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We have some of "our fans" on premium calling K a gutless coward
Grayson Suspended Indefinitely by Duke....
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You could make the same excuse for someone with a gun in their hand pulling a trigger, or a man punching a woman.
And just because the 3 players he tripped did not get hurt does not mean they could not have been hurt.
That is the problem here. Everyone on the court is playing a game not expecting to be tripped. When you don't expect something to happen as an athlete, that is normally when you get hurt.
The sad part is, as bad as it is that he tripped a 3rd player for no reason, his reaction afterward is most troublesome.
The jury is still out on whether he is truly sorry.
You could actually ask does he really even understand what he did?
The jury is not out on if he is truly sorry, if you ask me: it seems clear, by both his words and his actions, that he is.
And you can ask if he knows what he did, and the answer is most assuredly "yes."
He is a 21 year old athlete with a temper problem. He isn't a sociopath or completely divorced from reality.
And you can ask if he knows what he did, and the answer is most assuredly "yes."
He is a 21 year old athlete with a temper problem. He isn't a sociopath or completely divorced from reality.
All those allegations of sexual assault was just locker room talk, huh?
#allfirematters
None of us makes the best decisions at that age... and when we got caught, we got ripped for those decisions, as we should have. It's not forgetting that we were young once, too; it's remembering what helped us grow out of it. Contrary to popular belief, we don't just grow out of these things naturally. I'd point to countless immature adults who clearly never did grow out of it as examples. No, we grow out of it b/c we're held accountable and people don't put up with our young, immature BS.
However, that faith you mention explicitly is important, and the love and compassion implied. Our own parents, coaches, teachers, and other mentors were instrumental in our eventually growing out of such stupidity. They clearly cared for us. That matters more than all the unrestrained retributive actions by others.
Yeah, great article. That it was from Doyel, a writer I've avoided calling by name for years in protest, is very unfamiliar.
Dude, do you get your takes almost verbatim from Steven A? lol
1000 wins and 5 national titles... and his words to the Oregon player 12 games ago is what opened him up for this. Sure.
To have expected K to go into full disciplinarian mode in the middle of the game is ridiculous. As for his "not a real strong statement of denouncing of the actions," he denounced it in the postgame, and he denounced it the next day... while announcing his indefinite suspension! What more would you ask for?
Way to early to discuss whether he will be back or not, but if the hatred and negative attention is getting to him this much then I don't see how he comes back, unless he isn't going to be drafted completely and needs more time to prove he has changed. He is a kid who truly wants to be liked & isn't cut from the same old as a Laettner or Redick. Grayson has a lot to lose from all of this & how he responds to it will decide his future.
LOL. What is it with you kitty cats and your strange complex. You all try and act as if Kentucky gets no calls/breaks and that everyone is out to get only YOU. Just stop it. You play in an absolute s**t conference that allows you to rack up wins every year and yes, Kentucky gets more than their share of home cooking. Get lost.
How about maybe K didn't even see everything until he was able to review it after the fact?? You haters are something else.
Not to mention the Tar Hole academic scandal that is slowly being swept under the rug.
http://sports.yahoo.com/news/grayso...-not-defend-his-tripping-habit-224235551.html
Another interesting perspective from Grayson's high school coaches.
Another interesting perspective from Grayson's high school coaches.
I had a similar observation about Justise Winslow's two foot-related fouls a couple seasons ago: reaching out with an arm is a commonplace, forgettable foul; might doing so with a foot be similar, just more alarming-looking? I mean, had he done basically the same thing, but with a hip, or a knee, or an arm, or if his foot was planting instead of being in the air when the Elon player hit it...
Everyone involved knows him extremely well. They will handle it and he will come back and play the rest of his career without problems.He's a fierce competitor.
Coach K suspended him. He can DO whatever Coach k says he can do. Coach is trying to get through to him on this, what people don't seem to understand, Coach K is a private person and he's not going to toss out every little detail when it comes to issues like this. K is a pro at dealing with young men and helping them see the light , Ive seen it so many times.
Which is so refreshing nowadays. It drives the media nuts, and I love it.
Coach K should have suspended him after the second tripping incident. Had that happened, this would be in the rear view mirror as we speak. When Williams and Bilas comment on a national broadcast, it is past time to act.
Are you serious? C'mon, dude....you're looking more stupid in this post than in the last. And that's not easy.
So a "report" is what you're basing this off of? And how in holy hell were you able to glean from Wednesday night that "K sure looked like he was defending the behavior" when he was arguing with the ref? Are you f'ing kidding me.
The bottom line is that no matter what Coach K did --- NO MATTER WHAT!!! --- you weren't going to like it or were going to find fault. It's like the idiots at THR yesterday. First, they said Coach K wouldn't do anything, then when he suspended Grayson indefinitely they changed their narrative to say it wasn't enough or that he was caving to the pressure. Stop being so damn stupid!
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The first two were very different, though. Hardly the same thing at all. The second one was blatantly retaliatory. There could have been a double tech on that one. Three is three, whatever the differences.
I stayed away intentionally so I could flesh out some reasons and things being said around the program.
Some thoughts and things I have heard:
1. Someone mentioned this already, GA does NOT have the same mindset as Laettner or Redick. He does NOT thrive on the hatred and boos. It drives him crazy.
2. The pressure is and has absolutely gotten to him. Preseason player of the year? All american? Bad. But the pressure he puts on himself is harder (imo) which brings us to the outburst...
3. I have heard and deduced the outburst after the trip stems from the pressure he puts on himself. He was already upset on the court and for and split second he lost control and tripped. Not excusing it by any means, that is just what happened. The REASON he got so upset after is that he realized he had made a big mistake, something I am sure he had promised he would never do again. Then the pressure exploded. He had done what he swore he would never do.
4. Lastly, the suspension is exactly what he needs. He needs to realize that the pressure does not have to be on his shoulders. The team will survive without him. He needs to see that.
I don't mean any of this to excuse what he did. It was despicable and embarrassing for both he and Duke. Just trying to paint a picture.
Some thoughts and things I have heard:
1. Someone mentioned this already, GA does NOT have the same mindset as Laettner or Redick. He does NOT thrive on the hatred and boos. It drives him crazy.
2. The pressure is and has absolutely gotten to him. Preseason player of the year? All american? Bad. But the pressure he puts on himself is harder (imo) which brings us to the outburst...
3. I have heard and deduced the outburst after the trip stems from the pressure he puts on himself. He was already upset on the court and for and split second he lost control and tripped. Not excusing it by any means, that is just what happened. The REASON he got so upset after is that he realized he had made a big mistake, something I am sure he had promised he would never do again. Then the pressure exploded. He had done what he swore he would never do.
4. Lastly, the suspension is exactly what he needs. He needs to realize that the pressure does not have to be on his shoulders. The team will survive without him. He needs to see that.
I don't mean any of this to excuse what he did. It was despicable and embarrassing for both he and Duke. Just trying to paint a picture.
Why would Coach K even put the kid back into the game after this kind of behavior. Im disappointed in Coach K! What would Coach K say if this was a kid from another school playing him?
When Coach K started giving the Oregon kid advice on behavior then he needed to be willing to do what was right on his end. Allen should have never gone back into the game and why he did is beyond reason. I love Coach K, but for once he is wrong!
It would have been resolved with the young man turning it around or going the other route and being dismissed. I would imagine everyone understands that when Coach K puts his foot down, he means business. He is not the most successful college coach by accident.
I was disappointed K put Grayson back in the game. Beyond that, I love how he has dealt with everything since then. Love it that K doesn't give the media what they want and publicly pile on the kid. Love it that he's still looking out for him. Media wants K to be apologetic lol get the hell out of here.
I didn't agree with K putting him back in the game. That said, it's over and done with. There's nothing you or I can change about it now. And I'm sorry you're disappointed. It breaks my heart you feel that way.
I didn't (don't) have time to read all the posts in this thread. What Grayson did was immature, childish, disrespectul, stupid...(you name it), and it has to stop. But, he hasn't bit any ears off or caved any faces in yet so I don't think he needs to be officially executed. A suspension of 1, 2, or 3 games seems about in order. Don't think Grayson is a bad kid, just immature, and lacking discipline. I suspect, and hope, that can be remedied by some old fashioned discipline. He'll learn or he'll be gone.
Oh, petulant behavior doesn't just apply to players. Coaches (plenty old enough to know better) constantly getting away with behavior that would land their players in trouble.
Ol'Roy's coat tossing incident against UK...didn't see any punishment handed down. A button, or pen in the pocket, etc. could have scratched the eye of his player when it hit him.
And Roy also threw a coat in anger against William & Mary in 2014 (probably others). See a pattern? See any punishment? Hear any outroar? Of course not. And UNC fans (THR?) complain about K, Grayson, & Duke...while having no problem with this...even applauding it. Give me a damn break.
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Oh, petulant behavior doesn't just apply to players. Coaches (plenty old enough to know better) constantly getting away with behavior that would land their players in trouble.
Ol'Roy's coat tossing incident against UK...didn't see any punishment handed down. A button, or pen in the pocket, etc. could have scratched the eye of his player when it hit him.
And Roy also threw a coat in anger against William & Mary in 2014 (probably others). See a pattern? See any punishment? Hear any outroar? Of course not. And UNC fans (THR?) complain about K, Grayson, & Duke...while having no problem with this...even applauding it. Give me a damn break.
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He should be kicked off the team????... geez come on people I hope some of y'all aren't parents!
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He has answered that: He didn't really know the entirety of it until looking at it afterward.
How is that a valid comparison? He son'd an opposing player for obnoxious behavior and suspended his own player indefinitely for potentially harmful behavior.
The one time he was wrong that you've identified was in speaking to an opposing player in a critical way.
hi all and merry christmas to all. k handled this appropriately and hope ga responds with changed behavior. does not appear to be calculated, just impulsive. ncaa and acc should stay clear.
seems i am now a devils illustrated hall of famer! wonder how this happened. either a tech glitch or di is desperate for members....
seems i am now a devils illustrated hall of famer! wonder how this happened. either a tech glitch or di is desperate for members....
You don't know it wouldn't. It certainly would have saved Coach K and the program embarrassment.
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