Hopefully Lyons will start working on a landing spot next Tuesday
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This would’ve really bothered me a few years back, wondering what was gonna happen to the football team I’ve followed since I was old enough to understand football. But now with the way college athletics is going. I truly don’t care. College football is headed in a bad direction.
This is how I feel to a tee. Who cares? It not even the same game anymore.
There was an article about Puskar Center improvements recently where they say in the players lounge players it now has “a recording studio where players will be able to record music, podcasts and other things and much more.” When I read that I just laughed and shook my head and thought what are they playing football for—for winning football or something else?
In all honesty I feel the exact same way. I love WVU football and athletics. Saturdays would be my favorite day of the week and we would shut everything down to watch the game.
I will still watch them on TV, but I really don’t care what conference they’re in. something like this would have me upset, but I’m kind of like whatever. ESPN started this 20 years ago and this isn’t the nail in the coffin. Playoff expansion, still not the nail in the coffin.
There is a quarterback making more money then several NFL players it hasn’t taken a snap for Alabama. Let that sink in. That is the nail in the coffin.
WVU has a problem for sure here.
The Big Ten only accepts schools in the AAU. WVU is not.
Notre Dame is highly likely to join the acc if UT and OU make this move.
The PAC 12 is too far west to be in play for WVU.
Looks like maybe one acc spot, or some hybrid leftover B12/AAC/MWC group and maybe BYU?
As I said years back now, if something positive towards expansion did not happen, WVU would be playing the same schools AS CONFERENCE MATES that many on this very board and others were cr@pping on as conference mates.
Back then OU was in with WVU and the others wanting these schools.
The Big Ten only accepts schools in the AAU. WVU is not.
Notre Dame is highly likely to join the acc if UT and OU make this move.
The PAC 12 is too far west to be in play for WVU.
Looks like maybe one acc spot, or some hybrid leftover B12/AAC/MWC group and maybe BYU?
As I said years back now, if something positive towards expansion did not happen, WVU would be playing the same schools AS CONFERENCE MATES that many on this very board and others were cr@pping on as conference mates.
Back then OU was in with WVU and the others wanting these schools.
Well truth be told AL and the SEC schools (Auburn especially with Cam Newton) as well as a few others over the years have probably been paying some players more than the nfl league minimum (keep In mind no taxes, insurance, or agent fees). Benny Blades of the Canes once said “I took a pay cut when I went to Seattle Seahawks from the Canes”. His words.
I think college sports has to hit rock bottom before it can be reset. The sport from a fan attendance #s has a downward trajectory right now and 1 good gambling scandal in this environment could really put it there fast.
The group I buy or bought tickets with has owned 10 or 12 seats in section 125 since 1980. At least 10 but I think the end 2 came when 2 neighbors died. I’ve set in those seats since 89. Last years we didn’t renew. The Athletic Dept offered the seats again this year to the company. There were no takers. The group as a whole let 20+ seats on the press box side go. There are still a few that buy but the number is dropping and we set through some lean seasons. It wasn’t about wins and losses it’s the loss of relatability and changing of the game.
I’m still watching at home for certain games (don’t ever watch the 1-aa tomato can game) and saving thousands. There’s that advantage & others like also watching other games. Well and then I’m not spending 6 hrs in the auto on 79 going to and from the 26505.
I’m watching as a longer distance fan now. I’m giving more $$$$ to the vacationing, hunting, fishing, and home improvements than game days. Maybe it’s a generational or age thing but there’s guys in the old group of different ages/generations doing the same.
I think college sports has to hit rock bottom before it can be reset. The sport from a fan attendance #s has a downward trajectory right now and 1 good gambling scandal in this environment could really put it there fast.
The group I buy or bought tickets with has owned 10 or 12 seats in section 125 since 1980. At least 10 but I think the end 2 came when 2 neighbors died. I’ve set in those seats since 89. Last years we didn’t renew. The Athletic Dept offered the seats again this year to the company. There were no takers. The group as a whole let 20+ seats on the press box side go. There are still a few that buy but the number is dropping and we set through some lean seasons. It wasn’t about wins and losses it’s the loss of relatability and changing of the game.
I’m still watching at home for certain games (don’t ever watch the 1-aa tomato can game) and saving thousands. There’s that advantage & others like also watching other games. Well and then I’m not spending 6 hrs in the auto on 79 going to and from the 26505.
I’m watching as a longer distance fan now. I’m giving more $$$$ to the vacationing, hunting, fishing, and home improvements than game days. Maybe it’s a generational or age thing but there’s guys in the old group of different ages/generations doing the same.
Yahoo Sports chimes in on dividing up the rest of the BIG 12
excerpt: https://sports.yahoo.com/sec-expansion-rest-big-12-132614979.html
West Virginia Mountaineers
Denny Medley-USA TODAY Sports
excerpt: https://sports.yahoo.com/sec-expansion-rest-big-12-132614979.html
West Virginia Mountaineers
Denny Medley-USA TODAY Sports
Prediction: The ACC Conference
West Virginia has always been the odd duck of the Big 12 ever since they joined with TCU in 2012. Geographically they need to be playing in the east. Adding them to the ACC makes perfect sense and was the easiest prediction to make. They add to the conference's football and basketball programs.
Unfortunately for us they never wanted us and still don't.Yahoo Sports chimes in on dividing up the rest of the BIG 12
excerpt: https://sports.yahoo.com/sec-expansion-rest-big-12-132614979.html
West Virginia Mountaineers
Denny Medley-USA TODAY Sports
Prediction: The ACC Conference
West Virginia has always been the odd duck of the Big 12 ever since they joined with TCU in 2012. Geographically they need to be playing in the east. Adding them to the ACC makes perfect sense and was the easiest prediction to make. They add to the conference's football and basketball programs.
The ACC has never wanted us. Adding Texas and OU is probably going to help the bottom line of ANY conference. The rest of the conferences aren't going to sixteen teams because it is a magical number. Much as alumni may (or may not) care where WVU lands, most of the rest of the country does not, and will never care. There aren't too many people who will care if Baylor and OkState don't land in a mega conference, ditto for Kansas and K State and TCU. The SEC the Big, the ACC and the PAC are already going to own all the high ground if the BIG12 dissolves. I would not be shocked if WVU does not land in one of these 4 conferences, ever. The Big 12 remnants might have to reorganize at a lower level with a couple of the less mangy dogs available. Maybe the Mormons will run the conference in the future. Or maybe they all split up and the Big12 dies. Whatever happens, it will probably be harder to find WVU on the TV where I live, but I don't really care either.
AAU is a red-herring.
WVU won't be invited to join B1G but AAU isnt the reason.
WVU needs the final ACC spot, that is about their only play to make..
I feel the same exact way.
College football just doesn't play as much a role in my life anymore and I've lost emotional investment in WVU.
WVU seems to have a way of landing on its feet and I hope they do this time, but it isnt the same anymore.
My thoughts exactly. CFB is much less enjoyable than just like 3-5 years ago. I hope that WVU finds a way to stay in the power 5(or4) but if they don’t I won’t lose sleep over it like I might have in the past.
The elephant in the room. The $60 million annual payout from the Big 12 to WVU. Loss of THAT would be bigger than not playing Oklahoma or Texas in Mountaineer Field every year. I don't care how it shakes out as long as WVU is no worse off financially than it is now.
Ive watched WVU since 1985. I truly could careless about playing old rivalries every year in a conference schedule, as long as we can fit a couple in our Out of Conference schedule.
We are geographically unique in the Big12, we have a recruiting sales pitch, we lose that if we move to ACC. We literally have ZERO differentiating factors in the ACC and will be recruiting against every other ACC team.
I hope we remain in the Big12 as long as they can find 2+ quality programs to replace OU & Texas.
Looking at programs that dont seem to fit in their current conference:
Nebraska
Iowa
Utah
Arizona
ArizonaST
BYU
BoiseSt
Indiana
Purdue
(perhaps)
ND
Kentucky
UCF
Houston
We are geographically unique in the Big12, we have a recruiting sales pitch, we lose that if we move to ACC. We literally have ZERO differentiating factors in the ACC and will be recruiting against every other ACC team.
I hope we remain in the Big12 as long as they can find 2+ quality programs to replace OU & Texas.
Looking at programs that dont seem to fit in their current conference:
Nebraska
Iowa
Utah
Arizona
ArizonaST
BYU
BoiseSt
Indiana
Purdue
(perhaps)
ND
Kentucky
UCF
Houston
Iowa, Indiana, and Purdue are definite fits in the B1G, and there's absolutely no chance of them leaving.
Nebraska is probably wanting to leave, and would probably entertain going back to the Big XII, now that Texas is potentially leaving. However, not sure it would make sense now, if their biggest football rival of all time, the Oklahoma Sooners, also were to leave.
Iowa & Nebraska was.....aligned recently in their quest to play football last year. Its a geopolitical perspective.
Big12 is def one of the more "Conservative" conferences. Which is why I included them in the list.
Nebraska, Utah, Iowa, Indiana, both Arizonas, have a population/fanbase that probably does not align with the political views of the rest of the programs in their conference.
Granted, thats not the only reason, as $$$ will obviously be a major determining factor.
Im not saying they will leave their conference, just spitballing who may have an interest to find a better "cultural fit".
If the BIG12 added 2-6 of those listed, it would still be a great conference. Id rather play those teams compared to Virginia, Cincinnati, Louisville, etc yearly. As long as we fit a couple regional rivals in our Out of Conference schedule.
I have a fear if WVU joins the ACC, we will simply become just another mediocre program with no differentiating factors, which is what the ACC is mainly. We will not have a unique sales pitch when recruiting.
Id much rather be geographically unique and not recruit against the majority in our conference. Also, because we play teams across the U.S. it also helps spread our Brand better then simply regional opponents.
Many WVU fans who live in Virginia, NC, etc will be all for joining the ACC, so they can go to games, but is that whats truly best for WVU?
When I think of the ACC, the first word that comes to mind is........ meh
Its literally Big East 2.0
Big12 is def one of the more "Conservative" conferences. Which is why I included them in the list.
Nebraska, Utah, Iowa, Indiana, both Arizonas, have a population/fanbase that probably does not align with the political views of the rest of the programs in their conference.
Granted, thats not the only reason, as $$$ will obviously be a major determining factor.
Im not saying they will leave their conference, just spitballing who may have an interest to find a better "cultural fit".
If the BIG12 added 2-6 of those listed, it would still be a great conference. Id rather play those teams compared to Virginia, Cincinnati, Louisville, etc yearly. As long as we fit a couple regional rivals in our Out of Conference schedule.
I have a fear if WVU joins the ACC, we will simply become just another mediocre program with no differentiating factors, which is what the ACC is mainly. We will not have a unique sales pitch when recruiting.
Id much rather be geographically unique and not recruit against the majority in our conference. Also, because we play teams across the U.S. it also helps spread our Brand better then simply regional opponents.
Many WVU fans who live in Virginia, NC, etc will be all for joining the ACC, so they can go to games, but is that whats truly best for WVU?
When I think of the ACC, the first word that comes to mind is........ meh
Its literally Big East 2.0
It's understandable. College football is the greatest minor league ever. It had it's charm. Amateur players who may or may not make it big. You had small towns in places like Alabama or Tennessee that don't have strong ties to NFL cities like Atlanta, Charlotte or St. Louis getting really invested in their school. The game was slightly different. You could invest in the growth and development of the players rather than year by year turn over. But as the college game becomes more and more like the NFL, I find it much harder to invest in. Maybe I'm one of an irrelevant few or maybe college football is going to turn itself into much more obscure like AAA minor league baseball leagues as it alienates the fans that liked how college football was different than the NFL.
@TownesVanZandt I tried to tell you a couple of years ago that my contacts saw a major shakeup in 23/24. I posted it right here and had to battle through your weirdo alters. Let’s try to keep this on topic and functional. I know you research a lot and admittedly I don’t. So I ask sincerely what two or three outcomes do You see as possible outcomes?
I have faith if Big12 takes a departure hit that WVU lands on their feet in a good conference.
Personally, if BIG12 disbands, or cannot find 2+ quality replacements and WVU moves to a new conference, I would 1000* prefer to be in the B1G. Being one of the most Southern schools, it could still provide a little uniqueness.
I would also much rather play PSU, OSU, Michigan, Wisconsin, Indiana, MichSt,Maryland,Rutgers, etc then ACC teams.
I would also much rather play PSU, OSU, Michigan, Wisconsin, Indiana, MichSt,Maryland,Rutgers, etc then ACC teams.
Every time you post its like you just did a massive line of Mexican marching powder...
Folks, this is it...much of this will be beyond WVU's control, but I think WVU finds a path to a good place.
I mean you realize WVU is just another mediocre program right? Thinking anything else is just blatant WVU homerism.
Oh God! Pitt isn’t part of this discussion. Start a thread about mediocre programs if that’s what you what to talk about. Stay on topic. This thread is about outcomes for WVU if Texas and Oklahoma bolt.
We were under DH, and will be until NB has time to build up what DH dismantled.. Historically I dont think the 15th Winningest Football Program is considered mediocre. Our Football & Basketball programs are far from mediocre.
You have multiple "tiers" in sports. We are not a blueblood, but we are def one of the best non-blueblood programs in the country.
WVU is a 25-40 program. Always was and always will be. Not a negative. Right now they may not be that. Alls good if you think differently but as an unbiased guy looking at the program that’s what history shows. Most programs have a Golden Years era.
My unbiased take on higher ranked programs rank
8-10 programs in SEC.
3 or 4 programs in Big12
4-6 programs in BigTen.
2 or 3 program in PAC12.
3 or 4 programs in ACC.
Throw in however many more programs that are on about the same level as WVU.
Bottom line is only a WVU homer would see WVU as a top 15 program. No one else would.
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Historically & holistically, WVU as a university through multiple UP & Down cycles, coaching regimes, & both main sports, WVU is above average in both major sports. While some programs may be great in one, not many are good at both.
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Historically & holistically, WVU as a university through multiple UP & Down cycles, coaching regimes, & both main sports, WVU is above average in both major sports. While some programs may be great in one, not many are good at both.
Total Wins
New Year 6 Wins
Conference Championships
# of weeks ranked
Tournament appearances
Final Fours
Invitational Championships
National Championship appearance
Unless WVU finds a home literally tomorrow
...then the Mountaineers are in trouble. Small state. Poor state. Small alumni base in comparison to others. Poor academic reputation. Mediocre athletic achievement history. Geographically neutral. The list goes on. But hey the players have a great lounge.
...then the Mountaineers are in trouble. Small state. Poor state. Small alumni base in comparison to others. Poor academic reputation. Mediocre athletic achievement history. Geographically neutral. The list goes on. But hey the players have a great lounge.
Again if you go outside of WV and argued WVU was the 15 best program in America you’d be laughed off the stage. Love you guys that move goal posts. “Final Fours”. We are and always were talking football in this thread. Some of you guys are so insecure. WVU IS GREAT........no argument from me. “WVU is above average “........yeah like I said 25-40.
Which BTW makes WVU very attractive for ACC. Clemson and FSU almost left ACC because they couldn’t get WVU in the last expansion cycle.
I will never understand why anyone supposedly associated with WVU lets these OOC WVU/BIG 12 hating trolls come here and put down the University and conference endlessly with lies.
Its this same cr@p that has lead to what is happening right now.
Its this same cr@p that has lead to what is happening right now.
Some education for the misinformed troll:
WVU is 15th in the nation in all time wins
WVU is 27th in the nation in all time record
WVU is 35th in winning conference championships (15)
WVU is 21st in the nation for participation in bowl games (38)
WVU is 28th in weeks in the AP poll
WVU is 46th in NFL DRAFT PICKS (197)
WVU is 49th in consensus All Americans (12)
WVU is 52nd in 1st Round NFL Draft Picks (12)
WVU is 15th in the nation in all time wins
WVU is 27th in the nation in all time record
WVU is 35th in winning conference championships (15)
WVU is 21st in the nation for participation in bowl games (38)
WVU is 28th in weeks in the AP poll
WVU is 46th in NFL DRAFT PICKS (197)
WVU is 49th in consensus All Americans (12)
WVU is 52nd in 1st Round NFL Draft Picks (12)
A few years ago I would have said WV is in trouble here, but I don't think so especially if the SEC takes Oklahoma and Texas because other conferences are going to be looking to take the best football and basketball schools left at that point to compete.....I think academics is out the window
At this point it is all about the money. Academics were a front for a long time. This is all about the best programs remaining and what they bring to the table.