How long 'til Cohen is back on hotseat?
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I agree.
Folks just don't realise or didn't realise what losing a Frazier, Renfroe, and Graveman would do to this team.
One example and I'll shut up.
Rea. Last year he hit behind Renfroe. While teams were busying themselves with trying to pitch around Renfroe, guess who benefited? Now that Renfroe's not here everyone is dogging Rea.
Wes ain't gettin them pitches he was gettin last year. I was in Charlottesville and called that bomb. Didn't take a genius.
People need to back the 17 up.
I'd damn sure rather have what we've got now than the Polk II era that preceded it.
I would like to meet anyone of these people so I could tell them how dumb they are.
Yep. Because our coaches encouraging Girodo to change his arm slot had nothing to do with him going from being terrible to a great reliever.
Because our coaching had nothing to with developing Renfroe from a .154 hitter as a freshman to a .345 hitter as a junior.
I guess they also had nothing to with developing Frazier from a backup shortstop to the best lead-off hitter in the country.
Or helping Graveman go from having a 6.66 freshman ERA to being the ace of our staff.
When you swap Renfroe and Frazier for Jake Vickerson and Matthew Britton, your hitting is not going to be as good. Plain and simple.
Gene Chizik was fired at the end of the follow-up season to a national championship for good reason. I am sick of hearing the "people don't realize how bad we were going to miss Frasier, Renfroe, etc" argument. The fact of the matter is that Cohen, as long as he has been there, should have had more equally good players to step in to take their place. Just about every player with the exception on Derrick
Armstrong is worse than they were last year.
Keep making excuses for this coaching staff and we will become everybody's *****. We are damn near that now.
Armstrong is worse than they were last year.
Keep making excuses for this coaching staff and we will become everybody's *****. We are damn near that now.
This thread is just dumb. Look we're all pissed about this team's performance, but to say Cohen is on the hot seat is moronic.
I've seen many people attribute this to Rea's struggles. But Pirtle hit fourth behind Renfroe down the stretch last year, with Rea behind Pirtle. Rea is getting many pitches to hit this year, he just isn't hitting. Period. Hate it for him.
Yep. Rea's struggles are his struggles. He got hot for a while last year. Hopefully he gets hot again, but consistency is not his forte. He was terribly overrated by us fans entering this year. Good thing we ran off flair who is a real extra base threat. Our dh position has done nothing all year. Pretty sure if we kept flair around we would be much tougher to pitch to
As long as we are finishing at or above .500 in the SEC and making Regionals, both of which will happen this year again, he's not going anywhere.
I know
what you mean.
Replacing a first round draft pick (one of our only two?? from the past 15+ years) and our all-time hits leader with kids equally as good or better should be pretty simple.
what you mean.
Replacing a first round draft pick (one of our only two?? from the past 15+ years) and our all-time hits leader with kids equally as good or better should be pretty simple.
So you question whether or not we won last year on pure talent? Then how about year 3 very limited talent yet we won a the regional and almost won the Super. Or the year after won the SEC tournament went to another regional but did get blown out in that one. Of course there's last year with all the accomplishments and in all honestly not talent rich, except for Frazier, Renfroe, Pirtle, Detz and Rea. The balance of the team weren't very good hitters. Lets not forget the coaching job that was done with the pitching staff. Only 1 true starter and an outstanding bullpen. So IMO it was a excellent coaching job with a good not great supporting cast.
Could Cohen done some things differently this year regarding personal, I believe so, especially with some of the younger players and his not playing them, not to mention his daily lineup. But none of us are in his shoes nor do we know why some players have had poor years. In actuality the only players from last year who've improved are Pirtle and Armstrong the rest regressed or remained status quo. Did losing our catchers, starting right fielder, shortstop, starting pitcher and solid relief pitcher hurt, hell yea. Tough to make up all of that in one year so Cohen is far from any hot seat.
Could Cohen done some things differently this year regarding personal, I believe so, especially with some of the younger players and his not playing them, not to mention his daily lineup. But none of us are in his shoes nor do we know why some players have had poor years. In actuality the only players from last year who've improved are Pirtle and Armstrong the rest regressed or remained status quo. Did losing our catchers, starting right fielder, shortstop, starting pitcher and solid relief pitcher hurt, hell yea. Tough to make up all of that in one year so Cohen is far from any hot seat.
Unfortunately the clock will start ticking if Ole Miss makes a good post season run and we don`t come back strong next year. Very petty but it is what it is.
Chizik went 3-8 and 0-8 in the SEC. Cohen is still in the upper half if the SEC standings right now. This comparison is very stupid. Also, Chizik could offer 85 guys scholarships. Cohen had 11.7 for 25 guys and was tasked with replacing several good players. You know what happens when you ask talented players to wait their turn in baseball? Ask Nick Flair. If you're seriously calling for Cohen's head you're an idiot.
Good post. Our coaches turned Frazier from not drafted out of high school to a 6th round pick... Stratton from not drafted to 1st round, Renfroe from a 31st pick to a 1st rounder, graveman from not drafted to an 8th round pick. I'd say our coaches are just fine.
Coaching is not the problem this year. The problem is Detz, Rea, woodruff have not played well. CT has not stayed healthy and also Brown getting hurt.
Don't be a smart ***. It's not like we were a national champion last year. If you have a national championship team, it's expected that you will regress a little the next year. But we only came in second. If you let your team regress from that point, you end up worse than 2nd and certainly not first.
Well LSU seems to be able to do it every year. Hell even Vandy seems to be able to reload pretty well. The fact of the matter is that we have list to a bunch of teams we had absolutely no business losing to. Whether that is mental on the players side, not being prepared, not giving a ****, etc that is on the coaching staff.
I hear every preseason about how awesome Butch is and everyone wants to know why he hasn't been offered a HC yet? I think the answer is obvious.
I hear every preseason about how awesome Butch is and everyone wants to know why he hasn't been offered a HC yet? I think the answer is obvious.
I'm
reminded every day that I apparently live in an alternate universe, where reality is non-existant. Thanks.
reminded every day that I apparently live in an alternate universe, where reality is non-existant. Thanks.
I agree we have lost some games we have no business losing, no argument there. I'll also agree that Mainieri had LSU rolling and hopefully Cohen gets us to that point.
Where we disagree, take a look at Vandy's record over the last few years. 2012 was 35-28, 2013 was 54-12 and this year 33-12 and 11-10 in the SEC. Same record as us. And he's 11-10 with a top 10 pick. You can see he has to rebuild too. On Butch, maybe he's never a head coach but he's a good pitching coach. Dave Duncan was never a manager but he was a hell of a coach.
What? I don't know if you're joking or not. Let me make sure I'm reading this right, its ok to regress if you finish #1 because there's nowhere to go but down. But it's not acceptable to regress from finishing #2 because there's no way you'll finish #1? Did you think we'd win the NC this year? Do you get passed every year that we don't? I know of a new message board where you'll fit in great.
I may be wrong but using Vandy as comparison....
They have had first and other high round picks oozing out their *** the last half dozen years yet have they won as many Super Regional games as we have or as many games in Omaha. If they have its slipped my mind but off the top of my head we've had more success when it counts than Vandy in the last 5-10 years with noticeably fewer big name draft picks.
They have had first and other high round picks oozing out their *** the last half dozen years yet have they won as many Super Regional games as we have or as many games in Omaha. If they have its slipped my mind but off the top of my head we've had more success when it counts than Vandy in the last 5-10 years with noticeably fewer big name draft picks.
I am frustrated as hell and probably am not going to watch another game this year but Cohen's seat should not be remotely hot right now. Sometimes for whatever reason a season just goes to **** due to injuries, player slumps, bad matchups, and just plain bad luck.
What I think everyone is most aggravated about are these 3 things during Cohen's tenure:
1. Complete lack of power .
2. Pitchers that can't go more than 3-4 innings
3. Inexplicable base running mistakes.
If Cohen does not clean these issues up then his seat will start warming up in the next couple of years.
What I think everyone is most aggravated about are these 3 things during Cohen's tenure:
1. Complete lack of power .
2. Pitchers that can't go more than 3-4 innings
3. Inexplicable base running mistakes.
If Cohen does not clean these issues up then his seat will start warming up in the next couple of years.
Any team can get hot in the postseason. Hell, Fresno State won the national title as a regional 4 seed a few years ago. Our goal should be consistently at or near the top of the SEC every year. LSU and South Carolina do it, so there's no excuse for us not to, especially since we tout ourselves as a "baseball school" with the best fan support in the country. Can Cohen give us that consistant success? I'm not sure. His regular seasons have been very average with a couple of out of nowhere postseason runs thrown in. If next season is like this one, his seat should start to warm up for 2016.
We have been toward the top of the SEC the last few years. We have finished 2nd or 3rd in the west each of the last 3 years. If by toward the top you mean winning the SEC then we no we have not. However, we have finished in the top half of the SEC each of the last 3 years and have the opportunity to again this year.
Whoa whoa now. Let's not talk about our position in the west. We had a certain basketball coach whose numerous west titles are discounted greatly because it's "just the west". Let's hold Cohen to the same standard. Compete for overall SEC championships. Cohen has never had better than a 16-14 SEC record at State, and that's not even close to competing for a championship.