Hearing,

[Drebin]

A program like OM (or MSU and dozens of other programs) would have little to no effect on the stability of the NCAA football economy if they were punished harshly for a few years. It gives them the opportunity to give the appearance that the NCAA actually enforces the rules they come up with without rocking the boat by pissing off a program that actually matters financially.

Like Ohio State?

The NCAA has taken a beating lately. Someone on here even called them toothless. They are embarrassed over the Miami thing, but they are not helpless. And if they get the goods on Ole Miss (or if they were looking into us, I would be saying the same thing), the SEC won't be able to keep them from lowering the boom.

 

[RebFan.sixpack]

That's my point exactly, you can't lay the lack of institutional control on a President, AD, and Coach that are no longer there. As a matter of fact, I would guess the NCAA would think its a huge waste of time to investigate a program that was in the ******* during the yrs of which you speak. Like I said, who could possibly care about what ANY former coach did? I wouldn't give $0.05 to hear what MSU was doing when Jackie was there

 

[engie]

This is exactly right.

There is no statute of limitations on NCAA infractions. Otherwise, Al Golden and Lane Kiffin would be the most pissed off guys imaginable. None of the alleged infractions at either institution took place under their watch...

 

[RebFan.sixpack]

Oh Engie, it appears as if your ED brotha has just contradicted your stories. This out to be a wonderfully thought out, point-by-point (with statistics) explanation of why he is mistaken, and has different sources. 3, 2, 1 go...

 

[RebFan.sixpack]

Right, but what about the NCAA's "new punitive structure" you referred to earlier? Read back through your posts if you need help

 

[hatfieldms]

Not sure what can be added to your brilliant defense

.....

 

[Wooly17er]

You are serving up a mighty big helping of crow here, son. Comments like "who could possibly care about what ANY former coach did" are going to be hard to swallow when the hammer comes down. And the NCAA is going to make Ole Miss pay much more than $0.05 when they hear what was happening at Olemiss when Orgeron and Nutt were in town.

 

[ckDOG]

What if there is a network of boosters common to all admins/staffs?

I have no clue what the rules are regarding that, but if there was an organized system of people who are not employees of the University who facilitated the recruiting violations across the different eras of OM football, I would suspect the NCAA would treat that similar as they would in a "lack of institutional control" case. The institution isn't the University, but another institution that directly impacts the football program. Even if these things happen in secrecy and no admin/staff was able to detect and put an end to it, I doubt the NCAA gives that a free pass. That's basically them saying organized cheating is okay as long as the administrations can claim they were duped.

 

[Wicked Pissah]

not ended up sucking hind tit?

Gold

 

[messageboardsuperhero]

That's my point exactly, you can't lay the lack of institutional control on a President, AD, and Coach that are no longer there. As a matter of fact, I would guess the NCAA would think its a huge waste of time to investigate a program that was in the ******* during the yrs of which you speak. Like I said, who could possibly care about what ANY former coach did? I wouldn't give $0.05 to hear what MSU was doing when Jackie was there

Isn't that what the NCAA did just a year ago to Penn State? Sandusky's shower rape cover-up happened in 2002, but PSU got punished 10 years later for it. All PSU's leaders at the time of the cover-up were gone when the sanctions hit, but the university was still held responsible.

I know that was a different and more extreme case, but don't act like there isn't a precedent for that. It has happened before. I'm not pretending to know what the NCAA will find or do, but don't think something discovered from the Nutt era is of no concern just because he's gone.

 

[Firecaptain4]

I'm not trying to insult the NCAA by calling them toothless but take a look at the recent past. Oregon slap on the wrist, Miami nothing of substance, Tennessee nothing, Auburn nothing and y'all know they should have been smashed and State a slap on the wrist that in all honesty probably was too harsh because of some rouge booster that in no way can be policed by your school or staff tried to show his worth. With the current state of affairs in college football I agree the NCAA could very well drop the hammer on teams the likes of OM, State, or any other mid level school and not catch much heat from it but they won't! They won't because they have bigger problems such as the Vanderbilt problems, the LSU deal with Hill, and lets not forget Manziel and A&M. As soon as reports came out that Clowney also had a autograph session with one of the same brokers that Manziel did along with all the other issues damage control is number one ahead of all else. They will handle Manziel just like they did Newton and simply will not rock the boat right now. The NCAA does have to regain its footing at some point but I just don't see it being this year.

 

[MaronMatters]

Why do y'all care so much about getting Ole Miss in trouble? We kicked y'all's *** without these big name recruits. It's not Ole Miss fault that players don't want to play in a 3rd world country that Starkville is

What about the three years before that? It's not like y'all have been setting the SEC on fire by racking up in the win column, either.....not sure what what that says about Oxford. Must not be too much better than Starkville.

 

[Drebin]

I'm not trying to insult the NCAA by calling them toothless but take a look at the recent past. Oregon slap on the wrist, Miami nothing of substance, Tennessee nothing, Auburn nothing and y'all know they should have been smashed and State a slap on the wrist that in all honesty probably was too harsh because of some rouge booster that in no way can be policed by your school or staff tried to show his worth. With the current state of affairs in college football I agree the NCAA could very well drop the hammer on teams the likes of OM, State, or any other mid level school and not catch much heat from it but they won't! They won't because they have bigger problems such as the Vanderbilt problems, the LSU deal with Hill, and lets not forget Manziel and A&M. As soon as reports came out that Clowney also had a autograph session with one of the same brokers that Manziel did along with all the other issues damage control is number one ahead of all else. They will handle Manziel just like they did Newton and simply will not rock the boat right now. The NCAA does have to regain its footing at some point but I just don't see it being this year.

You keep bringing up the Miami thing. The reason not much has come from that is because Miami punished themselves pretty harshly. With Oregon, we probably don't have all of the facts. You forget Ohio State, where the NCAA absolutely reamed a high-profile, big money program. They aren't in over their heads. If they want to lower the boom, they will. The Ohio State example is evidence that they don't just pick on lower-tier schools, either. Don't forget that the NCAA issued a warning to Ole Miss in 2011 over the volume of secondary violations. If they find anything on you guys, it could get very ugly.

 

[ckDOG]

My point wasn't that big programs are immune to penalties.

My point is that OM will get throttled if they give the NCAA an inch. I don't buy into this "NCAA does nothing" stance that many folks hold. Although, I do think that the cases against the big programs have to be more obvious than the smaller programs. Programs like MSU and OM are likely subjected to more scrutiny than the big boys when there is suspicion. That's just my assumption though...

 

[J-Dawg]

Why do y'all care so much about getting Ole Miss in trouble? We kicked y'all's *** without these big name recruits. It's not Ole Miss fault that players don't want to play in a 3rd world country that Starkville is

Who knew that a 3rd world country and the center of God's great universe could be separated by a measly 97.5 backwoods Mississippi miles?

 

[Firecaptain4]

Drebin I don't disagree that it could get ugly if the find something at all. The Miami example comes to my mind because of the severity of the offenses. If any school has deserved the death penalty since SMU it was Miami and while Miami self imposed sanctions and they were fairly harsh the NCAA dropped the ball by not handling the situation themselves. How can anyone say we probably don't have all the facts on Oregon and think that makes a difference? They paid a player to come play football for them cut and dry one of the worst things a college program can do. We don't know all the facts about any investigation but as far as facts and investigations go most don't come out until the investigation is over and Oregons is. Speculation can drive accusations and accusations can turn into rumors and we all know what rumors can do. While everyone has an angle or a source the best sources haven't gone public with anything yet.

 

[NIC.sixpack]

Don't forget that the NCAA issued a warning to Ole Miss in 2011 over the volume of secondary violations.

To clarify, is this what you're talking about:

Last September, Ole Miss sent written scholarship offers to seven high school juniors. That’s a no-no. The Rebel athletic department discovered and reported the matter to the NCAA. The NCAA accepted UM’s self-imposed penalties.

I think the NCAA sent that warning in September 2010, because the article from Mr.SEC was dated January 2011. So it's possible that you're mentioning some other warning that was actually from 2011.

ETA: I see now that the scholarship offers were sent out in September 2010, so it's possible that the warning was issued in January 2011.

 

[MSU_Beas_GIS]

For all the **** the rebels want to dish out about Redmond and his car, they've been in the car heppin' business themselves...

http://usatoday30.usatoday.com/sports/college/football/sec/2003-11-07-olemiss-mclendon_x.htm
"A Senatobia car salesman has confirmed that he sold a sports utility vehicle to Mississippi tailback Ronald McClendon, a purchase that has sidelined the athlete while both the university and the NCAA dig into the circumstances.
A 2002 Ole Miss football program lists a Louie Dickerson as a contributor to the Ole Miss Loyalty Foundation, the athletic department's chief fund-raising arm. The NCAA Manual identifies boosters, among other things, as persons who have "made financial contributions to the athletics department or to an athletics booster organization of that institution.""

Care to guess where Dickerson's son is a coach at now?

 

[RockstarFromMars]

Interesting.

 

[121Josey]

UGA, Bama, and FSU harldy blink an eye when they lose a recruit. They just sign another great recruit. But the school that almost lost Jones and lost several instate guys recently, they panic and resort to unique tactics.

You must not follow recruiting. These schools sign great classes. But to think that their classes are composed completely of Top 250 recruits is just plain misinformed. When schools that have won 2 conference games in 3 years start getting beat out perennial conference champions for Top 100 players, they'd better be prepared to go to the mattresses.

 

[RockstarFromMars]

They threatened to suspend coaches over it. If only they had actually suspended Nutt.

 

[121Josey]

I really do believe it was a group of other schools that got pissed off last year that actually pushed the NCAA into looking into things because really, though there was drama with Chris Jones, we didn't lose anyone of note to OM last year. I personally sincerely doubt Kailo ever has much impact on the football field anyway, but regardless, most MSU fans never really felt like he was a guy that would come to MSU if Freeze and OM showed any signs of getting the program out of the crapper.

But we still lost Koolio. It doesn't matter what he does in the future.

 

[RebelAlumnus]

I'm still curious...

Repeatedly calling you a pawn is beginning to feel like it's giving you too much credit...

as to why you think Ole Miss posters here are "pawns," and what they are pawns for.

 

[engie]

Oh Engie, it appears as if your ED brotha has just contradicted your stories. This out to be a wonderfully thought out, point-by-point (with statistics) explanation of why he is mistaken, and has different sources. 3, 2, 1 go...

Huh? You are getting lost in your own spin.

 

[Reb101]

I hear the NCAA is coming into Starkville tomorrow to investigate the recruitment of Derek Pegues.

 

[tuku 2]

Do you really get pissed about losing "Our" players? Y'all have great players in Autry, Evans, James and Jones. These guys are all solid players. I would be tickled to have 1/4 of those four.

 

[engie]

I'm not trying to insult the NCAA by calling them toothless but take a look at the recent past. Oregon slap on the wrist, Miami nothing of substance, Tennessee nothing, Auburn nothing and y'all know they should have been smashed and State a slap on the wrist that in all honesty probably was too harsh because of some rouge booster that in no way can be policed by your school or staff tried to show his worth. With the current state of affairs in college football I agree the NCAA could very well drop the hammer on teams the likes of OM, State, or any other mid level school and not catch much heat from it but they won't! They won't because they have bigger problems such as the Vanderbilt problems, the LSU deal with Hill, and lets not forget Manziel and A&M. As soon as reports came out that Clowney also had a autograph session with one of the same brokers that Manziel did along with all the other issues damage control is number one ahead of all else. They will handle Manziel just like they did Newton and simply will not rock the boat right now. The NCAA does have to regain its footing at some point but I just don't see it being this year.

Penn State virtual death penalty...
USC - 2 yr bowl ban and 30 schollies lost over 3 years...
Ohio St - Loss of a bowl game, multiple scholarships, probation, and loss of 6 players over what basically amounts to $200 each.
There are plenty of examples of them hitting people hard when they want to.

Common thread? Cover ups. If they are just getting around to investigating stuff you did 3 years ago, you can bet there has been and will continue to be cover ups.

Anyone using Miami as an example of "skating" is extremely, extremely hard to take seriously. They haven't skated on crap -- and are still going to get hammered despite the NCAA violating a bunch of their own rules on impermissible evidence.

Your other examples make it clear that you don't understand what the NCAA is or what it does. How is the Vanderbilt issue an NCAA issue? It's a player(s) problem that got them kicked out of school and, in all likelihood, into prison. How is Hill an NCAA issue? Because he's had legal trouble? Last I checked, the NCAA doesn't cover that.

Manziel is, in all likelihood, going to be in trouble. We'll see...

 

[engie]

as to why you think Ole Miss posters here are "pawns," and what they are pawns for.

The fact that you can't figure this out -- after you run over here to defend EVERY Ole Miss rumor most often without 17'n clue(need me to link the example from earlier today?) -- only to most often end up looking a total fool -- should, I suppose, not be surprising.

 

[MadDawg.sixpack]

Got a link to CBS or USA Today?

desperation is such an ugly thing

 

[rebeljim.sixpack]

I'm not up on all the rules, but I don't think the NCAA recognizes a statute of limitations that bars them from sanctioning programs just because they didn't catch the violations while the same coaching staff is intact. I'm pretty sure Miami recently got in a lot of trouble for something that happened a while before they were hit. I know the vacated wins wouldn't really bother you (because there weren't many), but depending on what is done your program still stands to lose a lot even if the violations occurred under O or Nutt. For another example (albeit an extreme one), Penn State had already fired JoePa and hired another coach before the NCAA finished their investigation and hit them with sanctions. Under your theory, they should have been "slapped on the wrist" at best because the violations occurred under a different head coach. Good luck with that warm feeling of comfort you've created for yourself since you have a new coach. Be sure to tune in here in November to see where this Mississippi school will be playing in a bowl game - you'll need somebody to watch by then (it might be a while before you all make it back after this is all over).

Obviously u believe what u just posted. Comical to say the least. What'll be funny is reading all yalls post wondering why we haven't been put on probation yet. It's the only thing u can hope for. And we'll see who's in what bowl.

 

[horshack.sixpack]

OOOOOoooooo...

I hear the NCAA is coming into Starkville tomorrow to investigate the recruitment of Derek Pegues.

Take that!

 

[Wooly17er]

Hey Jim! Thank U for Stopping BI and giving us UR opinion. I'm glad I could make U LULZ at least. U and UR fellow OM fans are gonna B like ERMAHGERD when U all get PWNED by the NCAA.

PS: Suck it.

 

[Firecaptain4]

Engie I must have caught you in a bad mood today the Vanderbilt and LSU thing are huge deals to the NCAA and I would bet there aren't many people on this board that understand the NCAA better than me. I may not have made myself clear about those two issues I am pretty sure in both of cases could fall under the lack of institutional control heading if they go any deeper. The Vandy thing is despicable and is not over yet and as far as Hill goes you know as well as I do Miles handled that like a pansy! Both of these are huge pr nightmares for the NCAA and the schools involved. Miami should have gotten or should still get the SMU treatment and anyone who argues to the opposite must not understand what went on there. Engie as I said yesterday I respect you and understand I am a guest here and that you obviously pull a lot of weight here and there's no question that you know more about State football the good and the bad but I can tell you I know more about OM the good and the bad than you ever will. The thing about Ohio State and USC is yea they got hit hard but as stated by someone earlier its doubtful that all circumstance are known. As far as Manziel goes the NCAA only has to have 70% certainty that any institution or athlete has commited a violation and it seems pretty obvious to me that 70% has been surpassed just like when Auburn screwed y'all out of the Newton lottery it was pretty obvious some type of shady stuff went on. I have not in the past and will not take joy in MSU being trashed or penalized but its absolutely absurd for y'all or any other school to act as if they run a cleaner program than any other school!

 

[MSU_Beas_GIS]

http://www.cbssports.com/collegefoo...r-notable-lack-of-institutional-control-cases
"The Charges: In 1986, Ole Miss received a two-year ban from television appearances and the postseason as a result of major violations. However that penalty was reduced to one year due to the cooperation of university administration. That explains the extra bite from the Committee on Infractions when the school was again found guilty of similar violations six years later. The charges included impermissible recruiting, extra benefits, unethical conduct, and lack of institutional control.
The Penalties: The charges and penalties were upheld on appeal, leaving the football program with four years of probation, a two-year ban from postseason play, scholarship reductions, and a television ban for the 1995 season."

 

[engie]

Legal trouble is not NCAA trouble. They aren't even remotely the same thing. The fact that you are claiming either situation with Vandy and LSU have ANYTHING to do with "institutional control" or otherwise involving the NCAA itself shows the extent to which you do not understand the process. There is NOTHING institutional about either circumstance. Legal, yes. Institutional, no.

And as for my knowledge of Ole Miss, maybe you are right. I just know I had someone in your fax room on NSD -- sit Endzone Club twice/yr or so at football, and have almost unlimited connections to your baseball program...so, I get pretty damn solid info from your side on everything but basketball...

Again -- where did any of us "act like we run a cleaner program than any other school"? That's just you projecting simply because we're enjoying your suffering that WE feel like you've had coming for quite a few years now. None of us have claimed that we're angels. In fact, our NCAA run-ins have kept it fresh in our mind exactly what we are. Have Ole Miss fans forgotten what they are because they haven't dealt with a full-blown investigation in most your (remembered) lifetimes? The difference between us and you is that we've kept it small scale -- and everything we've done/everyone we've gotten is easily explainable with common sense. We haven't gone rampant and blatant with it. At least not since the Jackie days. Meanwhile, you stole a bunch of national recruits from Alabama, Georgia, Florida St, Michigan, et al with no ties to our school last year. And you thought there wouldn't be repercussions? That's as rampant as it gets...

Do you not see how you invited this on yourself as an institution? Beyond Freeze basically begging people for it in every interview and on twitter. MSU has been perfectly happy with a live and let live policy under Mullen. We haven't come after your recruits late -- and we've generally not recruited guys that committed to you very hard. Once they are yours, we've basically let you have them. We haven't tried to flip your guys at the 9th hour by dangling money and "professionals" in front of their face. We've been happy to turn the other cheek on guys that you beat us "straight up" for(read, both cheating equally). Have you done the same as an institution? Of course not. You've continually poked the beehive by CONSTANTLY toying with our recruits at the last minute - while never expecting to get stung.

So, after doing all this, and beating you for a kid that you were never in the game on(Redmond), you tried to fry us over a total of $2600 worth of benefits and actually succeeded in probation. Do you not see our problem here? Do you not see how our retaliation is guaranteed and forced at that point?

It's ridiculous to me how Ole Miss can be the aggressor in all of that multiple times in a row, practically every time you fear we're pulling even or surpassing you in football -- yet when it's your turn to reap what you sow, it's somehow evil MSU's fault?

 

[messageboardsuperhero]

Again -- where did any of us "act like we run a cleaner program than any other school"? That's just you projecting simply because we're enjoying your suffering that WE feel like you've had coming for quite a few years now. None of us have claimed that we're angels. In fact, our NCAA run-ins have kept it fresh in our mind exactly what we are. Have Ole Miss fans forgotten what they are because they haven't dealt with a full-blown investigation in most your (remembered) lifetimes? The difference between us and you is that we've kept it small scale -- and everything we've done/everyone we've gotten is easily explainable with common sense. We haven't gone rampant and blatant with it. At least not since the Jackie days. Meanwhile, you stole a bunch of national recruits from Alabama, Georgia, Florida St, Michigan, et al with no ties to our school last year. And you thought there wouldn't be repercussions? That's as rampant as it gets...

Do you not see how you invited this on yourself as an institution? Beyond Freeze basically begging people for it in every interview and on twitter. MSU has been perfectly happy with a live and let live policy under Mullen. We haven't come after your recruits late -- and we've generally not recruited guys that committed to you very hard. Once they are yours, we've basically let you have them. We haven't tried to flip your guys at the 9th hour by dangling money and "professionals" in front of their face. We've been happy to turn the other cheek on guys that you beat us "straight up" for(read, both cheating equally). Have you done the same as an institution? Of course not. You've continually poked the beehive at the last minute by CONSTANTLY toying with our recruits at the last minute - while never expecting to get stung.

So, after doing all this, and beating you for a kid that you were never in the game on(Redmond), you tried to fry us over a total of $2600 worth of benefits and actually succeeded in probation. Do you not see our problem here? Do you not see how our retaliation is guaranteed and forced at that point?

It's ridiculous to me how Ole Miss can be the aggressor in all of that multiple times in a row now every time you fear we're pulling even or surpassing you in football -- yet when it's your turn to reap what you sow, it's somehow evil MSU's fault?

Well said. This pretty much sums it up from an MSU perspective. You've started this **** time and time again, and then you get pissed when anyone tries to fight back. Hell, I don't know why your entire fanbase is pointing exclusively to us; we aren't even the only ones fighting back.

 

[rabiddawg]

Honestly Freezus makes Hootie look like Mr. Rogers.

 

[patdog]

Legal trouble is not NCAA trouble. They aren't even remotely the same thing.

Exactly. As bad as what happened at Vandy and LSU is, and they're both real bad, the NCAA couldn't care less. The NCAA's stance is that kind of stuff is strictly for the schools and the conferences to handle. Personally, I think it might not be a bad idea for the NCAA to start handing out disciplinary penalties like the NFL does. Because the schools and the conferences are doing a miserable job of it.

 

[Firecaptain4]

Take a deep breath Engie! Let me try this one more time I am in no way saying the NCAA should impose sanctions on Vandy and LSU u am saying both cases are pr nightmares. My point about institutional control in these cases was meant like these issues could easily lead to larger problems for these programs more in LSU than Vandy because the players now know they can get away with pretty much what they want to and you know that can lead to problems. As far as Vandy goes 4 more players were subpoenaed as witnesses at this point but as much of a stretch as it is if you end up with 8 players involved in any way with this rape( if these other guys knew this happened and did nothing about it they are scum too) it will end up very bad for Vandy as a team. Penn State's deal started as a crime and ended up as a lack of institutional control in the NCAA's eyes. I'm saying these two cases are morally much worse than any team cheating right now and if these type situations aren't handled correctly they can lead to the downfall of any team! I think Vandy has tried to do everything possible to handle their deal correctly but LSU and Les Miles may have opened Pandora's box! It doesn't bother me one little bit that any fan takes joy in the possibility of trouble for OM I simply meant that I wouldn't take joy in the possibility of State being in trouble and that's not me trying to take the high road or anything I just really enjoy football more when both OM and State are doing well! I can tell you I was cheering my tale of for the Bulldogs in the CWS and cheer for y'all in any sport when not playing my Rebels. It sounds to me like you may be tired of me being here and I never came here to stir the pot I won't be rude about anything as I said I know I am a guest and will act accordingly and will leave anytime you ask me too! I hope you guys have a good night and hope I explained my statements well enough this time to get my original point across and your not missing anything by not knowing anyone in our basketball program I for one will not go to another basketball game until that idiot Marshall Henderson is gone! His lack of respect for opposing teams and fans and even our fans are inexcusable and he shouldn't be allowed to come back in my opinion! Anyway like I said ask me to leave and I'm gone I kind of hate I joined while this was going in because no matter what I say some will think I am defending OM but the truth is I know things get done here like anywhere else but like anything else it will be very hard to prove anything major and I don't believe the NCAA will be able too. Could I be wrong? Absolutely but we will just have to wait and see about that. I also said I didn't believe State started this hell in the big scheme of things we are both step children to the sec anyway and none of the big boys will put up with either team being successful in any way. He'll I'm rambling now I been at the fire station for 48 hours now and I think the walls are closing in! I hope y'all have a great night and Friday!

 

[messageboardsuperhero]

Take a deep breath Engie! Let me try this one more time I am in no way saying the NCAA should impose sanctions on Vandy and LSU u am saying both cases are pr nightmares. My point about institutional control in these cases was meant like these issues could easily lead to larger problems for these programs more in LSU than Vandy because the players now know they can get away with pretty much what they want to and you know that can lead to problems. As far as Vandy goes 4 more players were subpoenaed as witnesses at this point but as much of a stretch as it is if you end up with 8 players involved in any way with this rape( if these other guys knew this happened and did nothing about it they are scum too) it will end up very bad for Vandy as a team. Penn State's deal started as a crime and ended up as a lack of institutional control in the NCAA's eyes. I'm saying these two cases are morally much worse than any team cheating right now and if these type situations aren't handled correctly they can lead to the downfall of any team! I think Vandy has tried to do everything possible to handle their deal correctly but LSU and Les Miles may have opened Pandora's box! It doesn't bother me one little bit that any fan takes joy in the possibility of trouble for OM I simply meant that I wouldn't take joy in the possibility of State being in trouble and that's not me trying to take the high road or anything I just really enjoy football more when both OM and State are doing well! I can tell you I was cheering my tale of for the Bulldogs in the CWS and cheer for y'all in any sport when not playing my Rebels. It sounds to me like you may be tired of me being here and I never came here to stir the pot I won't be rude about anything as I said I know I am a guest and will act accordingly and will leave anytime you ask me too! I hope you guys have a good night and hope I explained my statements well enough this time to get my original point across and your not missing anything by not knowing anyone in our basketball program I for one will not go to another basketball game until that idiot Marshall Henderson is gone! His lack of respect for opposing teams and fans and even our fans are inexcusable and he shouldn't be allowed to come back in my opinion! Anyway like I said ask me to leave and I'm gone I kind of hate I joined while this was going in because no matter what I say some will think I am defending OM but the truth is I know things get done here like anywhere else but like anything else it will be very hard to prove anything major and I don't believe the NCAA will be able too. Could I be wrong? Absolutely but we will just have to wait and see about that. I also said I didn't believe State started this hell in the big scheme of things we are both step children to the sec anyway and none of the big boys will put up with either team being successful in any way. He'll I'm rambling now I been at the fire station for 48 hours now and I think the walls are closing in! I hope y'all have a great night and Friday!

Damn man, you know there is an enter key on your keyboard. Use it.

And try to stay on topic. That post reads like the ramblings of a retarded person. I mean, what the 17 does Marshall Henderson have to do with anything in this thread?