WVSPORTS.COM Holgorsen's Take: Zaxby's Heart of Dallas Bowl Teleconference
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Yeah, he is Mr Cool all right. Also coach of the year caliber lol.
Yeah it is sure exciting playing a 6-6 (3-6 in PAC 12) (losers of 6 of last eight games)team in a bowl that is a practice rehearsal for the city of Dallas and all the stadium workers. Got to make sure they are ready for the Cotton Bowl. Kind of being on the scout team...from an entire team perspective. This is the worst.
Yeah it is sure exciting playing a 6-6 (3-6 in PAC 12) (losers of 6 of last eight games)team in a bowl that is a practice rehearsal for the city of Dallas and all the stadium workers. Got to make sure they are ready for the Cotton Bowl. Kind of being on the scout team...from an entire team perspective. This is the worst.
“We’re thrilled to death to be able to be in Dallas--be able to play a bowl game here this year,” Holgorsen said. “I’m sure our players are incredibly excited about it. I know our fan base is excited about being able to play in what’s the Big 12 hub.”
Big whoop-dee-do, Heart of Also-ran Bowl. Here's your participation tropthy and a pat on the back. And Holgrosen does not speak for this fan. Sorry slick I'm not excited over this Bowl invitation in "what's the Big 12 hub".
But I'll watch it and hope like hell The Mountaineers win. Although without Will Grier it will be difficult not to mention the below average defense.
I'm being too bitter over a average rebuilding year that had a few good moments. Guess it comes from 30 years of watching my beloved Mountaineers go through the up and down season cycles.
Big whoop-dee-do, Heart of Also-ran Bowl. Here's your participation tropthy and a pat on the back. And Holgrosen does not speak for this fan. Sorry slick I'm not excited over this Bowl invitation in "what's the Big 12 hub".
But I'll watch it and hope like hell The Mountaineers win. Although without Will Grier it will be difficult not to mention the below average defense.
I'm being too bitter over a average rebuilding year that had a few good moments. Guess it comes from 30 years of watching my beloved Mountaineers go through the up and down season cycles.
https://www.google.com/amp/amp.star...fwvarsity/prep-football/article109642922.html
This article is a few years old but it is still relevant.
For West Virginia to win in any of the major sports they must increase their exposure in the Metroplex.
Just the Metroplex alone is the fourth largest metropolitan area in the United States and ranks just behind Los Angeles as the largest metropolitan area for scholarship athletes.
I am speaking about football, basketball and baseball.
That is why playing in Dallas a big deal.
That's a good point, too bad the majority of West Virginia student-athletes are from this region, e.g. New York, New Jersey, Pennsylvania, Ohio, Virginia, NC/SC, Florida....ect. But I do understand your point and don't necessarily disagree.
A school can change their recruiting plan very quick.
CU was one who recruited California heavy in the Big 8 but switched to Texas during the Big XII.
Texas recruiting is an enigma. As a Texas Native I can say it is easier said than done.
Dana Holgersen understands this. Your coach, your former AD and a lot of the boosters connected with West Virginia understand the need to strengthen your state's ties with Texas.
A lot of this has to do with business and alumni associations. As WVU alumni association is wanting to develop and strengthen already existing ties in the Texas Triangle.
If that area can be developed (for recruiting) and have a active alumni association. Then I can see the positives but it would be short sighted to only rely on "Texas" for recruiting. Ignoring or neglected traditional areas that have served WVU well in the recent past would doom the sports programs to G5 level or worse. While nurturing the traditional recruiting regions and working to strengthen Texas ties makes perfect sense and is the smart move. I'm assuming that is what your getting at and I would be in agreement.
But I still think The Heart of Dallas Bowl is just another also-ran low tier Bowl. Maybe my opinion is wrong then again it's only my opinion. But then again maybe my opinion will change after watching the Bowl. Unfortunately I have other obligations so I'll be watching the game on the big screen. It would have made for a fun mini vacation and a chance to visit Dallas for the first time.
West Virgina is situated between two important recruiting areas.
OH and PA and then the DMV.
The DMV is an area that DH is missing out in same as Texas.
DH is 0-20 in Texas in 2018
Meaning 20 offers and 0 recruits committing.
This is not including OK and LA.
Neither state does DH have a commitment from with offering close to 10 scholarships.
2-21 commits are from the DMV.
PA and OH still remain important areas for WVU without even playing any of the schools.
Overall this is WVU best recruiting class in history though.
For WVU to move into the Top 10 both Texas and the DMV need to be included.
Ohio and PA has only 22 4 and 5 stars recruits while Texas has 34.
The bigger story is 3 star and above
Texas has 244
PA and OH 166
OH and PA and then the DMV.
The DMV is an area that DH is missing out in same as Texas.
DH is 0-20 in Texas in 2018
Meaning 20 offers and 0 recruits committing.
This is not including OK and LA.
Neither state does DH have a commitment from with offering close to 10 scholarships.
2-21 commits are from the DMV.
PA and OH still remain important areas for WVU without even playing any of the schools.
Overall this is WVU best recruiting class in history though.
For WVU to move into the Top 10 both Texas and the DMV need to be included.
Ohio and PA has only 22 4 and 5 stars recruits while Texas has 34.
The bigger story is 3 star and above
Texas has 244
PA and OH 166
Dana Holgersen's college coach Hal Mumme is a coach at a small Christian school in Mississippi.
This is important because Mumme is trying to force his way into Louisiana with the help of the University of Texas.
Last year Mumme's camp was shut down by LSU.
He filed a complaint to the NCAA though.
Louisiana is 100 times worse than Texas in regards to outside universities recruiting their state.
KU has established a footprint in their state this year and in the future the Big XII universities are looking to do as well without having to bring in Tulane.
When expansion was an issue last year Tulane was the school that most agreed on.
This is important because Mumme is trying to force his way into Louisiana with the help of the University of Texas.
Last year Mumme's camp was shut down by LSU.
He filed a complaint to the NCAA though.
Louisiana is 100 times worse than Texas in regards to outside universities recruiting their state.
KU has established a footprint in their state this year and in the future the Big XII universities are looking to do as well without having to bring in Tulane.
When expansion was an issue last year Tulane was the school that most agreed on.
Oh wow...this thread has gone off into fantasy land lol.
1. It is a process to change recruiting area emphasis due to the nature of "recruiting". It is not something that can be changed "easily."
2. WVU has tried under coach clueless to recruit Texas but without much success. Decision was made to focus on traditional areas.
3. It doesn't matter one hoot whether folks in Dallas are all that aware of WVU...won't change their minds about supporting Texas, Baylor, TCU or Texas Tech in the Big 12-2=10, and sure as hell won't change profile with high school coaches regarding recruiting lol.
4. The bowl isn't the Cotton Bowl with some cache. The bowl is a deep second tier bowl that folks in Dallas don't even support.
Trying to make a case why this is a good thing is silly...and desperate.
1. It is a process to change recruiting area emphasis due to the nature of "recruiting". It is not something that can be changed "easily."
2. WVU has tried under coach clueless to recruit Texas but without much success. Decision was made to focus on traditional areas.
3. It doesn't matter one hoot whether folks in Dallas are all that aware of WVU...won't change their minds about supporting Texas, Baylor, TCU or Texas Tech in the Big 12-2=10, and sure as hell won't change profile with high school coaches regarding recruiting lol.
4. The bowl isn't the Cotton Bowl with some cache. The bowl is a deep second tier bowl that folks in Dallas don't even support.
Trying to make a case why this is a good thing is silly...and desperate.
Getting beat or beating a .500 Utah team will have a major impact on whether we land these Texas recruits
WVU recruited Texas under Rich Rod because of Todd Graham. Graham went to Morgantown from Allen HS in the Metroplex. For that time WVU was getting 3 to 4 players from Texas on a yearly basis.
That was only at a few high schools in Collin County.
Once WVU strengthens its association with Texas and more importantly the Metroplex you will see more players going North. I have had he privilege of associating with the WVU alumni association here in the Metroplex the DFW Mountaineers and they will be the ones that will be key for WVU to strengthen its ties to Texas.
Athletics aside the reason for universities are for the residents of your state to obtain a great education so they can become financially secure. The bonds in the Northeast between Texas and West Virginia are strong as well because of the Western PA oil industry, Washington DC as UT is one of the main public universities that the federal government lusts after and the New York area because of Wall Street.
That was only at a few high schools in Collin County.
Once WVU strengthens its association with Texas and more importantly the Metroplex you will see more players going North. I have had he privilege of associating with the WVU alumni association here in the Metroplex the DFW Mountaineers and they will be the ones that will be key for WVU to strengthen its ties to Texas.
Athletics aside the reason for universities are for the residents of your state to obtain a great education so they can become financially secure. The bonds in the Northeast between Texas and West Virginia are strong as well because of the Western PA oil industry, Washington DC as UT is one of the main public universities that the federal government lusts after and the New York area because of Wall Street.
Kirby Bennett, RB, is one. Was offered by West Virginia. Pretty much ignored West Virgina and is looking to go West or ND.
I have a feeling academics is important for him because it looks like Cal, UCLA or ND.
Still Auburn and Arkansas are in the running.
Three WRs and OLinemen.
All needed positions by West Virginia.
If you as a West Virginia fan cannot wrap your head around why it is important for WVU to play in the hub of the Big XII then no one can explain it to you
Dallas is very gentrified.
Has also been the banking center first for Cotton, then oil and now for anything produced in Texas.
The Park Cities in Dallas are the home of very old money with newer money out in the suburbs
Like what has been said on here Dallas ain't for everybody but it is for most people.
Ray Wylie who grew up in Dallas will tell you. It is hard to be white trash in Dallas
Has also been the banking center first for Cotton, then oil and now for anything produced in Texas.
The Park Cities in Dallas are the home of very old money with newer money out in the suburbs
Like what has been said on here Dallas ain't for everybody but it is for most people.
Ray Wylie who grew up in Dallas will tell you. It is hard to be white trash in Dallas
What Texas Recruits? good question. The dallas metro area is really making and impact look at this
6-6 Texas
6-6 Texas Tech
1-11 Baylor
7-5 Texas Am
Only Tcu is reaping the benefits
Offered means that player is on your program's radar.
No program just offers scholarships to the top 250 players.
They decide what positions they need and what type of player fits that need and then they see the players in their recruiting area.
Texas is apart of West Virginia's recruiting area.
Like I said Texas' recruiting is an enigma. As Todd Graham had success in bringing players North when WVU was in the Big East but with WVU in the Big XII Dana Holgersen has not had the same luck.
15-20 years ago I coached at a good size East Texas HS and have an idea about Texas recruiting.
Best way to describe it is that most coaches will push players to in state schools and then schools they have connections with. The HS I coached at had a lot of connections with some Louisiana schools so a lot of players went across the Sabine over certain universities in Texas.
So what does that have to do with fact that there was only 1 power 5 team in the State of Texas that was significantly above average. There are 22 starters on a football team not 3.
I am not going to argue with your idiocy.
The entire state of West Virginia has 6 players this year who are ranked by national ranking services.
That is 2 star and higher.
There are numerous high schools in Texas that will put as many players in college next year as the entire state of West Virginia.
Why are you even here? Wvu has never relied on in state recruits. You're the idiot that keeps coming on here telling us that wvu needs to do better in the metroplex if we want to compete in the Big 12. If that's the case then why isn't working for Baylor, Texas and T Tech? Look at Texas AM not exactly Flourishing these days. Did you even consider that the probems of these schools might have something to do with coaching? I'd rather have Florida recruits then Texas. Florida Athletes are superior to Texas atheletes. More NFL players from the State of Florida then the state of Texas. Miami has more NFL players than the cities of Houston and Dallas combined.
More NFL players come from Florida than Texas?
Barely. It is not a huge gap. Only a handful.
We are speaking about college football and not the NFL. More than half of the college players do not play in the NFL with about 1/2 to 1/4 of each national championship team are comprised of players who will never play in the NFL.
Last year's draft Georgia actually had more than both Texas and Florida but only by 1.
Do you understand that Florida had their great period of college football because the state only had 3 universities. Since FAU and FIU became D1 the state has only 1 national championship.
Even with 7 schools they do not have half of the D1 schools Texas has.
Being a contrarian only works when you based your arguement on fact instead of emotion.
Whats the population of Texas? What's the population of Florida? Florida has better players than Texas. The struggles of UF and Miami have had more to do with coaching than Talent. It has nothing to do with FAU and FIU. That 1 national championship you speak of is more than Texas can claim in recent history. The majority of NFL players are made up of more than last years draft. Your problem is the facts don't work for you.
That's easy...
The hard part is figuring out why people are arguing with one guy that has 5+ SN's here...
If Texas is truly in WVU's "recruiting area", then the results show another area that HC DH is failing at lol.
Coolhandluke200That's easy...
The hard part is figuring out why people are arguing with one guy that has 5+ SN's here...
Peterdragon1970
major applewhite
Bigxiifan2017
That's 4 who am I missing?
It is baby steps.
West Virginia first needs to instead of relying on a few elite players at the skill positions to increase the depth and skill at all positions.
2007 West Virginia for an example may have went 8-4 to 9-3 in the Big XII.
In the Big East that team could substitute elite talent for depth.
DH with his 2017 recruiting class is attempting to position WVU as a university that can bring in Top 20 classes every year
He has a WVU SN too, but I think it was kicked. So, yeah, 4. But that's just here. I think, no, I'm pretty sure I know who he is from Soundoff. He's had many Iowa handles there.
Your obsession is noted. Might have to Sonic you.
We can meet up at the Sonic in Abilene....
Go see a shrink, then get back, no... be gone.Your obsession is noted. Might have to Sonic you.
We can meet up at the Sonic in Abilene....
I don't think I have ever had a conversation with you but your obsession seems weird and petty.
This is an open public forum that anyone can use.
If you have an issue with that then I guess you should go elsewhere.
Where I come from if you have an issue with someone on a college football board you Sonic them and see if they are man enough to show up
Where I come from, we scoff at internet tough guys. Luke, my son...
Try just using one account, hmm?
I only have one account. If you have an issue with me come out and say it like a man instead of running around making things up.
My issue with these supposed friends of yours has nothing to do with you. Maybe you are not smart enough to see the real issue or maybe you are but you have more loyalty to someone over the internet than West Virginia.
I have never spoken with you. The other accounts on here are the work of Texas fans. There are more people than accounts. Maybe that is why you think they are the same person but they are just accounts our website uses here because West Virginia is the only fan base in the Big XII that uses rivals.
Rivals is a Nebraska dominated site. Most Big XII fanbases do not use this site.