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DvlDog4WVU

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i think barring 1 or 2 people on this board, we're all pretty much in agreement Trump is not good for the country. What happens if this continues and he is elected? I will agree that barring something crazy like Hillary being indicted, she will beat him, but what if?

What does that say about our country that someone like him could be elected?
 

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Trump created the ultimate political drama/comedy of all time with himself as the star. The show must go on.. Can you say Archie Bunker presidency?
 

DvlDog4WVU

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i think barring 1 or 2 people on this board, we're all pretty much in agreement Trump is not good for the country. What happens if this continues and he is elected? I will agree that barring something crazy like Hillary being indicted, she will beat him, but what if?

What does that say about our country that someone like him could be elected?
I'll start, it would tell me there are a lot of pissed off people in this country who have lost all faith in our Gov't and people want to return to the idea of American Exceptionalism.

Hell, me personally, I miss the idea of not just thinking but truly believing we are the greatest country in the world. I feel like for 25 years we've done everything we can to tear down that notion and focus on only negativity and in-fighting. The problem, here though, at least as I can see it, is Trump is all show and no go. He preaches a big game but I don't think he will deliver it.

With Hillary, I think my biggest issue with her is that she perpetuates the victimization mentality. Everything is about being a victim of something or other and righting a wrong that may or may not exist. I don't want a fvcking victim for a leader. I want a leader and someone I can rally behind who has an agenda of Making America Great Again! (Disclaimer, I know I used Trump's tag line, I don't think he is that guy)
 

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i think barring 1 or 2 people on this board, we're all pretty much in agreement Trump is not good for the country. What happens if this continues and he is elected? I will agree that barring something crazy like Hillary being indicted, she will beat him, but what if?

What does that say about our country that someone like him could be elected?
Dog, I fail to see where you get your sense of values. You have someone who has been a capitalist and really contributed to the welfare of the country, v. a lifetime political hanger-on and very shady deals strictly for her own power and fed at the trough all her adult life contributing nothing to society, and she is the one you prefer as the leader of this great and free country?

What do you see in him that has made you so bitter with him? Granted I see him as a change in direction to the way our country has been digressing since The Greatest Generation. I do not see anything positive that she has provided, I fail to see her as anything but an arrogant self directed lawyer who thinks they are entitled to set the agenda for the country.

Not intended to be a slam on you personally, but to seek your reasoning in the way you would accept her as a preferred alternate to him who I see as a driven man who at this time just does'not want to see the country sink farther and willing to put himself before the public and take the criticism that is going to befall anyone willing to run for the position.
 

DvlDog4WVU

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My indictment of him is not an endorsement for her, in any way shape or form.
 

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i think barring 1 or 2 people on this board, we're all pretty much in agreement Trump is not good for the country. What happens if this continues and he is elected? I will agree that barring something crazy like Hillary being indicted, she will beat him, but what if?

What does that say about our country that someone like him could be elected?

D-Dog, what it says about our country, plain and simple, is that we have no leaders. For a man who has declared bankruptcy four times to convince people he is the one to fix our economy is incredible. For a man who wants to be our President to say he will have to research the KKK to see if he should repudiate a former Grand Wizard's endorsement is incredible. For a candidate to make up the excuse that his earpiece didn't work at the precise moment the words "Ku Klux Klan" were spoken, and he didn't say he couldn't hear, and every single other word during the interview came across just fine, and for voters to blindly and blithely accept that childish excuse, is incredible. For a candidate for President of the United States to not be familiar with what the KKK was and is, illustrates that he is particularly ill-educated, unknowledgable, and particularly unfit for the highest office. For a candidate for the most powerful office in the world to base his campaign on his ability to insult his opponents rather than lay out specific, well-thought-out positions and solutions, and for the voters to not care, is incredible. For a billionaire who has contributed at least hundreds of thousands (probably millions) of dollars to political candidates all up-and-down the political spectrum in exchange for back-room access to the policymakers to sell himself as an outsider when, in fact, he is more of an insider than any of them because of his monetary contributions to politicians of all philosophies, and for the voters to be taken by his con, is incredible. For a man who has absolutely no experience militarily to simply say he's going to wipe out ISIS without being able to give any specifics on how, and for the voters to be ok with that, is incredible. For a candidate to say he's going to build a wall on the Mexican border that is estimated to cost $19 billion (testing my memory on that figure), and not tell us how he's going to pay for it other than to promise that Mexico will pay (even though Mexico has already said no), and for voters to accept that as sufficient, is incredible. For a candidate to employ illegal immigrants at low wages to hypocritically say we need to get rid of them, and for the voters to accept that, is incredible. The idea that these candidates are our best and brightest is incredible. At this point, I would prefer Mitt Romney as the Republican candidate. And i think it's entirely possible he may come out of a brokered convention in just that capacity. We need someone with the courage, humility and genuine toughness of that Navy Seal that just won the Medal of Honor, not a blowhard bully who dyes his hair and paints his skin.
 
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Like I said before, if Trump is elected (which he won't be), I'll give it less than 2 years and he will be impeached for doing something illegal/unconstitutional. His personality lends him to not following advice of others trying to keep him out of hot water. He has narcissistic and rebellious tendencies which would be his downfall. He has no experience with politics and being a government executive, it's all private sector where things are different.
 

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i think barring 1 or 2 people on this board, we're all pretty much in agreement Trump is not good for the country. What happens if this continues and he is elected? I will agree that barring something crazy like Hillary being indicted, she will beat him, but what if?

What does that say about our country that someone like him could be elected?
I think it says that we have jumped the shark

I never really worry about who the president is but trump is concerning . He is too impulsive and petulant to be the commander in chief .i trust Hillary way more there and I thought I would never say that
 

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I think it says that we have jumped the shark

I never really worry about who the president is but trump is concerning . He is too impulsive and petulant to be the commander in chief .i trust Hillary way more there and I thought I would never say that
Hillary wont live 4 more years. She has medical problems
 

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Hillary wont live 4 more years. She has medical problems
Well whoever is her VP then

Trump is too much of a wildcard for me . I know most everyone hates Cruz but I like him the best
 

dave

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Well whoever is her VP then

Trump is too much of a wildcard for me . I know most everyone hates Cruz but I like him the best
I dont have a problem with Cruz or Trump. Neither would be close to my first pick. Both are far better than Hillary. I would have voted for Jim Webb. I would prefer Kasich.
 

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I think it says that we have jumped the shark

I never really worry about who the president is but trump is concerning . He is too impulsive and petulant to be the commander in chief .i trust Hillary way more there and I thought I would never say that

Tell that to the people who were left to die in Benghazi that you trust her more. I would vote for a dog turd before Hilliary. The dog turd smells better. She has proven that she can't do much of anything. Reset my ***.
 

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I'll start, it would tell me there are a lot of pissed off people in this country who have lost all faith in our Gov't and people want to return to the idea of American Exceptionalism.

Hell, me personally, I miss the idea of not just thinking but truly believing we are the greatest country in the world. I feel like for 25 years we've done everything we can to tear down that notion and focus on only negativity and in-fighting. The problem, here though, at least as I can see it, is Trump is all show and no go. He preaches a big game but I don't think he will deliver it.

With Hillary, I think my biggest issue with her is that she perpetuates the victimization mentality. Everything is about being a victim of something or other and righting a wrong that may or may not exist. I don't want a fvcking victim for a leader. I want a leader and someone I can rally behind who has an agenda of Making America Great Again! (Disclaimer, I know I used Trump's tag line, I don't think he is that guy)

Let's compare resumes. Trump has created a very large personal fortune. Hiliary has created nothing but her foundation which has been extorting money from people promising favorable actions when she is elected president.
 

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Let's compare resumes. Trump has created a very large personal fortune. Hiliary has created nothing but her foundation which has been extorting money from people promising favorable actions when she is elected president.
I don't like Hillary but she has been a US senator and sec of state
 

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I don't like Hillary but she has been a US senator and sec of state

Yes, as SOS she was in charge of embassy protecion. I wonder how her good friend Amb. Stevens feels about being left to die? She was so loved that she had to go to NY to get elected where a dog turd could be elected on the demo side. Name one thing that she accomplished as SOS? Riding on a jet is an activity not an accomplishment. Had she actually made enough money to buy one, we could give her credit for that. Does the failed reset count? Libya in free fall after she helped overthrow Kaddafyi?
 

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It's time for a new Constitutional Amendment. This one towards Congressional term limits. In my opinion, the problem isn't necessary in the White House, it's on Capitol Hill. I think it's time to set a limit of 12 consecutive years (2 terms for Senate; 6 for Representative). That's enough in my opinion. Get newer, younger blood in there every 12 years and we should see REAL change that reflects the will of the people.
 

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It's time for a new Constitutional Amendment. This one towards Congressional term limits. In my opinion, the problem isn't necessary in the White House, it's on Capitol Hill. I think it's time to set a limit of 12 consecutive years (2 terms for Senate; 6 for Representative). That's enough in my opinion. Get newer, younger blood in there every 12 years and we should see REAL change that reflects the will of the people.
We already have term limits. Vote them out and limit their term. We have the government we elect.
 

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It's time for a new Constitutional Amendment. This one towards Congressional term limits. In my opinion, the problem isn't necessary in the White House, it's on Capitol Hill. I think it's time to set a limit of 12 consecutive years (2 terms for Senate; 6 for Representative). That's enough in my opinion. Get newer, younger blood in there every 12 years and we should see REAL change that reflects the will of the people.

The country would suffer because of the lack of experience. We need seasoned leaders in congress just like we need generals with 30 years of experience in the army. The will of the people to have a long term senator or member of congress is a fundamental expression of free speech via the vote. New and younger blood isn't equivalent to the leadership for, or a leader capable of, representation.
 

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We already have term limits. Vote them out and limit their term. We have the government we elect.

If you believe this, then stop bitching about government problems. There are problems because we have people that have made a career out of being a politician off the tax payer's tit.
 

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We already have term limits. Vote them out and limit their term. We have the government we elect.
What gives -- you posted two or three things in this thread that I agree with. [winking]
 

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If you believe this, then stop bitching about government problems. There are problems because we have people that have made a career out of being a politician off the tax payer's tit.
Ok slappy How about I say what I want and you kiss my ***?
 

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i think barring 1 or 2 people on this board, we're all pretty much in agreement Trump is not good for the country. What happens if this continues and he is elected? I will agree that barring something crazy like Hillary being indicted, she will beat him, but what if?

What does that say about our country that someone like him could be elected?
People are pissed off...on both sides of the aisle...there are a lot of people that don't want the status qou (both GOP and Dem)...I asked the question before - what happens if Hillary wins and nothing changes - she is the status qou candidate. The pissed-off people (on both sides) are wanting change and she's not going to bring it.
 

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We don't need season leaders... we need SMART leaders. We don't need career politicians we need citizen politicians. You can't compare a bureaucrat to a military general. Experience in life leads to better law, not experience it politics.

Sure you can "vote them out" but in general we're a dumb bunch when it comes to incumbents, so if we can have a term limit for President we can have one for Congress.

You don't amass wealth like Trump has and not be able to get along with people well enough to get things done. I think we would be surprised by a Trump presidency. He's a populist, period, he'll do what's popular.
 
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He's a populist, period, he'll do what's popular.

Here's an honest question in response to your post (not trying to get anything riled up, just interested in honest opinions): If Trump tries to do what is popular, it could go one of two ways. It could salve the wound so to speak (bridge the divide) or it could just piss off both sides. Which do you all think will happen?
 

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Here's an honest question in response to your post (not trying to get anything riled up, just interested in honest opinions): If Trump tries to do what is popular, it could go one of two ways. It could salve the wound so to speak (bridge the divide) or it could just piss off both sides. Which do you all think will happen?

I think that'll depend on the topic at hand, but I'd wager he'd end up pissing off both parties on something at least once or twice. I don't think he'd work well with the hardline party establishment, but I do think you'd see him be able to work with the moderates in both parties.
 

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Here's an honest question in response to your post (not trying to get anything riled up, just interested in honest opinions): If Trump tries to do what is popular, it could go one of two ways. It could salve the wound so to speak (bridge the divide) or it could just piss off both sides. Which do you all think will happen?
For starters, you can forget about all those crazy promises he made like a wall on our southern border paid for by Mexico, and a blanket ban on muslims arriving in the country, you know..the things that made him popular in the beginning....
 

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Dog, I fail to see where you get your sense of values. You have someone who has been a capitalist and really contributed to the welfare of the country, v. a lifetime political hanger-on and very shady deals strictly for her own power and fed at the trough all her adult life contributing nothing to society, and she is the one you prefer as the leader of this great and free country?

What do you see in him that has made you so bitter with him? Granted I see him as a change in direction to the way our country has been digressing since The Greatest Generation. I do not see anything positive that she has provided, I fail to see her as anything but an arrogant self directed lawyer who thinks they are entitled to set the agenda for the country.

Not intended to be a slam on you personally, but to seek your reasoning in the way you would accept her as a preferred alternate to him who I see as a driven man who at this time just does'not want to see the country sink farther and willing to put himself before the public and take the criticism that is going to befall anyone willing to run for the position.

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This is a perfect example of the problem DD.

I mentioned this in a post recently that I wonder how the GOP race would look if Hilary wasn't running.

You ask a question about Trump during the PRIMARY elections, and the response has nothing to do with any of the other GOP candidates and everything to do with Hilary. How many times do we see this on the board every day?

People think Trump will be better than Hilary. OK, that's a pretty low bar, but I don't even know what they would base that off of or why that's even relevant at this stage in the game. Maybe he would be better than Hilary ... but would he be better than Rubio? Kasich? Bush? or any of the other dozen GOP candidates that were in the race at the beginning?

At this stage, THAT should be the question/comparison, but somehow it isn't.
 

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This is a perfect example of the problem DD.

I mentioned this in a post recently that I wonder how the GOP race would look if Hilary wasn't running.

You ask a question about Trump during the PRIMARY elections, and the response has nothing to do with any of the other GOP candidates and everything to do with Hilary. How many times do we see this on the board every day?

People think Trump will be better than Hilary. OK, that's a pretty low bar, but I don't even know what they would base that off of or why that's even relevant at this stage in the game. Maybe he would be better than Hilary ... but would he be better than Rubio? Kasich? Bush? or any of the other dozen GOP candidates that were in the race at the beginning?

At this stage, THAT should be the question/comparison, but somehow it isn't.
Many here are incapable of posting without some sort of Hillary deflection.
 

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i think barring 1 or 2 people on this board, we're all pretty much in agreement Trump is not good for the country. What happens if this continues and he is elected? I will agree that barring something crazy like Hillary being indicted, she will beat him, but what if?

What does that say about our country that someone like him could be elected?

It says that in this age in which everything you could possibly want to know is literally right at nearly everybody's finger tips at every second of every day, that people choose to remain ignorant. There are no excuses. You don't have to subscribe to a paper or go to a library ... if you don't know something it's because you just choose not to examine or accept the truth.

It says that our attention spans are incredibly short and sound bites win the day rather than well thought out, and well explained policies.

It says that in the age of information, instead of being smarter and well informed, we are dumber and more ill-informed than ever.

It says that we've lost.
 

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I don't like Hillary but she has been a US senator and sec of state
As Senator, she urged and voted for Iraq intervention. After military began assault, she changed her position and was n opposition - before they had driven into Iraq. Did she really give due consideration for the ground troops when she changed her position so quickly? President cannot be that flexible to the equivalent of bombing one day and the next day retreat. The rest of the world will be a bit perturbed if she does that a couple times.

And you must be in the majority of one to give her credit for the success she has as SOS.
 

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i think barring 1 or 2 people on this board, we're all pretty much in agreement Trump is not good for the country. What happens if this continues and he is elected? I will agree that barring something crazy like Hillary being indicted, she will beat him, but what if?

What does that say about our country that someone like him could be elected?
It says that the qualities we are looking for in POTUS have changed. Dignity and class have been replaced by in-your-face bully tactics. If people are looking for a qualified GOP candidate having dignity and class, and also having a strong political track record, he's there buried at the bottom of the race. No, this is about cheering Biff on when he's got Marty McFly in a headlock.
 

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The country would suffer because of the lack of experience. We need seasoned leaders in congress just like we need generals with 30 years of experience in the army. The will of the people to have a long term senator or member of congress is a fundamental expression of free speech via the vote. New and younger blood isn't equivalent to the leadership for, or a leader capable of, representation.
We have extremely seasoned leaders in congress known as professional politicians. Some of us question the lifetime appointments of judges. Do you want the congress to be lifetime appointments? What we need in congress is someone to take the seat and represent those people who sent them, but as soon as they take DC zip codes, they become nothing but party representatives.
 

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It says that the qualities we are looking for in POTUS have changed. Dignity and class have been replaced by in-your-face bully tactics. If people are looking for a qualified GOP candidate having dignity and class, and also having a strong political track record, he's there buried at the bottom of the race. No, this is about cheering Biff on when he's got Marty McFly in a headlock.
 

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I don't think he'd work well with the hardline party establishment, but I do think you'd see him be able to work with the moderates in both parties.
Do you not see that as a plus? Party leaders are nothing short of prostitutes, IMO.
 

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Many here are incapable of posting without some sort of Hillary deflection.
Many on here do not see anything positive about her. About the best thing you can offer about her is that she is a self centered democrat. She has other accomplishments that we have not been informed of???
 

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This is a perfect example of the problem DD.

I mentioned this in a post recently that I wonder how the GOP race would look if Hilary wasn't running.

You ask a question about Trump during the PRIMARY elections, and the response has nothing to do with any of the other GOP candidates and everything to do with Hilary. How many times do we see this on the board every day?

People think Trump will be better than Hilary. OK, that's a pretty low bar, but I don't even know what they would base that off of or why that's even relevant at this stage in the game. Maybe he would be better than Hilary ... but would he be better than Rubio? Kasich? Bush? or any of the other dozen GOP candidates that were in the race at the beginning?

At this stage, THAT should be the question/comparison, but somehow it isn't.

I have to agree with you on the low bar. Ms Clinton has been really limited in what she can point to as her accomplishments. She's been in Washington a long time and her Reset was a failure, Libya is a failure, Mideast a failure, not just her fault. Her time as a senator is marked by her support of the Gulf war and nothing else. The only thing that she has been good at is telling women and blacks that she will get them better jobs and that ole whitey has taken avantage of them. She's a divider like our current President.