How do the big boys recruit you ask? ...

[Shmuley]

Let's review a current example of how it's done in places that are not Starksville MS:

USCw is currently locked in a battle with Notre Dame, UCLA, Washington and Alabama for Eddie Vanderdoes (5 star DT out of California). During Vanderdoes OV to USCw, his parents were met with an official USCw scholarship offer. For Vanderdoes' sister. Who is a basketball player. In the 8th grade.

 

[RocketDawg]

If it's NCAA-legal, why not?

They probably don't care any more about women's basketball than we do, so even a giveaway scholarship won't be a big deal for them if it means getting a top notch FB player.

 

[Shmuley]

You must have complete buy-in from all areas of athletics. Not always easy to convince other coaches that they exist to make sure football excels. Kudos to the bare chested coonass for selling the wymyns' coach on this arrangement.

 

[TSUNBearHunter]

You must have complete buy-in from all areas of athletics. Not always easy to convince other coaches that they exist to make sure football excels. Kudos to the bare chested coonass for selling the wymyns' coach on this arrangement.

It's not like they have to honor it.

In 4-5 years, the football recruit's career at USC will be over with. At that point, if the girl doesn't warrant a scholarship, they will tell her it wasn't a committable scholarship.

 

[tenureplan]

I doubt the football staff will be there after next year anyway

nm

 

[RocketDawg]

They shouldn't be there after THIS year.

 

[RocketDawg]

You mean the coaches don't already realize it, with few exceptions (UConn, Tenn, Stanford, Baylor ....)? **

 

[CookieMonster.sixpack]

You must have complete buy-in from all areas of athletics. Not always easy to convince other coaches that they exist to make sure football excels. Kudos to the bare chested coonass for selling the wymyns' coach on this arrangement.

There's not a "wymyn's" b-ball coach on a campus D-I campus who doesn't know that his or her salary is paid by the football program. All they have to do is look at the attendance. They might resent it, but they know it. The dog wags the tail, not the other way around. If we need our women's b-ball coach to give some 8th grader a scholarship so we sign a 5-star DL, they sure as hell better do it.

 

[johnson86-1]

You must have complete buy-in from all areas of athletics. Not always easy to convince other coaches that they exist to make sure football excels. Kudos to the bare chested coonass for selling the wymyns' coach on this arrangement.

If you're an AD and your non-revenue sports aren't on board with this arrangement, you need a new job. A coach of a sport costing the school money complaining about helping the sport that pays its budget should be a firing offense or actually an unofficial campaign to make their life miserable and shift spending to other title ix sports that aren't coached by jackasses.

 

[Railin Jemmye]

They've been on probation for 3 years. Yet the guy's still recruiting lights out. I don't think Kiffin is a bad coach at all. I think he did a good job at Tennessee too and if they give him the time he deserves at SC, he'll win big there.

 

[57stratdawg]

You must have complete buy-in from all areas of athletics. Not always easy to convince other coaches that they exist to make sure football excels. Kudos to the bare chested coonass for selling the wymyns' coach on this arrangement.

How do you convince the Women's BBall coach to offer? I'm assuming you get a booster to say "I'll donate $10M per year to the Women's team for every year she's on scholarship if he signs with us in football."

 

[RocketDawg]

$10M/year would be a great start on some huge stadium improvements.

 

[RocketDawg]

But they were preseason #1

and ended the season not ranked, and got beat by a lowly Ga Tech team.

 

[Railin Jemmye]

Expectations are stupid and tell you nothing. Just fodder to sell magazines and subscriptions. Shouldn't even be a preseason poll, in any sport.

 

[tenureplan]

Forget preseason expectations. Regardless of what their expectations were, his team underperformed this year. GT was a very very bad team. Everywhere he goes, he is marred in controversy and gets caught in one lie after another.

 

[Railin Jemmye]

I just don't see it. I think it's way overblown because frankly, he's an *******. Fairly certain he doesn't give a **** what the media thinks of him though. I think he can recruit and coach football. He brought Tennessee a Top 10 recruiting class in 2009 with about 3 months work on it, then increased their win total by 2 games, almost knocked off the eventual national champ at their place and had the Vol Nation raving. I think his only mistake may have been taking the USC job in such a condition, but his love for it won out. He'd have Tennessee humming right now had he stuck around, and will USC if they give him the time.

 

[dawgs.sixpack]

If you're an AD and your non-revenue sports aren't on board with this arrangement, you need a new job. A coach of a sport costing the school money complaining about helping the sport that pays its budget should be a firing offense or actually an unofficial campaign to make their life miserable and shift spending to other title ix sports that aren't coached by jackasses.

sounds like the AD would be setting himself up for some legal issues. he sure as hell better never fire anyone associated with the women's bball program.

 

[johnson86-1]

sounds like the AD would be setting himself up for some legal issues. he sure as hell better never fire anyone associated with the women's bball program.

No more so that any other firing. You just can't ever hint at why you are making the decisions you are. Ask a non-revenue coach for help for the football team, and if they don't want to be a team player, you leave it alone. No prodding or threatening. But a coach willing to bite the hand that feeds him/her like that is too stupid to coach in Division I. At the very least, start offering contract extensions with minimimal buyouts for the university, more or less turning them into an at will employee.

 

[dawgs.sixpack]

No more so that any other firing. You just can't ever hint at why you are making the decisions you are. Ask a non-revenue coach for help for the football team, and if they don't want to be a team player, you leave it alone. No prodding or threatening. But a coach willing to bite the hand that feeds him/her like that is too stupid to coach in Division I. At the very least, start offering contract extensions with minimimal buyouts for the university, more or less turning them into an at will employee.

coach fired for lack of success > coach brings lawsuit against the university/athletic dept/AD for hamstringing their program with dead weight scholarships by forcing them to use scholarships on marginally talented siblings/cousins/girlfriends/etc of star football recruits.

 

[UIUCDog]

Kiffin just hasn’t stayed anywhere long enough to either prove that he’s a good coach, or to get exposed as being the mediocre coach that I’d say most people think he is. How the guy has managed to land an NFL job and two of the better jobs in college football while having accomplished jack and **** as a coach continues to escape me. However, I do hope he sticks around at USC for a little while...I’d expect to see more underachieving 7-5 type seasons. No doubt he is bringing in elite talent...you know that guy has got to be as dirty as they come, and he has Orgeron heading up the operation, so they’re going to bring in top classes. I just doubt they are able to do anything with them.

 

[johnson86-1]

I misread you're first statement. I thought you were talking about getting sued for retaliating for not helping football.

If the coach helps you with football, you probably do have to give a little leeway. If they claim you coerced them to give a scholarship for the benefit of football, you'd probably have some Title IX issues, but it's still a reasonable risk. Worst case scenario you keep a non-performing coach for a little while longer in a sport nobody cares about.

 

[dogfan96]

and ended the season not ranked, and got beat by a lowly Ga Tech team.

Their scholarship limitations have left them with MAJOR holes in their roster.. one or two injuries at the right spots spell doom for them. They've had to play a lot of guys who weren't ready to play. And then Barkley got hurt and their backup wasn't ready. They could've easily beaten notre dame and GT with better QB play.