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To quote Ingram Smith, head of Rising Spear "Whoever wrote the GOR sleeps well at night"
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To quote Ingram Smith, head of Rising Spear "Whoever wrote the GOR sleeps well at night"
You know the ACC is just one part of that problem. ESPN is another and they certainly wouldn't want to lose FSU to the B10. If it's the SEC under their umbrella, you can't take for granted they would be happy with that either. They wouldn't want to pay FSU more (pinching pennies these days), nor would they want to weaken their current ACC product which they have under contract for a decade plus.
GOR is with the conference but it's the basis for any network's deal these conferences. Fox/ESPN had to agree with each other and the B12 to let Texas/OU out a mere 1 year early.
GOR is with the conference. Read the document. Only four pages, then twelve pages for signatories.
Why FSU and/or Clemson ever signed that is beyond me. GOR is great for the schools that don't have other options.
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Peter Collins (BOT) claims they "have a handle on it"
What that means is up for debate
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Thoughtful piece by Illinois fan on getting out of GOR. Conclusion - No legal way out. Only way out is negotiate massive exit payment. Lots of Rutgers mentions in the comments.
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Anybody have a copy of the B1G GOR?
Thoughtful piece by Illinois fan on getting out of GOR. Conclusion - No legal way out. Only way out is negotiate massive exit payment. Lots of Rutgers mentions in the comments.
Dissolution is Not a Solution to Break a Grant of Rights Agreement
It has been a whirlwind for the past three weeks since the Big Ten announced that it was expanding with USC and UCLA. I have a lot of thoughts on what the Big Ten will (or more likely, won’t)…
frankthetank.org
Anybody have a copy of the B1G GOR?
As a fan who dreamed of getting into the big ten, and playing the big ten powers, I would hate the addition of UVA and UNC
We would eventually wind up in a pod with UVA, UNC, Maryland and PU
For me ,this would be extremely disappointing, despite being an easier road, this us not the big ten desire
If we were to.add two far west teams it should lock us in better with most of the division we are in.now
I may be alone in this,.but I rather play the gauntlet and get good enough to play them
At the time, and it was probably with less visible view of the goings on, it appeared as though.Pitt was the program that screwed the formation of a football league
By their joining the big east
This perception remained, but I would not doubt that PU was greedy behind the sceneS, and made it difficult for all the rest , with unreasonable demands
I posted an Athletic article a couple weeks ago with snippets about that and iirc it was St John’s and Georgetown who voters against the idea of PSU and the whole eastern conference thing which the BE could have become.
All GORs are with the conference but it’s the certainty it provides that allows the conference and networks to negotiate.
It was and it's a simple reason, like most schools they were greedy and lacked foresight.
The ACC schools, Clemson and FSU included, wanted to close the gap with other conferences that had networks. But ESPN is like we're not going to spend all this money and start up costs to create a network unless you provide us with long term certainty of the conference's membership. So that's how the GOR extension happened. Same thing with the additions of Louisville and probably Syracuse/Pitt too. Every time the ACC and Swofford was playing catch up and wanted to renegotiate but had to mortgage away some of the future to get those renegotiations and conference networks from ESPN.
The fact that neither school spoke up about the terms & length is mind boggling
Nobody in their right mind signs a 20 year contract
I would like that pod, gets some regional rivalries with quality schools and then midwest and west games.
are you sure about that timeframe and events?
as I recall, this football league would not have been a big east conference, it would have been a new one.
Pitt seemingly got tired or unhappy with the bartering and joined the big east
st johns and Georgetown would have had nothing to do with it then
what you are referrring to might have been at a different time
It was from a series the Athletic did with Delany discussing realignment from the beginning.
Here are the excerpts I posted.
For Delany, modern realignment begins with two events, both of which predate his days with the Big Ten. The Big East’s formation on May 31, 1979, came one week before the OVC hired him as its commissioner. The Big East chose eight urban basketball-first members, and in concert with ESPN’s debut in September 1979, the league found national footing on television. The other marker came on June 2, 1984, when the United States Supreme Court ruled the NCAA violated the Sherman Act by price fixing and placing artificial limits on its membership through its television policy.
Both events work collectively to set the course for the 198 Division I football moves since 1990.
Delany: The first thing I would say is CFA defeats NCAA. That would be No. 1. No. 2, I think, maybe even No. 1 is a precursor to ’84, the founding of the Big East by Dave Gavitt on a media-based conference. They were mostly Catholic but not exclusively. They were on the East Coast. And TV underlined it. And there was no football involved; it was just basketball.
But the same year the Big East did that, you know what was founded? ESPN. So I would say ’79 begins to lay the foundation for a new media entity in ESPN and a conference based on media markets.
The Big East was lucrative in the early 1980s and had to fend off an attempt from then Penn State football coach/athletic director Joe Paterno to pick off Boston College and Syracuse to form an all-sports Eastern league involving Pittsburgh, Rutgers, West Virginia, Virginia Tech and the Nittany Lions. Gavitt secured Syracuse and Boston College by inviting Pittsburgh on Nov. 18, 1981. It killed Paterno’s attempt.
The next year, Penn State sought admission into the Big East. Six of the eight Big East members had to vote yes on Penn State. Basketball-only schools Georgetown, St. John’s and Villanova voted no, which kept Penn State out. Its ripple effect was profound when Penn State was accepted as a Big Ten member in 1990.
Delany: If Penn State is with Pittsburgh, Syracuse, Boston College … the East Coast is stabilized, and the Big Ten doesn’t have many places to move. So you have a more formidable, a more stable Big East. But in my view, that inability to see that future and the importance of football made the Big East very vulnerable.
Notre Dame doesn’t ever move. Florida State doesn’t move in my view if Penn State doesn’t move. The SEC was already good with their little move (Arkansas and South Carolina). And Florida State is not going to be pursued by the ACC. I’m saying none of that happens if the Big East expands properly to eight football schools and 12 basketball schools. But their rationale was, that’s too many schools. Eight and 12. Isn’t that kind of quaint?
It would have changed history probably in the sense that if the East were consolidated with football, and you had Syracuse, Boston College, Rutgers, Pittsburgh, Penn State, maybe West Virginia, and they had full basketball schools, the Big East publics, plus the Catholics plus Penn State and few others, arguably there would have been no vacuum there.
that article goes along with what I have posted, in the second in bold paragraph
PSU attempted to form an all sports league outside of the big east, but Pitt joined the big east and that was that
there was nothing St Johns and company could do to block that effort, but of course they could control entries into the big east
Well it wasn't 20 years in one shot. Like I said it was over the course years and continuously playing catchup and trying to renegotiate with ESPN.
They originally signed a 12 year deal in 2010. Then wanted to renegotiate and added Cuse/Pitt which extended it out further like 3-5 years. I don't think there was renegotiation with Louisville because that was just replacement for Maryland, I was mistaken above. Then in the mid 2010s they wanted the ACC Network but ESPN wasn't doing it without some long term certainty. So then they extended it even a further 10 years on top of the extension they had already done to renegotiate the Cuse/Pitt additions. So that moved it out to 20 years.
Playing catchup and then mortgaging away the future because of greed.
FSU/Clemson should just live with it until the time comes in a decade. It's greed again and no foresight. I told you I don't believe they die on the vine, same for Oregon/Washington if they stay in the PAC. As long you all have access to the playoffs, which you all should then there's no reason not to be able to accomplish the same big goals.
Most of your competition is from within the conference and are schools with the same resources. Cincy and TCU freaking made a 4 team playoff, so why can't any of these schools make a 12 or 16 team one. FSU just extended Norvell and paid him a ton, Oregon just did the same with Lanning. You said 120M is lined up. So you're not hurting for money so what's the point. That money is better spent on your programs and patiently waiting until the time comes. The opportunity to do well isn't gone if you're smart in how your use those resources. Again like the ACC in general, it can't see beyond the tip of its nose and willing to mortgage away things that it shouldn't.
Here's a list of the AAU's new members: Arizona State, George Washington, University of California, Riverside; Miami, Notre Dame; South Florida. IMHO, that's not a very impressive group. https://www.insidehighered.com/news...tion-american-universities-adds-6-new-members
Zero foresight amongst the powers that be - starting w Barron, continuing w Thrasher & Waldo
The original version was fine. In attempting to play catch-up, signing a 20 year extension simply to get the ACCN was insane
They’re a lot on intra-state politics also at stake here. Noles have gone on record as saying 13 years is a minimum of 390 mil behind UF (conservative estimate)
They’re already at an historical disadvantage to them for various reasons - getting in that deep of a hole is simply not an option
The prevailing thought is B1G truly differentiates them from UF in every tangible way, sans geography
They go SEC, they fit in culturally. Better for Tallahassee economy, more natural rivals, inane tailgates
They go B1G - they carve their own path. Seperate identity. Notch below USC, Bucks and Mich (and ND if they join)
Comfortably right there w Nitts & Huskers
Lot of other reasons for B1G as well (further getting out of UF shadow, academics, research, etc)
Gun to my head I’d say 80 % B1G and 20 % SEC, all in next 2/3 years
Staying in the ACC is absolutely not an option
We can argue all day, or we can see what happens
I stand by my prediction of 2-3 years and they'll be out
I'll be here to admit I'm wrong if in fact I am
Will those that continue to doubt do the same?
I'll bet you any amount of money you name that it doesn't happen.
When did they sign it and do they have a renegotiation clause? Also, it doesn't include a GOR with a bunch of schools (Cuse, Wake, BC, etc.) we have nothing in common with, aren't committed to football, and continue milking us, and the conference hierarchy, for all they're worth
I'm not putting any money on anything
It's a college football message board, where we come to make predictions and see what happens
They signed it back when they got the SECN.
They don't have a renegotiation clause, other that adding more teams, as they did with Oklahoma and Texas.
That's my point
You don't think Sankey et. Al had a plan to ultimately try and add more teams?
Swoffy had been asleep at the wheel for years, screwing everyone not named Carolina and getting his family sweetheart cable deals, all while masquerading about the "Carolina way" and putting basketball ahead of fb
SEC was actually a forward thinking conference, while the ACC was stuck in the 90's putting bball first and holding out hope that ND would join the frey
I don’t need you to admit anything or get a public flogging lol. I have no problem admitting I’m wrong. This is just back and forth messageboard discussion which is the point of this place.
I’m not even sure they got that renegotiated for a bump. It was the SEC GoTW expiring from CBS and jumping from 55M to 300M annually that got the SEC the bump.
The only thing ESPN agreed to was to pay the SEC a pro rata rate for Texas and OU right from the start of their membership. I don’t think they got any bump though. It’s just the same figure the rest of the SEC schools were going to get.
I'm for whoever brings the most money with them. I'm in this for Rutgers and Rutgers only. People tend to forget even though we're ten years into this B1G odyssey, Rutgers is still cash strapped and way behind the eight ball while paying back B1G loans. If we need less boosters to fund projects, then those boosters can be diverted to NIL endeavors.
My mind has always thought a handful (4-5) in the west, a handful in the east and the rest in the middle…a national conference (imo that will bring the most money).
If it’s FSU and UNC somewhere down the line (as in a decade plus) that would be the “ACC wing” of the B10…5 schools up and down the east (PSU, RU, Maryland, UNC, FSU).
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The whole ESPN point is spot on. Disney is in massive debt and owes $9bln to Comcast for HULU. ESPN is on the chopping block and has negative money to give. Maybe Apple buys DIS with pocket change or maybe it just lets DIS go bankrupt and Amazon, Google, and Apple buy the bones piece meal. Who knows? At this point, ESPN will not let anybody out of the GOR as that is all they have.
So many things in college sports are making me less interested by the day….Conference re-alignment being one of them
Considering that Rutgers hit the lottery like no other team I should be a fan of conference re-alignment
. But other than RU-to-Big10 I find the issue depressing for some reason
Considering that Rutgers hit the lottery like no other team I should be a fan of conference re-alignment
. But other than RU-to-Big10 I find the issue depressing for some reasonYou're right to feel depressed. Part of what makes being a fan fun is developing knowledge of and dislike of competing schools. That's not so easy when the competition keeps changing. For instance, speaking as a Phillies fan, I would hate it if one day I woke up and found the team in the American League East with other teams jumping to other divisions. It's the same in college sports.So many things in college sports are making me less interested by the day….Conference re-alignment being one of them
Considering that Rutgers hit the lottery like no other team I should be a fan of conference re-alignment
He also thinks Arizona is about to jump to the Big 12 and that Oregon/Washington will follow. Let's see if any of this comes to pass.
Interesting or too good to be true?
So, ACC teams are going to negotiate down from a $120 mil buyout plus media rights revenue starting at $70 mil. a year which escalates for 9 yrs, in the B1G and settle for $300 mil. in total? That's like $650 mil. the ACC is going to leave on the table. No wonder that conference is doomed, it's run by complete idiots. I have a bridge in Brooklyn to sell the ACC who do I call?
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