roster in P4 when Lebby got here and Vandy coach averaged 3 wins a year the first 3 years. GT was never that bad off, they just hired Juicy Geoff wh recruited but couldn't coach.

Again, this is Vandy’s OC’s only 2nd year there. That is the difference as I’ve pointed out over and over. Tim Beck should be on our coaching search at least for sure. When you say Georgia Tech was never that bad off that they just made a bad hire with Geoff Collins…so who was their head head coach before that, and what offense did he run there?

 

[8dog]

Again, this is Vandy’s OC’s only 2nd year there. That is the difference as I’ve pointed out over and over. Tim Beck should be on our coaching search at least for sure. When you say Georgia Tech was never that bad off that they just made a bad hire with Geoff Collins…so who was their head head coach before that, and what offense did he run there?

But if you watch Vandy it’s also a lot of Pavia just balling. A guy like that is the difference in us being 6-1 instead of 4-3. Our scheme isn’t the issue

 

[bulldoghair]

But if you watch Vandy it’s also a lot of Pavia just balling. A guy like that is the difference in us being 6-1 instead of 4-3. Our scheme isn’t the issue

So is a Pavia more closer to like a Relf or a Fitzgerald style QB, or more of a NFL passer style skill set? Would a Relf or a Fitzgerald flourish more in the same Tim Beck offense, or a Jeff Lebby offense. Also again, who was the coach at Georgia Tech before the bad hire, as you say, and what type of schematic offense did he run?

 

[8dog]

So is a Pavia more closer to like a Relf or a Fitzgerald style QB, or more of a NFL passer style skill set? Would a Relf or a Fitzgerald flourish more in the same Tim Beck offense, or a Jeff Lebby offense. Also again, who was the coach at Georgia Tech before the bad hire, as you say, and what type of schematic offense did he run?

I didn’t say anything about GT. Pavia is a classic college star. Mobility. Can make throws. A lot like Trinidad Chambliss. Again we aren’t losing bc of our system. .

 

[The Cooterpoot]

Again, this is Vandy’s OC’s only 2nd year there. That is the difference as I’ve pointed out over and over. Tim Beck should be on our coaching search at least for sure. When you say Georgia Tech was never that bad off that they just made a bad hire with Geoff Collins…so who was their head head coach before that, and what offense did he run there?

Did I pull your string? And what's that got to do with the initial post I responded to? Fact remains, we had a worse situation and it's only year two. Go back to letting AI post for you

 

[bulldoghair]

I didn’t say anything about GT. Pavia is a classic college star. Mobility. Can make throws. A lot like Trinidad Chambliss. Again we aren’t losing bc of our system. .

Yes we are losing because of our system. It’s designed to work best at places with elite tale talent across the board year in and year out.

 

[The Cooterpoot]

Yes we are losing because of our system. It’s designed to work best at places with elite tale talent across the board year in and year out.

Our system puts up 40 yesterday if we had a damn QB

 

[bulldoghair]

Did I pull your string? And what's that got to do with the initial post I responded to? Fact remains, we had a worse situation and it's only year two.

You said, “GT was never that bad off, they just hired Juicy Geoff wh recruited but couldn't coach”
All I was asking was when you say Georgia Tech was never that bad off and that they just made a bad hire with Geoff Collins…so who was their head coach before that, and what offense did he run there? All I was asking.

 

[8dog]

Yes we are losing because of our system. It’s designed to work best at places with elite tale talent across the board year in and year out.

Not really. If we had an average pass blocking line and a qb that could hit wide open receivers we would be 6-1. I don’t think that’s an impossible ask. We missed 3 TD throws yesterday. That were not hard

 

[bulldoghair]

Not really. If we had an average pass blocking line and a qb that could hit wide open receivers we would be 6-1. I don’t think that’s an impossible ask. We missed 3 TD throws yesterday. That were not hard

Ok. If we had ___, and ___, we’d be blue blood national champions. How about we realize who we are, And then commit to to be the best within that reality. That’s what we have done in the past, and that’s what Vanderbilt and Georgia Tech have done most recently.

 

[8dog]

Ok. If we had ___, and ___, we’d be blue blood national champions.

That’s a straw man argument. Again an average OL and a qb that can hit wide open guys isn’t a huge ask. And the system isn’t the issue. It doesn’t require elite talent. I’m not asking for Joe Burrow.

 

[bulldoghair]

That’s a straw man argument. Again an average OL and a qb that can hit wide open guys isn’t a huge ask. And the system isn’t the issue. It doesn’t require elite talent. I’m not asking for Joe Burrow

It’s not a straw man. Lebby’s offense is asking differently of us than who we are year in and year out. How about let’s realize who we are, then commit to to be the best within that reality. That’s what we have done in the past, and that’s what Vanderbilt and Georgia Tech have done most recently.

 

[8dog]

It’s not a straw man. Lebby’s offense is asking differently if us than who we are year in and year out. How about let’s realize who we are, then commit to to be the best within that reality. That’s what we have done in the past, and that’s what Vanderbilt and Georgia Tech have done most recently.

Again. The guy schemed up 3 wide open guys in the end zone yesterday and our qb missed them. Against TN we scored enough. But our OL cost us on one play. We aren’t far off. We were our best with an NFL qb. And I’m not even asking for that.

 

[bulldoghair]

Again. The guy schemed up 3 wide open guys in the end zone yesterday and our qb missed them. Against TN we scored enough. But our OL cost us on one play. We aren’t far off. We were our best with an NFL qb. And I’m not even asking for that.

We were pretty damn good with Relf and Fitzgerald. Hell we beat Lamar Jackson with what’s his name. Just because you scheme up 3 wide open deep balls doesn’t mean you’re a successful offensive savant. Those are 50/50 balls at very best. Against Tennessee we might have scored enough, but again the nature of the offense gave them 14 points for free. Not to mention all the sacks and ****.

 

[8dog]

We were pretty damn good with Relf and Fitzgerald. Hell we beat Lamar Jackson with what’s his name. Just because you scheme up 3 wide open deep balls doesn’t mean you’re a successful offensive savant. Those are 50/50 balls at very best. Against Tennessee we might have scored enough, but again the nature of the offense gave them 14 points for free. Not to mention all the sacks and ****.

We just disagree. The system is good. There is a reason people run it. Our qb is just limited and our OL stinks. But yes getting receivers open is a positivr
For a coach

 

[The Cooterpoot]

It’s not a straw man. Lebby’s offense is asking differently of us than who we are year in and year out. How about let’s realize who we are, then commit to to be the best within that reality. That’s what we have done in the past, and that’s what Vanderbilt and Georgia Tech have done most recently.

You're the dumbest of the dumb. What did we do in the past? Run the ******* wishbone? Run spread offense everybody runs in some shape form or fashion? Dan Mullen couldn't even win in conference play here. Sherrill had a losing record. Who has won big doing something different? Not a damn soul! Leach never broke .500 in conference play, Mullen did one time. You can stop acting like we've had some great success doing **** different.

 

[bulldoghair]

You're the dumbest of the dumb. What did we do in the past? Run the ******* wishbone? Run spread offense everybody runs in some shape form or fashion? Dan Mullen couldn't even win in conference play here. Sherrill had a losing record. Who has won big doing something different? Not a damn soul! Leach never broke .500 in conference play, Mullen did one time. You can stop acting like we've had some great success doing **** different.

I would take what we’ve done in the past with Sherril, Mullen, and Leach over what we have now. You’re a dumbass.

 

[Podgy]

And they have a combined endowment of $13 billion

 

[OG Goat Holder]

You said, “GT was never that bad off, they just hired Juicy Geoff wh recruited but couldn't coach”
All I was asking was when you say Georgia Tech was never that bad off and that they just made a bad hire with Geoff Collins…so who was their head coach before that, and what offense did he run there? All I was asking.

I'm with you on the niche, but in today's game, the pass game has to be present. It's just suicide to not take advantage of the current rules protecting the QB and WR.

 

[bulldoghair]

I'm with you on the niche, but in today's game, the pass game has to be present. It's just suicide to not take advantage of the current rules protecting the QB and WR.

But I say also keep in mind, take advantage of, and even accentuate the newer rule changes that shortens the games, with the clock continuing to run after first downs and incomplete passes until the last 2 minutes of each half, and no more untimed downs. Playing to limit possessions helps the underdog to have a punchers chance.

 

[8dog]

But I say also keep in mind, take advantage of, and even accentuate the newer rule changes that shortens the games, with the clock continuing to run after first downs and incomplete passes until the last 2 minutes of each half, and no more untimed downs. Playing to limit possessions helps the underdog to have a punchers chance.

The clock still stops after an incomplete pass all game.

 

[Maroon13]

And they have a combined endowment of $13 billion

This what I keep coming back to

We can discuss schemes but it's college football. At the end of the day it is about talent. Quite frankly, I just don't think State has enough talent right now. We look small all over the field compared to other sec teams. So why is that? Lack of funds to purchase players?

I want to believe if Missouri, GT, VU and OM can compete at a high level we can too. But.... maybe we just need some stability in our HC position to raise more funds and make ends meet in talent acquisition.

 

[ETK99]

And they have a combined endowment of $13 billion

Endowment has nothing to do with NIL

 

[OG Goat Holder]

This what I keep coming back to

We can discuss schemes but it's college football. At the end of the day it is about talent. Quite frankly, I just don't think State has enough talent right now. We look small all over the field compared to other sec teams. So why is that? Lack of funds to purchase players?

I want to believe if Missouri, GT, VU and OM can compete at a high level we can too. But.... maybe we just need some stability in our HC position to raise more funds and make ends meet in talent acquisition.

Vandy and GT didn't just wake up and decide to start spending gobs of money. They never have led the way with that sort of thing.

It's coaching and good QBs (one of which shouldn't even be allowed to play right now).

 

[bulldoghair]

The clock still stops after an incomplete pass all game.

Yes. My bad. I meant to say that particular rule is under consideration as we speak. However the clock now continues to run after first downs.

 

[Podgy]

Endowment has nothing to do

Endowment has nothing to do with NIL

They have rich donors who can donate to NIL if they want to. Being a wealthy uni in a college football-loving region matters now. It beats not having a large endowment and fewer wealthy donors.

 

[Podgy]

Vandy and GT didn't just wake up and decide to start spending gobs of money. They never have led the way with that sort of thing.

It's coaching and good QBs (one of which shouldn't even be allowed to play right now).

Diego is making at least twice as much as Shapen. Vandy can afford it.

 

[Bulldawg77]

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