Grade Lebby so far
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Talk about a season with two halves. First 6 games had to be a B- or better even for the biggest detractor, but the last 6 games were an undeniable fat F
I give it a C- because the team’s 5 wins and performance against teams like the Vols and Texas exceeded my expectations, but man did he crap the bed in the second half of the year.
I give it a C- because the team’s 5 wins and performance against teams like the Vols and Texas exceeded my expectations, but man did he crap the bed in the second half of the year.
I honestly wouldn't know what to select here. However, I do like the "The grading scale does not go low enough" option. There's no way to sugarcoat this, but a losing season regardless of circumstances is a failure. Doesn't matter if it's at the high school, professional, or college level. The message is pretty clear - "Do better."
I gave him a C, but at least he's trying hard. Being a typically optimistic State fan, if we were to fire him, whoever picked him up would probably be getting the next Saban.
I genuinely think he has potential to be a great coach. Part of the risk in hiring a coordinator with no HC experience is the learning curve of taking the next step. There's no doubt he's brought excitement to the program, in a time where excitement was at it's lowest point in decades. If we don't get too trigger happy and just let him develop, he could do great things
The highest grade available should have been a C.
That said, I’m surprised folks put down B minus for him.
I gave him an F because his season is defined by conference performance.
Next year, it’ll be nine games which means F minus is in play.
Seriously? 1-15 and more than half of you guys give him C or better? This is why Mississippi State football suck. Our fanbase & administration have zero expectations or accountability for coaches.
It's a F. It has to be an F.
He's 1-15 after two seasons and that 1 was because the other team set their all time record in penalty yards. He personally blew the Florida & Texas games with bad play call decisions and then defended those decisions after each game.
Sly Croom who most agree was a terrible HC went 10-30 in the SEC, for a .250 winning percentage.
Jeff Lebby is 1-15 for a .062 winning percentage. He's literally exponentially worse than Croom.
He's 1-15 after two seasons and that 1 was because the other team set their all time record in penalty yards. He personally blew the Florida & Texas games with bad play call decisions and then defended those decisions after each game.
Sly Croom who most agree was a terrible HC went 10-30 in the SEC, for a .250 winning percentage.
Jeff Lebby is 1-15 for a .062 winning percentage. He's literally exponentially worse than Croom.
I don't see how anyone can give him anything other than an F. Yesterday was a decent day, but he's gotta stack decent days on top of decent days, and then show he can make a sane gameday coaching decision just to move to a D.
1-15 conference, two bad portal classes last year, ranked 10th of 16 signing classes in the SEC yesterday....
"But we're better" but not better than other teams huh? How can you grade him high?
"But we're better" but not better than other teams huh? How can you grade him high?
Great post and I'm glad you put the Croom comparison in there. It really helps to put things into perspective.
It was 10th of 16 in the conference, where it counts. When you've won 1 of 16 in the conference in the last 2 seasons 10th of 16 doesn't seem to help much
Lebby’s tempo needs elite offensive line play- and depth- that State simply cannot recruit or portal at a high enough level to compete week-to-week in the modern SEC. It’s not a realistic fit here. Sure against early non conference cupcakes it will produce “explosive” highlights that make most fans on here piss their pants with excitement, but then reality hits, along with the wear and tear, and exhaustion. Same issue with the defense, State can’t recruit or portal the amount and quality needed to withstand the quick turnaround or boomerang effect that their extreme tempo offense puts them in- most three-and-outs, quickest turnarounds, high leverage situations ect. It’s just not a realistic fit here. Lebby’s offense scheme affects the entire program in ways that are not fitting for a Mississippi State.
I went with C
Need to fix defense. Keep adding talent on the lines.
Offense is fine.
Need to fix defense. Keep adding talent on the lines.
Offense is fine.
I see it a little differently. The fact that he was able to get 10th place out of 16 after going 1-15 in the conference speaks about his recruiting ability. Now, if it is still 10 out of 16 years from now, that isn't going to work.
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The offense is the entire problem. It affects everything. It’s amazing how many can’t see or understand this. No offense brother.
I agree. It was decent in the sense that it was about 20-25 ranking points higher at the end of the day than it was at the beginning of the day.
Offense is fine. Offensive playcalling is the shlts.
Does this include recruiting too? I'd give him a B- there. For the first 5 games I'll give him a B+, maybe even an A-. The last 7? Can you get any lower than a F? Overall I'll give him a C.
The transfer portal is making this recruiting ranking less relevant than it already was.
I gave him a D instead of a F only because he inherited an absolute pile of doo doo from Arnett and the others involved in that shite show. We could've been 8-4 this year, and at least should've been 6-6 and bowling. His refusal to make any changes to staff, especially on defense, after that 2-10, 0-8 showing was not good. His hiring of Hutzler started his whole regime off with a bad taste. In no way ever should a position coach that has never called defense be hired as an SEC coordinator, nor should they be given a million plus dollars guaranteed for 3 years to do it. Why did he hire Hutzler? Because they were buddies, he got shot down by other candidates and that's all he could get(which I don't believe because he could've gotten a successful DC from a G5 school that had actually called a defense before), or something else? I don't know the answer to that. He has a chance to fix it now which he'd better do, or he will be job hunting this time next year.
I'm going "C-"
first half of the season provided promise.....then hey faced some tough teams, and kept us in ti, but then, just really dumb decisions, and the Mizzou game happened
He crawled back by starting "KT", and I think he performed well yesterday with NSD
*I think the players believe in him, and he gets them to play tough.....so if he will up his coach decision making category, then, we see better next year
first half of the season provided promise.....then hey faced some tough teams, and kept us in ti, but then, just really dumb decisions, and the Mizzou game happened
He crawled back by starting "KT", and I think he performed well yesterday with NSD
*I think the players believe in him, and he gets them to play tough.....so if he will up his coach decision making category, then, we see better next year
I said D. I think we’ve shown very marginal improvement and are in a better spot than we were two years ago. Kamario alone is a lot to be optimistic about.
But we should have been in a bowl game this year and we won’t be. And the coaching staff is a problem that he’s gotta show he can fix/better assemble. And a lot of roster holes to be fixed via the portal, going into year where you play 9 conference games + a Big 10 road game. Minnesota is no world beater but they did go 7-5 with a freshman QB this year, I don’t think this staff has built up enough trust for us to assume that’s a guaranteed win.
I think everyone is at best on the fence with him, and many probably think he can’t get it done.
But we should have been in a bowl game this year and we won’t be. And the coaching staff is a problem that he’s gotta show he can fix/better assemble. And a lot of roster holes to be fixed via the portal, going into year where you play 9 conference games + a Big 10 road game. Minnesota is no world beater but they did go 7-5 with a freshman QB this year, I don’t think this staff has built up enough trust for us to assume that’s a guaranteed win.
I think everyone is at best on the fence with him, and many probably think he can’t get it done.
I see no one has voted for A yet… so I’m guessing Mrs. Lebby, I mean paindonthurt, has not voted yet****
I don't think I have ever seen Bonzo post here before, but you are apparently a very optimistic person. Please share your optimism with us. We need it this season. We promise we won't bite, at least not a big, painful bite.
C- for the improvement over last year. I've said this before, but this is the biggest rebuild I have ever seen at MSU, and I date back to Bob Tyler. The previous two regimes left the cupboard seriously depleted. I'm still on the fence overall. I'm going to wait and see what next year brings before getting off of it.
D. Positives: 1) Improved from Arnett disaster, 2) passing game 3) throwing deep some , but he or Shapen turned this into a somewhat negative, see below.
Negatives: 1) OL and DL were weak, ? bad evaluation or just couldn't get the players, 2) hung defense out to dry by fast paced offence, 3) In game decisions like 17ing Florida game and going for it on 4th from own 20 in MO game, 4) might have thrown deep a little too often, every pass doesn't have to be a homerun ball, but was this Shapen? Put offence behind the chains too many times when incomplete.5) Time management errors.
Negatives: 1) OL and DL were weak, ? bad evaluation or just couldn't get the players, 2) hung defense out to dry by fast paced offence, 3) In game decisions like 17ing Florida game and going for it on 4th from own 20 in MO game, 4) might have thrown deep a little too often, every pass doesn't have to be a homerun ball, but was this Shapen? Put offence behind the chains too many times when incomplete.5) Time management errors.
How so? Arnett went 5-7 (1-7). That's what Lebby accomplished in year 2. Where is the improvement?
I’d like to see the B voter’s wife. Woof, talk about low standards.
D-
D-
First, you get a F for reading comprehension. We didn't play 16 games this season. The grade is for this season.
Second, we do have expectations. Really low expectations. I was expecting 3 wins, maybe 4. Yes, the schedule ended up being easier than expected, but still, last year we looked like we had players who have never played and coaches who have never coached. This year, we improved to where it looked like we had players who had played before and coaches who had coached before. Maybe they didn't look like they had ever played well before, but it didn't look like their first time on the field or sideline. That improvement combined with low expectations gets a C- to me. D is failing (i.e., firing). C- is just passing. If he gets us to 6 wins next year, I expect that will earn him a C+ or possibly even B- depending on how the schedule turns out.
Lebby had to rebuild the entire roster. It was at basically zero when he was hired. No way he could have won more that he did his first year.
No it's not. Not even close. The Rockey years, the end of the Sherrill years and the Croom years were all much worse.
D at best. He don’t know what he don’t know and apparently doesn’t learn from his mistakes at least not til very recently.
I was going to post the "Zero point Zero" gif, but I guess he earned some points for beating ASU and taking the UTs to OT. Still can't see giving him a passing grade. (pun intended)
I dont give him any credit for beating Arkansas. That game reminded me of the videos where teams let the kid with Downs' Syndrome score a TD.
I dont give him any credit for beating Arkansas. That game reminded me of the videos where teams let the kid with Downs' Syndrome score a TD.