Yes, it’s your job to offer proof of an argument you make. Sorry, that’s how arguments work.
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Yes, it’s your job to offer proof of an argument you make. Sorry, that’s how arguments work.
You turkeys heard this stuff from me on crime starting in late 2023 and on ODs 12-15 months ago.
This was obviously coming.
More info coming out Dtrain. We might be over sensationalizing this. At the same time, I think you are minimizing what was going on at that island and in New Mexico. What were the gynos doing for Epstein? According to emails, it looks like he was sending victims to more than 1.
Jeffrey Epstein made regular payments to Ohio State head of gynecology, records show
COLUMBUS, Ohio (WCMH) — Convicted sex offender Jeffrey Epstein paid Ohio State University’s head of gynecology quarterly payments of thousands of dollars, Department of Justice files sh…www.nbc4i.com
The hype machine on these from Bangladeshi Twitter accounts is going to be off the charts.
There was no conspiracy. I cite to the lawyer who literally represented 200 victims saying it after close to 20 years of litigation, and it’s dismissed in favor of Twitter accounts.
Your buddy on this wants to believe because he hates both political parties so far as I can tell. Still doesn’t make it true.
Many, many people need to leave “politics as a hobby.” That’s not directed at you.
And deranged Dteain is unable to read a graph. Deaths have dropped off a cliff - a real band pass filter. There is a gentle decline and data that can obviously be correlated to a truly secure border and an administration determined to stop drug runners.
Full credit to Trump
I think you replied to the wrong thread.
I actually know the data on this. I will provide it. It lags btw.
Here is the actual data, which I already knew. The number from each month is a rolling 12 month average.
1. OD deaths peaked at about 111K annually in the month of October 2023.
2. When Trump took office in January 2025, that number was down 32K to 79K.
3. The most recent month reported is for ODs through August 2025. It is down another 7K from January to 72K.
80% of the decline occurred under Biden. Full credit to Trump for sure.
Btw, none of this had anything to do with a President. It spiked due to Covid-induced chaos in people’s lives. Most of that is the disruption caused by shutdowns I believe, so hold whoever was shutting down responsible.
www.cdc.gov
1. OD deaths peaked at about 111K annually in the month of October 2023.
2. When Trump took office in January 2025, that number was down 32K to 79K.
3. The most recent month reported is for ODs through August 2025. It is down another 7K from January to 72K.
80% of the decline occurred under Biden. Full credit to Trump for sure.
Btw, none of this had anything to do with a President. It spiked due to Covid-induced chaos in people’s lives. Most of that is the disruption caused by shutdowns I believe, so hold whoever was shutting down responsible.
Products - Vital Statistics Rapid Release - Provisional Drug Overdose Data
Map and trend line show provisional national counts and state-level percent changes in overdose deaths—updated monthly
www.cdc.gov
Here’s another source on the big OD drop starting in the second half of 2023.
Ironically, I did predict mid last year the Trump fans would be crowing about the crime and OD drops in 2025 (continuing trends that began in 2022 and 2023 respectively).
It would be hilarious if it weren’t so sad that reality can’t pierce political arguments, whether it be Trump’s war on drugs (a good thing, tho maybe it could be less lethal in interdiction) or Epstein.
Ironically, I did predict mid last year the Trump fans would be crowing about the crime and OD drops in 2025 (continuing trends that began in 2022 and 2023 respectively).
It would be hilarious if it weren’t so sad that reality can’t pierce political arguments, whether it be Trump’s war on drugs (a good thing, tho maybe it could be less lethal in interdiction) or Epstein.
Of course crime started going down, but that significant drop in Fentanyl is from Trump shutting down the border. His eo’s stopped human trafficking at the border, drugs coming through the open border, etc.
Ahh…. The hyena is back…. What exactly is funny about this post, semi-elite?
I gave you a like although I have no problem with the war on drugs being lethal business. I think that makes it more effective.
The rule of law says make arrests. I appreciate alternative impulses but ultimately my fealty lies with the law (not due to my profession).
This is a very complicated topic but yes it’s absolutely good Trump is targeting fentanyl. Biden did late in his term as well, but as with most problems these days Dems like to pretend they don’t exist even when they are taking action against them. Very weird.
To summarize DTrains current argument:
-References Bangladeshi accounts that nobody actually posted
-Appeals to authority despite new information made available
-Sprinkling of some humorous ad hominem attacks
A logical fallacy trifecta!!
-References Bangladeshi accounts that nobody actually posted
-Appeals to authority despite new information made available
-Sprinkling of some humorous ad hominem attacks
A logical fallacy trifecta!!
I am under the impression when POTUS designates the drug cartels as terrorist organizations, his power becomes very broad.
Also, Article 2.
Article II of the U.S. Constitution: The president has inherent authority as Commander-in-Chief to defend against imminent threats
I am guessing he is the one who decides what is an imminent threat?
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It is not an appeal to authority to cite the person who spent the last 17 years suing Epstein and his cronies/business associates. He is actually capable of testifying to the facts of the case. You are not. You refuse to over evidence and rely on baseless speculation with zero support from actual facts. I could start with the fact that only two people were charged with Epstein’s crimes. Or note that the sane victims - who could provide ample support of your views - do not do so after years of opportunity.
You’ve disgraced yourself in the last two days, to the point where I now realize years of amusing posts directed at TJ had far less basis in reality than I previously thought.
As for the Bangladeshi jokes, it is very real that social media accounts started by random foreigners which are paid for engagement try to get traction among US audiences. Many popular MAGA superfan accounts are this. I have no doubt that a lot of the Twitter accounts now churning Epstein content are the same, there’s money to be made and you don’t need as much in Bangladesh to live. I’d be embarrassed if I were citing information from these, but you apparently care much more about protecting your ego than addressing reality.
Congrats on shredding your credibility for fantasies.
Ya, I am guessing tomorrow is the wrong time to go to Cabo for the weekend. Hopefully, any problems wait for me to return next Monday.
Thanks for the data. Trump's conquest of Venezuela, closure of the border, lethal force on drug runners, and robust economy will solidify these gains. I'm not sure why you don't like Trump.
While the idiots on the extreme sides of both parties have argued about “climate change” over the years, I’ve been warning you guys that the real issue is going to be access to fresh water. Well, several states out west better get ready for the water restrictions I’ve warned about, and the impact those will have on agriculture and other industries. Better be prepared for wildfires too.
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-Many of the victims have been exposed of trafficking others as well. That has been pointed out by the releases this past weekend. You’re willing to believe all these victims were for two people? I am not. The language, code words, and subjects being talked about in these recent releases are horrific. I realize a disturbing email isn’t sufficient evidence to prosecute someone, but am I supposed to believe Epstein was talking about this stuff to himself? Others were involved.
-I haven’t shared any unscrupulous accounts on this subject except perhaps the Super Bowl joke and that was pretty obviously a joke. I follow what has been published by govt officials.
-More personal attacks. I actually think they’re funny, but not sure what that adds to your argument. You’ve exaggerated my actual stance on what I think happened in the process. I’ve never stated this was some kind of global sex trafficking operation. I said horrible things happened on Epstein properties and I believe Epstein was used to honey trap important people. I don’t believe that only two people are accountable.
This is exactly the type of jobs report conservatives should celebrate. 42000 GOVERNMENT jobs eliminated. Meanwhile, the experts forecast private sector gains of 70k and where only short 100k! Job growth is key for Trump and it appears to be gaining steam - as Scott B. told people.
Re Fox News. About 6pm I started watching Fox cable news and it was non stop Nancy Guthrie case. The host would have 2-3 experts discuss the case and then immediately transition to new experts and discuss the same things all over again. The discussion was about the video and every thing the perp did wrong and also all the tools the FBI/police have to uncover the identity.
At 6pm they were all saying, including the experts, that it was just a matter of time, the swat team was loading into vehicles and heading out, etc. At 7:30pm it was announced the police had a suspect of interest in custody and they went into overdrive talking about how inevitable it all was, how the video was the big breakthrough, etc.
Except this morning the person of interest is released and probably was a mistake. According to the internet, a relative saw the eyebrows in the video and notified police about him. Apparently wrong eyebrows. Fox News is falling back on something Kash Patel said around 6:30pm that they have several persons of interest.
I get it cable news is entertainment but it just seemed so over the top, including nonstop expert speculation. Even the NYT was dropping news alerts, it was/is a media feeding frenzy.
I hope they catch the guy(s) today and she is alive. I think I will not watch cable news till this is over!
At 6pm they were all saying, including the experts, that it was just a matter of time, the swat team was loading into vehicles and heading out, etc. At 7:30pm it was announced the police had a suspect of interest in custody and they went into overdrive talking about how inevitable it all was, how the video was the big breakthrough, etc.
Except this morning the person of interest is released and probably was a mistake. According to the internet, a relative saw the eyebrows in the video and notified police about him. Apparently wrong eyebrows. Fox News is falling back on something Kash Patel said around 6:30pm that they have several persons of interest.
I get it cable news is entertainment but it just seemed so over the top, including nonstop expert speculation. Even the NYT was dropping news alerts, it was/is a media feeding frenzy.
I hope they catch the guy(s) today and she is alive. I think I will not watch cable news till this is over!
The chances of her being alive seem close to zero.
Silly posts on water by Squishy. Is he just now learning that water is critical? Arizona has always been at the forefront of water until the current occupant of the Governor's office stole it and surrendered hard won water rights.
Yes, squish, water is very important. Did you know wars have been fought over water for the millennia? Did you know the current paths of canals in Arizona follow routes forged a thousand years ago by Native Americans? Yep, engineers sought the best routes in Arizona in the early 20th century and found that they were just copying routes pioneered long ago.
Yes, water is important. Great you are finally past the climate distraction which occupied your mind for years. Thank God for Trump for squashing that nonsense. Too late for the tens of billions auto companies lost on the scam.
California is doing great water - wise. Nature of the beast.
Where California's reservoir levels stand going into 2026
Shasta Lake, the largest reservoir in California, hit full capacity in the spring of 2025.
Swathi Chirra/Getty Images
After weeks of relentless winter storms, all of California’s key reservoirs are swelling past their historical levels for this time of year.
California’s largest reservoir, Shasta Lake, is at 123% of its historical average for this time of year, measuring at 72% capacity as of Monday, according to the California Department of Water Resources.
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The reservoir’s current surface elevation is 1,019 feet, which is not far from its full capacity, according to Monday data from the Bureau of Reclamation, the agency that oversees the reservoir. When Shasta is full, the elevation is 1,067 feet above sea level.
Yes, squish, water is very important. Did you know wars have been fought over water for the millennia? Did you know the current paths of canals in Arizona follow routes forged a thousand years ago by Native Americans? Yep, engineers sought the best routes in Arizona in the early 20th century and found that they were just copying routes pioneered long ago.
Yes, water is important. Great you are finally past the climate distraction which occupied your mind for years. Thank God for Trump for squashing that nonsense. Too late for the tens of billions auto companies lost on the scam.
California is doing great water - wise. Nature of the beast.
Where California's reservoir levels stand going into 2026
Where California's reservoir levels stand going into 2026
Shasta Lake, the largest reservoir in California, hit full capacity in the spring of 2025.
Swathi Chirra/Getty Images
After weeks of relentless winter storms, all of California’s key reservoirs are swelling past their historical levels for this time of year.
California’s largest reservoir, Shasta Lake, is at 123% of its historical average for this time of year, measuring at 72% capacity as of Monday, according to the California Department of Water Resources.
Article continues below this ad
The reservoir’s current surface elevation is 1,019 feet, which is not far from its full capacity, according to Monday data from the Bureau of Reclamation, the agency that oversees the reservoir. When Shasta is full, the elevation is 1,067 feet above sea level.
Silly posts on water by Squishy. Is he just now learning that water is critical? Arizona has always been at the forefront of water until the current occupant of the Governor's office stole it and surrendered hard won water rights.
Yes, squish, water is very important. Did you know wars have been fought over water for the millennia? Did you know the current paths of canals in Arizona follow routes forged a thousand years ago by Native Americans? Yep, engineers sought the best routes in Arizona in the early 20th century and found that they were just copying routes pioneered long ago.
Yes, water is important. Great you are finally past the climate distraction which occupied your mind for years. Thank God for Trump for squashing that nonsense. Too late for the tens of billions auto companies lost on the scam.
California is doing great water - wise. Nature of the beast.
Where California's reservoir levels stand going into 2026
Where California's reservoir levels stand going into 2026
Shasta Lake, the largest reservoir in California, hit full capacity in the spring of 2025.
Swathi Chirra/Getty Images
After weeks of relentless winter storms, all of California’s key reservoirs are swelling past their historical levels for this time of year.
California’s largest reservoir, Shasta Lake, is at 123% of its historical average for this time of year, measuring at 72% capacity as of Monday, according to the California Department of Water Resources.
Article continues below this ad
The reservoir’s current surface elevation is 1,019 feet, which is not far from its full capacity, according to Monday data from the Bureau of Reclamation, the agency that oversees the reservoir. When Shasta is full, the elevation is 1,067 feet above sea level.
I’ve never talked about climate change. I’ve always talked about water.
You have always tried to change my position, probably because you are one of the millions of idiots that lives in Arizona and depends on other states for water.
Yup, they become obsessed.
I am sure this story is making the MSM angry as they have to take a break from Epstein, Epstein, Epstein
Rill, I hate to state the obvious, but two days ago you were restating my(and others) position on Epstein victims.
We are constantly on water restriction. Although we had a very wet summer last year.Silly posts on water by Squishy. Is he just now learning that water is critical? Arizona has always been at the forefront of water until the current occupant of the Governor's office stole it and surrendered hard won water rights.
Yes, squish, water is very important. Did you know wars have been fought over water for the millennia? Did you know the current paths of canals in Arizona follow routes forged a thousand years ago by Native Americans? Yep, engineers sought the best routes in Arizona in the early 20th century and found that they were just copying routes pioneered long ago.
Yes, water is important. Great you are finally past the climate distraction which occupied your mind for years. Thank God for Trump for squashing that nonsense. Too late for the tens of billions auto companies lost on the scam.
California is doing great water - wise. Nature of the beast.
Where California's reservoir levels stand going into 2026
Where California's reservoir levels stand going into 2026
Shasta Lake, the largest reservoir in California, hit full capacity in the spring of 2025.
Swathi Chirra/Getty Images
After weeks of relentless winter storms, all of California’s key reservoirs are swelling past their historical levels for this time of year.
California’s largest reservoir, Shasta Lake, is at 123% of its historical average for this time of year, measuring at 72% capacity as of Monday, according to the California Department of Water Resources.
Article continues below this ad
The reservoir’s current surface elevation is 1,019 feet, which is not far from its full capacity, according to Monday data from the Bureau of Reclamation, the agency that oversees the reservoir. When Shasta is full, the elevation is 1,067 feet above sea level.
Lowest government employment since Jeff was around 5 years old! Note that 1965 is when that liberal LBJ crap got rolling.
It is strange for sure. There are many things that occur with both sides of the aisle of that I truly do not understand the why.
There are always news segments that happen where I just flip the channel. 24 hour news networks tend to beat dead horses daily. They latch on to one event and lose sight of the fact that there is a whole world of news happening. Well, it makes them money, I guess.
Newsom and the California left will find a way to ruin the great news.Silly posts on water by Squishy. Is he just now learning that water is critical? Arizona has always been at the forefront of water until the current occupant of the Governor's office stole it and surrendered hard won water rights.
Yes, squish, water is very important. Did you know wars have been fought over water for the millennia? Did you know the current paths of canals in Arizona follow routes forged a thousand years ago by Native Americans? Yep, engineers sought the best routes in Arizona in the early 20th century and found that they were just copying routes pioneered long ago.
Yes, water is important. Great you are finally past the climate distraction which occupied your mind for years. Thank God for Trump for squashing that nonsense. Too late for the tens of billions auto companies lost on the scam.
California is doing great water - wise. Nature of the beast.
Where California's reservoir levels stand going into 2026
Where California's reservoir levels stand going into 2026
Shasta Lake, the largest reservoir in California, hit full capacity in the spring of 2025.
Swathi Chirra/Getty Images
After weeks of relentless winter storms, all of California’s key reservoirs are swelling past their historical levels for this time of year.
California’s largest reservoir, Shasta Lake, is at 123% of its historical average for this time of year, measuring at 72% capacity as of Monday, according to the California Department of Water Resources.
Article continues below this ad
The reservoir’s current surface elevation is 1,019 feet, which is not far from its full capacity, according to Monday data from the Bureau of Reclamation, the agency that oversees the reservoir. When Shasta is full, the elevation is 1,067 feet above sea level.