Because nobody wants to leave the highest paying conference, so nobody gives a sh*t about the GOR deal. It could run for fifty years and we're never going to find a better conference.
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I don't think the identity matters as much given the BIG goal of being THE national CFB conference in the country. Almost all of the schools are large state schools, strong in research, very good to excellent academics, large followings, large alumni base, large tv markets, on campus facilities etc etc.
it's not longer a midwest conference really
Agree on what happens to ACC but that's because they really were shortsighted. If FSU and another bolt to BIG, it forces ND to reevaluate their options, especially given that no way can NBC give them the money they are looking for.
BIG should go for the kill shot, force ND's hand and invite either either UW or Stanford to round it out to 4
FSU, UNC,
Agreed they have good national following, but do they generate enough $ nationally to increase the revenue pie?
Or bring in big time research $ ?
I'm asking, cause I don't know.
I'm glad we are on inside of this bubble ATM
FSU is second only to ND in this merry go round. FSU considers themselves national, not regional. The SEC says they are the premier regional conference and will stay that way. Adding FSU doesn't really help the SEC as much financially but it does keep the BIG from Florida. FSU is the BIG target, UNC, ND are as well
after that, it's a bit dicey. Do you go Stanford or GT? Does the BIG say UW and Oregon?
If FSU and UNC do join the BIG, that forces ND hand and then it's Stanford imho
ATL has little interest in GT
They would not bring additional revenue from a football standpoint.
There's little interest in GT in Atlanta. Great school, don't see them getting last 4 invites
they sure as hell would bring rev, it's a large metro mkt full of TVs and carriage fees
either way, the 3 I mentioned and then whoever really
I still haven't heard a decent reason why ND should join any conference in football since the expansion of the playoffs. They are almost guaranteed based on scheduling and who they are to earn a playoff spot every year. As for the money, they are a big enough attraction to make their media money and they have almost an endless supply of $s for NIL and facilities from donors and other revenue sources. What is the risk for staying independent, absolutely nothing, if the SEC and B1G ever move to break away from the NCAA they will find a place for ND and they know it, so really no risk at all.
ND is counting on NBC. If the gap between ND and the BIG/SEC, gets too big? They will be in a conference. If NBC keeps them close they will stay Indy forever.
End of the day they love their independence but they also need to stay relevant.
I’ve always thought of getting ND as first be attractive to them as in plenty of rivals and then be national. The B10 is and can be that.
The other thing that can be an issue is will they have a suitable home for their other sports outside of football. Also if conferences ever increase their number of games then it could be harder for them to schedule high profile games that help with the CFP.
Be an attractive home with good curb appeal and then wreck their current home lol. That’s about as good a chance as you’ll get.
They may place priority of being in a conference to make the future playoffs. If that happens, ND has to join a conference along with making more money
This why I don’t really focus on money differential because I think ND will always have more than enough.
From the rivals main board, tomorrow Wednesday is the day
It either happens, or it does not, at least as far as FSU is concerned, at the ACC board meeting
Note that many fans over on that site think this is all hogwash, trolls etc
And others claim it is a done deal, as far as leaving that is
We shall see
I have no idea
The problems with ND going back to being an independent are the same that got them to sign the hybrid arrangement with the ACC in the first place.
-to survive, bowls excepting those involved in the CFP need the certainty of conference tie-ins. Conference tie-ins mean that in the years an independent ND doesn’t make the CFP their bowl options are weak.
-ii is really tough to put together a compelling second half of the season as an independent when conference teams are occupied. The historical example is from one of their last years of independence when NBC had to promote two consecutive late October/early November home games versus Western Michigan and Tulsa while conferences were in the meat of their schedule.
BOT Chair Peter Collins on Florida State's future: 'I feel really good about our prospects'
Florida State Board of Trustees Chair Peter Collins spoke about the Seminoles' future during Q&A with Warchant on Tuesday
Likewise I have no idea if it’ll happen by this 8/15 for next year
Seems like a lot of moving parts to happen in a relatively short amount of time
BOT Chair Peter Collins on Florida State's future: 'I feel really good about our prospects'
Florida State Board of Trustees Chair Peter Collins spoke about the Seminoles' future during Q&A with Warchant on Tuesdaywww.on3.com
Collins is aces, but it’s McCoullough’s decision at the end of the day
Big $ boosters want sec, school wants B1G
FWIW, my Clemson buddy says they’re having the same issue
My thought is they may announce something by 815, but do it like Texas and Oklahoma where they give a two year notice.
Reason for that is to fold
1. The big 10 is rolling out USC and UCLA in 2024, so they may want to wait until 2025 for the two teams.
2. It gives FSU and others more time to get everything squared away, logistically and on the legal and as far as the money goes and lining things up, etc..
Just a practical guess on my end
Reason for that is to fold
1. The big 10 is rolling out USC and UCLA in 2024, so they may want to wait until 2025 for the two teams.
2. It gives FSU and others more time to get everything squared away, logistically and on the legal and as far as the money goes and lining things up, etc..
Just a practical guess on my end
I still have to see it to believe it. Is it just bravado on Collins part or will they actually do something? We've seen the same bravado in the past with the OU prez back when the PAC made their 6 B12 team play, Bowlsby when the B12 got raided, California gov when UCLA left etc..They all talk big but in the end nothing of any substance happens.
It's kind of contradictory in one sense. You've said there is no way they'll fall behind 300-400M over the next decade plus, they'll die on the vine. I didn't agree that had to happen but that was your premise. So what's the difference between that and the 30-40M/yr, in addition to the 120M exit fee, they'd have to pay to get out. You'd be the same 300-400M behind in the next decade plus but not only that, you'd be competing against competition with deeper pockets as opposed to in the ACC where you'd be competing against competition with the same tv money resources.
It's a complaint about being hundreds of millions behinds over the next decade but the exit fees you'd pay mount to those same hundreds of millions so what are you gaining. Your competition for playoffs and titles also gets harder. It seems better to wait the decade plus out and then switch.
It’s 10000 % not bravado
There’s a few things at play here
1. 300-400 mil is the minimum. They can’t recover from that. It’s a young school without generations of successful people
2. Boosters have already raised the exit fee
3. Falling behind isn’t just limited to fb and other sports - a lot has to do w their standing vs UF
4. Tying up GOR in court, financing it and having help paying it are all in the cards
5. Re deeper pockets, they’ve always done “more w less.” You know give them B1G $ and better conference and playing field is much more even
6. If total amount to get out they’d owe is 300 mil they’d finance 30/mil year, make 90 w B1G payout and net 60, assuming they actually have to pay all of 300 mil
There’s many other reasons as well, but that is the Cliff notes version
I've mentioned #4 as a big problem too even if FSU was willing to pay hundreds of millions in exit fees, which is counterproductive IMO anyway.
Why would the B10 or SEC even consider FSU or any school when they are in the middle of a legal battle. They'd want a school that has had a clean break. Notice how Texas/OU waited til just about the end and even then they had to tie up all loose ends with the B12 and Fox/ESPN to get out that 1 year early. After they were free and clear, they were able to come on board. No conference is getting in the middle of a contentious legal battle.
Money
It all comes down to money and how much more money schools can bring in vs how much they’ll have to pay out
I don’t know the ins and outs of which conference will help, etc., but I do know that the grants of rights will not stop FSU from leaving, as it’s been said have a firm handle on it
I think what you have to keep in mind as well as FSU is a national name
They are not on the level of Texas or Notre Dame, but they are right on that second tier and produce massive ratings across the board
Also, football is religion in the south. It is hard for any of us of North here to understand the magnitude of a program of that stature falling off.
They’ve worked too hard and too long and invested too much and the football team is so ingrained in the local culture and economy that becoming irrelevant is simply not an option
What does money mean? You think money is why the SEC or B10 would take FSU in the middle of legal battle? I don't think so at all. They both have plenty and don't need the headache.
The SEC didn't take Texas and OU before they had a clean break and everything sorted, you think the B10 or SEC would take FSU, Clemson or anyone before they have a clean break and everything sorted. I think that's highly unlikely.
The B10 doesn't want to be seen as collapsing the PAC and you think they'd get in the middle of a contentious legal fight between FSU and the ACC?
“Money” explains why the B1G could want them if they are available. It doesn’t explain why the B1G would go against everything they have ever done before regarding expansion, and get involved in a messy legal battle over a school whose availability is not certain.
The other thing Jay is ignoring is that the theoretical worst case scenario is that the ACC refuses to settle and takes FSU to court, and the court rules in favor of the strictest interpretation of a GOR, which is that the ACC would keep FSU’s TV rights until 2036. Why would the B1G risk that?
You’re assuming a massive legal battle
Fortunately, there’s other schools in a league to see the writing on the wall, and are actively looking to leave as well
With the pac collapsing in the big 12 expanding, and looking to become the third conference, it will be beehove them, and the other departing members of the ACC to engage
Again, you’re assuming it’s going to be a messy and lengthy legal battle
What we’re not taking into consideration, are the other ACC teams leaving for the big 12, thereby dissolving a leak in its entirety
You're the one that said tying up the GOR in court. Is that not implying massive legal battle?
The only thing that gets FSU out anytime soon is the ACC buckling and negotiating a settlement to get out.
That would have to be complete before the B1G got involved, and it would be a dumb move by the ACC.
I don't see any motive for the ACC to settle anything until they're closer to the end of the GOR, just like the B12 didn't agree to anything until near the end.
Ride the horse until it drops or almost drops lol. Just like CBS and their SEC tv deal. In the end, FSU and Clemson will leave anyway so what's gained by helping them. You just take everything to its eventual conclusion and deal with it at that time.
It depends on how long it’s tied up for, which is directly related to the conference, staying together, which goes back to the initial point of the other members finding homes elsewhere
Right, but they could be left holding the bag if they don’t settle now and get at least part of the money rather than the entire conference leaving and getting nothing
Because there’s no possible way that the conference stays alive anywhere near close the end of the grant of rights
You have all of your top teams, publicly complaining about how about the conferences, that is unprecedented
Zero shot it goes anywhere near 2036, so if Elite was smart, he would settle sooner rather than later and something rather than nothing
If I’m Syracuse, Boston College, common week, that is what I’m pushing for ASAP
The “entire conference” isn’t going anywhere because there aren’t enough homes for them.
The worst thing that happened for your idea is the PAC12 blowing up, because having a lot of great western options to pick from has definite reduced the number of B12 spots left for ACC teams that don’t make the SEC/B1G cut.
This reminds me of our situation in the old Big East. People started jumping ship to make sure they have a landing spot. If they get majority numbers leaving the ACC, there will no longer be a league to collect the $$. There are enough spots from SEC, Big10, and Big12 to push this scenario. Any attorneys on here to validate this type of situation playing out?
If you think the conference is going to stick together after Florida State and Clemson, leave, and the conference darling North Carolina, actively looking to leave as well, will agree to disagree
You also have teams have invested a lot in football that do not want to see themselves become itrelevant.
Virginia Tech, Louisville, North Carolina state in particular. Then there’s Duke basketball, which is obviously massive, and I cannot imagine Pitt/Georgia Tech will want to be left behind either.
And that’s not even take me to consideration, Virginia, and Miami
Miami has five national championships in the last 40 years, Virginia is an academic powerhouse with solid sports championship level across-the-board
Neither I want to be left out of anywhere, ever