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Tell that to the people who were left to die in Benghazi that you trust her more. I would vote for a dog turd before Hilliary. The dog turd smells better. She has proven that she can't do much of anything. Reset my ***.
Jesus Hubert Christ on a crutch. Hillary has 10 tons of baggage, but nobody was "left to die" in Benghazi. Just stop it.
 

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If you believe this, then stop bitching about government problems. There are problems because we have people that have made a career out of being a politician off the tax payer's tit.
And who gives them careers by repeatedly putting them in office? People who pay more attention to party than to what candidates have to say on issues. Dave is right: We get the government we elect.
 

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And who gives them careers by repeatedly putting them in office? People who pay more attention to party than to what candidates have to say on issues. Dave is right: We get the government we elect.

A more vocal friend on Facebook made a post about her amazement that people wait in lines for hours to buy a pair of speakers and it was her hope that they wait in lines for hours to vote.

I thought, but did not say, "I hope they don't vote."
 

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Jesus Hubert Christ on a crutch. Hillary has 10 tons of baggage, but nobody was "left to die" in Benghazi. Just stop it.

JHC, I have many friends in the military and there could have been an effort undertaken to at least get after the skinnys attacking our Embassy. You know absolutely nothing about suppression flights, they have been used and everybody said they could have been used, and those thugs would have run for the hills. Hilliary's and Obama's minions know its true but have hid it from the public. Do you know what a suppression flight is? Those juets could have gotten there in hours and a jet screaming overhead would scare the crap out of anybody. used before and very successful unless you don't even try them. Yeah, a video was the blame. There's a special place in hell for people in power who sit on their fat *** and do nothing and let good people die. The two seals would never have died had they done anything.
 

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A more vocal friend on Facebook made a post about her amazement that people wait in lines for hours to buy a pair of speakers and it was her hope that they wait in lines for hours to vote.

I thought, but did not say, "I hope they don't vote."
Reportedly, Dem lines are not too long. Voting way down.
 

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You hate generalizations more than anything I think.

Yeah, pretty much. Making generalized statements is just lazy. It pets my peeves. :)

With any person or any group you have to look at the whole picture. You have to look at the fruit salad of their lives. LOL

GOP or Dem or Independent or anything else, you're going to have people from all over the socioeconomic spectrum. To not recognize that is ridiculous.
 

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Yeah, pretty much. Making generalized statements is just lazy. It pets my peeves. :)

With any person or any group you have to look at the whole picture. You have to look at the fruit salad of their lives. LOL

GOP or Dem or Independent or anything else, you're going to have people from all over the socioeconomic spectrum. To not recognize that is ridiculous.
Agreed, though I think we can also agree stereotypes exist for a reason. There are always exceptions to point to though. Hard to deny the overwhelming majority of those on the lower end of the socioeconomic spectrum vote Dem. There isn't anything wrong with that, nor do I think there is anything wrong with acknowledging that reality.

It's no different than a Dem claiming the overwhelming majority of the GOP are old and/or white. There are many exceptions to this. However, the reality is very close to the perception.
 

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What was a gay Ambassador doing in the Middle east anyway? For me, there has always been some underlying reason for Stevens to be there other than what's been reported. For them to just sit on their hands doesn't make since.

Thats the point I brought up months ago. Who was that fuking stupid to put him in the position for the nuts to do what they did to him.
 

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Agreed, though I think we can also agree stereotypes exist for a reason. There are always exceptions to point to though. Hard to deny the overwhelming majority of those on the lower end of the socioeconomic spectrum vote Dem. There isn't anything wrong with that, nor do I think there is anything wrong with acknowledging that reality.

It's no different than a Dem claiming the overwhelming majority of the GOP are old and/or white. There are many exceptions to this. However, the reality is very close to the perception.

Stereotypes do exist for a reason, but I also feel that they are dangerous. I think anybody from WV that has lived in another state has been on the wrong side of that a time or two. The problem with stereotypes is that most of the time people will only latch on to the examples that fit that stereotype and ignore all of the ones that don't, giving the illusion or perspective that the stereotype is more accurate than it really is.

Perhaps the majority of poorer people vote Dem, but you wouldn't know that in WV. The nicer cars around seem to have more Dem stickers on them, while the junkers have GOP stickers, or my favorite, the rebel flag. Pretty sure anybody with a rebel flag on their car/truck isn't voting Dem. WV is one of the most economically depressed states there is and we just loaded up the state representation with GOP.

During the last general election there were all kinds of statements like "Obama will lead in the early voting because the Romney supporters have jobs". Meanwhile, the most educated of my friends lean Dem, and the least educated lean GOP, but really the most educated view issues objectively regardless of their political leanings. (mostly) I think all of my friends that are lawyers are Dem.
 

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i think barring 1 or 2 people on this board, we're all pretty much in agreement Trump is not good for the country. What happens if this continues and he is elected? I will agree that barring something crazy like Hillary being indicted, she will beat him, but what if?

What does that say about our country that someone like him could be elected?

In the end we'll be okay. Trump isn't stupid - although at times that seems to be debatable - and will govern more to the middle of the road. He's also bound to hire a few good managers - he has a history of doing that - and that's what matters most. Also, we'll have a huge upgrade in the 1st lady/family department and well......pretty women matter too. Finally, I can stomach him a lot more than I can that quarter witted imbecilic twit Ted Cruz.
 

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You mean like Bill Gates, Warren Buffet and Larry Ellison? Those losers?

No, like the lady who wanted an Obama phone, Obama cash from Obama stash. Buffet is a funny analogy. He gets all of his income from capital gains, hence, lower taxation. He paid his secretary $250,000 so she did have a higher tax rate than most Americans. Dishonesty isn't limited to any party affliation. You do know my comment was tongue in cheek? [winking]
 

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What was a gay Ambassador doing in the Middle east anyway? For me, there has always been some underlying reason for Stevens to be there other than what's been reported. For them to just sit on their hands doesn't make since.
[roll]
 

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You do know my comment was tongue in cheek? [winking]

I do ... but generalizations still make me bristle. :) From that perspective, I make it a little too easy to "poke the bear" so to speak.
I think I mentioned it about a week back or so, but I've learned that many of your comments are a bit more extreme than where your true viewpoint lies.
 

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I do ... but generalizations still make me bristle. :) From that perspective, I make it a little too easy to "poke the bear" so to speak.
I think I mentioned it about a week back or so, but I've learned that many of your comments are a bit more extreme than where your true viewpoint lies.
I know people need help, I also know that govt isn't efficient in delivering said help. All of us know that people game the system and take what they can get. From there, it just snow balls.
 

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LOL! A vastly underrated movie. Duke won't support the Donald if his fake tan gets that dark.
 

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All of us know that people game the system and take what they can get. From there, it just snow balls.

That goes for the rich and the poor. I think the rich are much better at it. i.e. our entire congress is bought and paid for by various billionaires and industries to create laws and set up a system that benefits them.

Yes, poor people game the system too. I mentioned it before, but I'd like to see what percentage are people are getting help fraudulently and what percentage aren't. Unfortunately I don't think there's much of a way to know. I would guess that the percentage fraudulently collecting disability is a lot higher than in other forms of government assistance.
 

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BTW, the word is the New York Times is getting ready to drop a bomb on Trump. I suspect it has to do with his long time organized crime ties, but who knows?

I believe the Republican Party does have the option of refusing him the nomination if they feel he's unfit for the position and take the nomination to a floor vote.
 

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BTW, the word is the New York Times is getting ready to drop a bomb on Trump. I suspect it has to do with his long time organized crime ties, but who knows?
Probs just rumors about his off the record remarks about immigration and the wall he was going to build.
 

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Stereotypes do exist for a reason, but I also feel that they are dangerous. I think anybody from WV that has lived in another state has been on the wrong side of that a time or two. The problem with stereotypes is that most of the time people will only latch on to the examples that fit that stereotype and ignore all of the ones that don't, giving the illusion or perspective that the stereotype is more accurate than it really is.

Perhaps the majority of poorer people vote Dem, but you wouldn't know that in WV. The nicer cars around seem to have more Dem stickers on them, while the junkers have GOP stickers, or my favorite, the rebel flag. Pretty sure anybody with a rebel flag on their car/truck isn't voting Dem. WV is one of the most economically depressed states there is and we just loaded up the state representation with GOP.

During the last general election there were all kinds of statements like "Obama will lead in the early voting because the Romney supporters have jobs". Meanwhile, the most educated of my friends lean Dem, and the least educated lean GOP, but really the most educated view issues objectively regardless of their political leanings. (mostly) I think all of my friends that are lawyers are Dem.
Clearly you've never been to Wayne County. They'll burn in hell before they pull the lever for the R and you see the revel flag more than the American flag there.

I always loved the stereotype for WV. They never see me coming until it's too late.
 

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I believe the Republican Party does have the option of refusing him the nomination if they feel he's unfit for the position and take the nomination to a floor vote.

There's a chance that nobody will have the requisite number of delegates by the time the primaries are completed. What do they do then?

Trump has 319
Cruz has 226
Rubio has 110
Kasich has 25
Carson has 8

1237 are needed, with 1777 still available.

If Cruz and Rubio and Kasich combine to get half or more of the remaining delegates, nobody would have the 1237 needed.
 

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Clearly you've never been to Wayne County. They'll burn in hell before they pull the lever for the R and you see the revel flag more than the American flag there.

I always loved the stereotype for WV. They never see me coming until it's too late.

No, just driven through it.
I got the WV stereotype thing a lot when I first started working down at Pax. My friend is a pilot so one time when I was home I took a picture of my hometown and my HS and stuff from the air. When I took the pictures back, a couple of people asked what college that was. There was also a bit of a shock that I came from a place way more developed than St. Mary's County. Of course, that doesn't take much, which made all of the original statements that much harder to take. :)
 
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There's a chance that nobody will have the requisite number of delegates by the time the primaries are completed. What do they do then?

Trump has 319
Cruz has 226
Rubio has 110
Kasich has 25
Carson has 8

1237 are needed, with 1777 still available.

If Cruz and Rubio and Kasich combine to get half or more of the remaining delegates, nobody would have the 1237 needed.

Cruz and Rubio are hell bent on fighting until the end. Maybe that's their scheme (instead of stubborn stupidity).
 

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Clearly you've never been to Wayne County. They'll burn in hell before they pull the lever for the R and you see the revel flag more than the American flag there.

I always loved the stereotype for WV. They never see me coming until it's too late.

I've used it all my life, Dog, and I've taught my girls to do the same. It kills people when it hits them they've been outsmarted by "some dumb hillbilly". My Grandma taught it to me.
 

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That goes for the rich and the poor. I think the rich are much better at it. i.e. our entire congress is bought and paid for by various billionaires and industries to create laws and set up a system that benefits them.

Yes, poor people game the system too. I mentioned it before, but I'd like to see what percentage are people are getting help fraudulently and what percentage aren't. Unfortunately I don't think there's much of a way to know. I would guess that the percentage fraudulently collecting disability is a lot higher than in other forms of government assistance.

This is where my tax plan of taxing consumption doesn't favor anybody. The rich hire lawyers to show them how to hide their money. pay the attorneys tremendous fees for said knowledge. Before you say it hurts the poor, we can offset that with rebates for those filing income tax returns or prebate cards. I personally don't like either one because it's a bribe to not fight a change that would be good for the country. We need a thriving economy to pay for all our programs. I would hope that some could agree that the course charted for the last 6 years has fallen woefully short. Let's get a victory tonite, Go Mountaineers!
 

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We don't need season leaders... we need SMART leaders.
the leadership to govern or to be a SMART representative is grounded, in part, in experience, replication of those in the past who led smartly, and study of the science portion of representation e.g relating to others, etc. There is a reason they are called freshmen when they first come in. A leader without experience to grow as a leader lacks sufficient leadership needed to inspire or influence others.

You can't compare a bureaucrat to a military general. Experience in life leads to better law, not experience it politics.
Couldn't disagree more. It this was the case it would apply to parenting, a leadership role, meaning the longer a person is a parent, it leads to better establishment of household law and that certainly isn't the case. Look at the results of ****** parenting here. And generals deal with bureaucracy, like colonels do, everyday. It's one of the reasons they are generals. They handle bureaucracy well and are very good bureaucrats.

you can "vote them out" but in general we're a dumb bunch when it comes to incumbents, so if we can have a term limit for President we can have one for Congress.
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The two roles are not equivalent and there is a reason congress made the president's term limited. However, considering the impact money has on moderate day elections and how the transference and influence of power is ever-more PAC driven I would consider a robust debate on term limits if the fruit born of such a debate revealed more positives for the country than negative. And not just opinion but fact based outcomes. Also, I have tenure as a commander, thank God, whereas my staff can stay longer and usually do. Term limits is not a new concept for a commander or a commander in chief.

I think we would be surprised by a Trump presidency. He's a populist, period, he'll do what's popular.
Maybe and I wouldn't vote for him to guess to find out, but popular isn't always the best course as evidenced by LBJ and Bush starting wars on false pretenses. LBJ's family should be ashamed.

Not trying to lecture you either so please don't be taken aback too harshly by any of these comments.