How much different would things feel if we were 5-3 or 6-2 at this point?

[Shamoan]

this is long (shocker, i know)

Think about this...if stricklin doesnt go full retard and schedule a guaranteed loss (no doubt some of you will debate this, but if we played that osu team with our defensive philosophy and inability to tackle, we lose 10 out of 10 times), and assuming we schedule a likely win from teams like army or wake or a myriad of other d1 schools, we could be 5-3 and only needing one more win to become bowl eligible. either way, our ad has already admitted fault by apologizing to the fanbase (a sure sign he doesnt get it), and essentially accepted blame for a ****** decision. take a look at a team in conference that we should emulate in the scheduling department...Auburn's ooc slate is washington state, arkansas state, western carolina, and florida international. they challenged themselves by scheduling an ooc from a bcs conference and used that opponent to build confidence for the season....juxtapose that with us scheduling oklahoma state who only served to further degrade a crumbling foundation early in the season and create doubt amongst the fans, coaches, and players.

whats an even more disturbing thought is that we are 87 yards and a two minutes away from 6-2, yet our fearless defensive leader geoff collins **** the bed in epic proportions and allowed an inferior auburn team (who now, through gained confidence, looks superior) to win a game we dominated statistically prior to that last drive. matt wyatt was talking about this yesterday and it got me thinking that if we finish that game, things look a lot differently than they do now....truer words have never been spoken.

those two snafu's have effectively flipped the entire season and emphasize why it is so important to schedule ooc games that we at least have a 50% or better chance of winning and why we should hold our coaching staff to a higher standard. Auburn, a team that we KNOW we can play with, and realistically, we played at a higher level than they did save a ****** defensive scheme. they are now peaking in confidence enough to pull off an upset at college station as well as beating a scrappy ole miss team. our confidence, on the other hand, it totally shattered where we now see threads about players calling out coaches and other lockeroom breakdowns.

think about where we would be if we had a competent defensive coordinator and an ad that understood the importance of making it to a bowl game or at least giving us a realistic opportunity to win the opening game of the season.

how differently would things feel if we played a team like washington state or kansas instead of a team like oklahoma state and we were 5-3 back when the season was young and the players gave maximum effort?

how differently would things feel in that same scenario if we dont go full retard defensively when playing auburn and were 6-2 right now?

i have said it many times, we dont have the luxury of messing with potential wins nor do we have the luxury of allowing coaches to underachieve. it doesn't take much of an imagination to see how we could very easily be 6-2 instead of 4-4 and in a season like this where the whole goal SHOULD have been survive until next season where we can make a push. now, the future of the program is up in the air and we are carpet bombing this board with dan mullen threads (and deservedly so since he is the one ultimately responsible for the teams performance). just a few nuggets for you to consider.

 

[cheewgumm]

My problem with this is that then our answer to "we are not good" is

that we need to "play easier teams".


Is that our long term plan? If it is, then why are we in the SEC?


Are we tryign to actually be better or fool ourselves into thinking we are better and keeping a coach who wins 6 every year, because we cna beat Alcorn, UT Martin, Troy and South Alabama?

this is long (shocker, i know)

Think about this...if stricklin doesnt go full retard and schedule a guaranteed loss (no doubt some of you will debate this, but if we played that osu team with our defensive philosophy and inability to tackle, we lose 10 out of 10 times), and assuming we schedule a likely win from teams like army or wake or a myriad of other d1 schools, we could be 5-3 and only needing one more win to become bowl eligible. either way, our ad has already admitted fault by apologizing to the fanbase (a sure sign he doesnt get it), and essentially accepted blame for a ****** decision. take a look at a team in conference that we should emulate in the scheduling department...Auburn's ooc slate is washington state, arkansas state, western carolina, and florida international. they challenged themselves by scheduling an ooc from a bcs conference and used that opponent to build confidence for the season....juxtapose that with us scheduling oklahoma state who only served to further degrade a crumbling foundation early in the season and create doubt amongst the fans, coaches, and players.

whats an even more disturbing thought is that we are 87 yards and a two minutes away from 6-2, yet our fearless defensive leader geoff collins **** the bed in epic proportions and allowed an inferior auburn team (who now, through gained confidence, looks superior) to win a game we dominated statistically prior to that last drive. matt wyatt was talking about this yesterday and it got me thinking that if we finish that game, things look a lot differently than they do now....truer words have never been spoken.

those two snafu's have effectively flipped the entire season and emphasize why it is so important to schedule ooc games that we at least have a 50% or better chance of winning and why we should hold our coaching staff to a higher standard. Auburn, a team that we KNOW we can play with, and realistically, we played at a higher level than they did save a ****** defensive scheme. they are now peaking in confidence enough to pull off an upset at college station as well as beating a scrappy ole miss team. our confidence, on the other hand, it totally shattered where we now see threads about players calling out coaches and other lockeroom breakdowns.

think about where we would be if we had a competent defensive coordinator and an ad that understood the importance of making it to a bowl game or at least giving us a realistic opportunity to win the opening game of the season.

how differently would things feel if we played a team like washington state or kansas instead of a team like oklahoma state and we were 5-3 back when the season was young and the players gave maximum effort?

how differently would things feel in that same scenario if we dont go full retard defensively when playing auburn and were 6-2 right now?

i have said it many times, we dont have the luxury of messing with potential wins nor do we have the luxury of allowing coaches to underachieve. it doesn't take much of an imagination to see how we could very easily be 6-2 instead of 4-4 and in a season like this where the whole goal SHOULD have been survive until next season where we can make a push. now, the future of the program is up in the air and we are carpet bombing this board with dan mullen threads (and deservedly so since he is the one ultimately responsible for the teams performance). just a few nuggets for you to consider.

 

[57stratdawg]

We build a program by beating quality teams, not by scheduling 4 ****-tastic teams OOC and knocking off two other SEC teams that don't end up bowl eligible.

If we would have finished the 2013 regular season with wins over:

Jackson State (instead of OSU)
Alcorn
Troy
Bowling Green
Kentucky
Arkansas

It would still be a ****** season. We needed 22 points to beat a top 25 team on a neutral field, and our offense couldn't get it done. That isn't on Stricklin.

 

[Shamoan]

im not advocating playing "****-tastic" teams, im advocating playing teams that are comparable to what we are in our own conference. auburn only beat washington state by a touchdown, and wsu had very similar numbers to the ones we had when we played auburn. they are comperable. you seem to have an issue with where you believe we are in the grand scheme of things. sure, we play in the sec, but we consistently get our brains beaten in by elite opponents and it doesnt seem to be helping that we continue to do this. there is a clear fallacy in your reasoning. we, like auburn, could learn a great deal by playing a team like washington state and im not convinced that we wouldnt lose to a team like that, but one thing is for sure, we wouldnt lose by 18 in a snoozefest.

there you go proclaiming jackson state is equivalent to teams like washington state, kansas, army, wake forest....despite the fact that i listed each and every one of those for replacement to oklahoma state. ive said it so many times before that im convinced you have a reading comprehension issue where you are incapable of seeing the words i am typing, so for the sake of everyone, i will give you a visual queue:

Replace THIS:

with this:

or this:

or this:

or this:

and totally avoid filling the 4th ooc spot with teams like this:

OR this:

surely you understand the concept that there are teams ouside of the swac that we could play that would still challenge the team. im not convinced any of those teams (the redish logo, the bird logo, the knight logo, and the old man snarling logo) would not beat us, so the idea that these are guaranteed wins that we would not gain anything out of beating could not be further from the truth and you know it, which is why i have yet seen you ackowledge the existance of any ooc opponents other than oklahoma state, alcorn, troy, bowling green, jackson state, or alcorn state.


probably your best bet is to continue to ignore the existence of these teams because if you acknowledged them, then you might be forced into a rational conversation concerning ooc opponents, so by all means, continue to ignore their existence while our in-conference foes build character playing these exact same teams...case in point, Auburn.

 

[patdog]

If we're 5-3 with the current schedule, things would be a lot different. If we were 5-3 with South Alabama instead of Oklahoma St., about the same, not quite as bad though. And yeah, we're 87 yards an 2 minutes away from beating Auburn. But we're less than that away from losing to Kentucky and Bowling Green. And how different would things be then?

 

[Lee Corso]

We are also a nut's hair away from being 2-6, too. Near losses to the mighty Bowling Green and Kentucky.

4-4 is probably about right.

 

[Shamoan]

see reply to stratdawg. what do you think the spread would be if we played washington state right now? you get better playing teams that dont outclass you in nearly every measurable category, not by getting your brains beaten and your confidence destroyed and certainly not by a cakewalk where your 3rd team is scoring at will. there is a middle ground and we all know it. did we learn more and improve more as a team when we played auburn or when we played lsu...according to your theory, its lsu in a landslide, and we all know that is not the case. we are more comparable to auburn than what we are compared to lsu as evidenced by the scores and statistics. you are arguing that our baskeball team learns more about being a team when they play the miami heat than what they do when they play the tennessee vols. its a nonsensical argument. sec teams are playing teams like indiana, wake forest, army, rutgers, washington state, utah state, etc. so why shouldn't we? each and every one of those opponents has been on an sec ooc regular-season schedule in the last half-decade. tell us more about how it has crippled their ability to succeed while we are off scheduling teams like osu, oregon, west virginia, and ga tech and reaping the wondrous rewards that accompany playing teams like that. pretty sure, its just the opposite of reality.

 

[Shamoan]

very true and sobering thought...i blame collins.

 

[57stratdawg]

We should only schedule historically poor team like Baylor, right? Because we're surely not good enough to go to Austin and beat the University of Texas.**

Oklahoma State went 7-5 last year, we went 8-4. Both teams returned basically the same number of starters. That's not good enough? We can't schedule these games in March after we see how everyone looks in Spring Practice.

The real issue here is that when the lights get bright, Mullen shrinks. Don't lose sight of that.

 

[CoolDawg]

It amazes me the lengths that some MSU fans will go to in order to apologize for Mullen. There is no excuse for MSU not to be able to compete with Oklahoma State in Mullen's fifth year at the helm. If we can't compete with them, we will never be able to compete with the big boys in the SEC. Last year showed that you can't build a program by playing nothing but creampuffs. If Freeze can beat Texas in his second year, then Mullen should have been able to be Ok. State in year 5.

 

[Digging dog]

We are also a nut's hair away from being 2-6, too. Near losses to the mighty Bowling Green and Kentucky.

4-4 is probably about right.

This is +1 for Mullen. Sherrill (AKA the Kang on this board) had a knack for loosing these types of games. Maybe he'll win the big ones as he matures, maybe he won't. He does somehow win all of the ones he is supposed to. Not taking sides, just the facts.

 

[Hanmudog]

It amazes me the lengths that some MSU fans will go to in order to apologize for Mullen. There is no excuse for MSU not to be able to compete with Oklahoma State in Mullen's fifth year at the helm. If we can't compete with them, we will never be able to compete with the big boys in the SEC. Last year showed that you can't build a program by playing nothing but creampuffs. If Freeze can beat Texas in his second year, then Mullen should have been able to be Ok. State in year 5.

Just wanted to point out that Texas was missing their top QB and RB to go along with the DC they fired 5 days prior to playing Ole Miss so that win in no way would compare to a win against OK State.

The LSU game would have been a much better example.

 

[Shamoan]

osu was a preseason favorite to win the big 12. we should schedule teams we have a reasonable chance to beat, otherwise its a losing proposition. one thing is for damn sure, we shouldnt be scheduling perennial top 15 teams and teams that were one game away from the national title the season before the deal was made. its insanity. if you seriously think we are at the same level as osu because we return a similar number of starters and had a similar record, you havent been paying attention over the last 2 seasons. they outclass us in nearly every category. PERIOD. we should be scheduling teams that are not largely projected in the top half of their bcs conference...that has proven to nearly almost always exclude teams that have superior talent or coaching...notice i did not say BAD because there is a variable gambit of teams that range from elite all the way down to hapless teams like southern miss the common sense of a child will tell you that baylor is no longer on their traditional level...but teams like rutgers, duke, wake forest, uconn, indiana, illinois, iowa state, utah, utah state, army, kansas, air force, navy, cincinnati, etc., etc., etc. are CLEARLY not on the same level as a baylor, so why even waste time makings such an asinine statement sarcastic or not? any idiot can make a reasonably safe prediction of strength of competition, so why do you keep forcing top 20 teams on msu who has time and time again proven itself incapable of beating top 20 teams? kansas aint beating texas anytime soon, iowa state aint beating texas anytime soon, so-on and so-forth. its not rocket surgery...its understanding our place in the grand scheme of things with relation to the opponents we schedule. if dan mullens ability limits that, that should also be a factor we consider when scheduling opponents as long as he is on staff. we agree on mullen shrinking in the limelight, but we need wins and i believe we can schedule teams like the ones i have listed and benefit both the team and the universitys ability to produce consistent winning results.

would you not enjoy a home and home vs purdue? it gives them one of their best chances to beat a team from the sec and it gives us a reasonable probability of winning. its not guaranteed and we will certainly have to fight for the win instead of what happens against jackson state or oklahoma state or oregon where its a blowout one way or another. vegas had that osu game as a blowout, so why would we make a deal that secured a probable (according to vegas) loss? its really dumb management of a schedule.

 

[Shamoan]

one year proved something in scheduling? the level of ignorance of that statement is astounding. teams like boise state have made a living (and a good one at that) off beating nothing but creampuffs all the way to the national title conversation...so too have multiple big east teams. the sobering truth is that we were not very good last year and it had zero to do with what teams we scheduled. we already played 6 top 25 teams through the season, so by your logic, we should be improving against elite teams. the reality is that we are going in the other direction and the gap between us and the elites is growing, not shrinking. yes, mullen is a shitshow right now...im not making excuses for his incredibly stupid on-field decisions, im talking strictly from a scheduling standpoint. just because its year 5 doesnt mean ****....how long has gundy been at osu? by that simplistic logic, we should expect defeat simply based on tenure.

 

[57stratdawg]

First off, you're advocating a home/home series - that's different than what we scheduled. We haven't had a home/home series signed under Mullen, I don't see that happening.

I'm sure we knew we were going to get a top 25 team in Oklahoma State, but when those talks started LAST YEAR, we were probably undefeated with 75% of our team returning in 2013. Again, Oklahoma State finished the regular season last year 7-5 - we were 8-4.

These sponsored games have ratings to keep in mind. No one wants to watch Mississippi State vs. Army, but an SEC Defense vs. a Big 12 Offense - that can sell.

Nut up son.

 

[121Josey]

I only read the title, but I want to point out that we were 7-2 at some point in the season last year and I didn't have a good feeling about it. Actually, while we were still 7-1, I remember sitting in the stands and yelling "You suck, Wilson!" much to the chagrin of everyone around me.

 

[2001OleMiss]

Do you really believe a team that can't get to a 3-5 conference record should go to a bowl? I hated like hell we scheduled texas (I get it), but there is nothing more boring in my mind beating a shitastic team by 50. I can barely motivate myself to drive 30 mins to Oxford for those games. One challenging game a year is the right schedule for any non-power school. They should schedule 2.

 

[KurtRambis4]

Ex-mother17ing-actly

people that keep bitching about our defense in this game make me want to bash my face against the wall. Defense cost us this game? Seriously? What in the 17 are these people watching? I guaran-god-damn-tee you these same mouth breathers are saying our defense cost us against USCe, too. How do these people even turn their computers on?

 

[Shamoan]

its irrelevant WHEN and WHERE we are scheduling elite teams. quit fooling yourself that that is of any importance whatsoever. we have shown a consistent lack of proper scheduling...either its murderers row for our 4th ooc opponent (top 20 ga tech, oregon, osu, west virginia, whatever) or its total **** teams that nobody wants to see. generally, deals made with other bcs teams is on a home-and-home basis or extended contract basis with equal home representation by each team (assuming its a bcs or major conference d1 foe) and RARELY is it a kickoff classic...so you can stop playing cute. i was under the impression this did not need to be explained.

we have had home and homes under mullen. it seems as though there might be some confusion on what exactly that term means from your end. a home and home means each team plays in the other teams respective cities. we have home and homes coming up with usm...its signed, we have carried though home and homes with troy, georgia tech, la tech, houston, memphis, uab, and tulane. last time i checked, we have been to new orleans, birmingham, memphis, houston, ruston, atlanta, troy etc....sooooo, yeah, you couldnt be more wrong about that. we have had multiple home and homes, some scheduled (signed) and some already played and all those i have listed have been during mullens tenure in some regard. those are not the quality i would prefer, but you are wrong when you say we havent had any. now, some of those are extended contracts for more than 2 games, but the premise is the same...if you deny that, its just on a semantical level. an extended contract over a decade serves the same purpose...either way, usm, ga tech, houston are all true home and homes even in the most basic definitions when semantics are disregarded. 2 games, 2 cities, case closed. mullen caught each of those teams at various levels, but he was 100% there with houston's home and home and presumibly will be for usm. that in itself contradicts your statment. further elaboration is not necessary.

the osu game was announced (per espn) on october 11th 2012....at a time where oklahoma state was 4 games removed from a 12-1 season and a fiesta bowl win (which occurred in the 2011/2012 season). FOUR GAMES REMOVED...that means that, most likely, that contract was in the works FAR before the beginning of the season. I highly doubt that that contract came together AFTER the 2012 had begun, which would only allow a 28 days to get the works of the contract in order....a contract dealing with a host city and all of the logistics that are necessary in scheduling that. so, unless the contract went from start to finish in a 28 day time-span (osu's game 1 vs savannah state was on september 1, 2012 and their last game before the game was announced was on september 29th, 2012 vs texas)...all that to say, it looks like and most likely was orchestrated AFTER osu's fiesta bowl win.....just dumb no matter how you want to look at it. they are a clearly superior team going into the 2012 season...a year we were coming off a 7-6 season.

source: http://www.advocaretexaskickoff.com...game-at-reliant-stadium-in-2013/#.UnmP4-Jm7MU

that game was announced early on in the 2012 (osu had only played 4 games when the game vs msu was announced) season so our best, most accurate knowledge of the skills of the team we were about to schedule was the entirety of the 2011 and their 2012 bowl win season....again, for the sake of emphasis, that was a team that FINISHED 12 wins 1 loss and a BCS Fiesta Bowl win. our overall records at that point in the 2012 season were as useless as your fact finding skills. we had no idea we would finish with 8-5 and more importantly how they would finish because at the time the game was announced, they had only played 4 games.

unless we have some crack logistical experts on staff and some contract gurus that are knowledgable about how to work out all of the agreement issues that accompany a kickoff classic game in an nfl stadium, i seriously doubt that contract was thrown together in 28 days.

no body wanted to watch msu vs osu either....it was EXTREMELY poorly attended and the ratings were atrocious...that has zero relevance to any point you were trying to make. if it can sell, why didnt it? your whole premis is pure ********. you dont have your contract point to stand on because i have already exposed the fact that the game WAS ANNOUNCED 4 and 5 games deep into the season for osu and msu respectively...so our final records had nothing to do with that contract going down. it was largely based on the prior season's performance based on the fact that the season was in its infancy when the series was announced to the public.

you have to be trying to be as illinformed as you are. my hat is off to you.

 

[Shamoan]

we are automatically required to play 5 or 6 extremely challenging games...not sure what adding one more extremely challenging opponent to the schedule would accomplish other than ripping the confidence from the team away the way it has. we would have our hands full with lower tier pac 10, big 12, big 10, acc, and mid level big east teams....auburn who wins roughly 8 games per year has had to reach deep to avoid losses to teams like this over the last several season, so im not clear as to why some of you think these are automatic wins or not challenging to the team. said another way, we should at least prove we can hang with comparable teams from these conferences before we sign ourselves up for a nationally televised ***-beatings by an upper tier team that were one year removed from being a national title contender. its crazy talk. if anything, im fully convinced now that we have the DUMBEST fans on the planet. only 17 stupid-*** blockheaded mississippi state fans would want to go through murder's row that is the sec west AND ON TOP OF IT argue their guts out trying to schedule ANOTHER elite team that will only bludgeon them unmercifully. what the hell is wrong with you people? dont you see your idiocy, and similar lines of thinking to those making the scheduling decisions, are KILLING, CRIPPLING, and MAULING any opportunity this program has of rising out of the ashes? we need wins, not entertaining, flashy drubbing by another elite national power.

the hell is wrong with you people?

 

[DerHntr]

You are right. We should have protected our coach and scheduled only teams that any reasonable person would expect he could beat. Challenging him to get our guys to play above their individual levels as a unit is too much to ask after not playing a game for 8 months.

 

[Shamoan]

trust me, playing wsu or duke would be pushing the team and coaches to the limits enough. we would be fighting for their lives against those types of teams. you already knew that though.

 

[DerHntr]

trust me, playing wsu or duke would be pushing the team and coaches to the limits enough. we would be fighting for their lives against those types of teams. you already knew that though.

And if that isn't enough of an indictment of what we have as a coach, then nothing will be enough.

And for the record, I agree that the OSU scheduling was a bad deal. Our AD knew what he had as a coach too and batted above Mullen's league.

 

[57stratdawg]

Didn't read, but I don't consider Ok State elite. They're good, but they're not Alabama or Oregon. If we're scared, which you seem to be, to step on the field against a top 25 team, something is seriously wrong. Especially considering we were ranked 15 at one point last year

Apologize for the typo, I meant to say we haven't signed a home/home series with a BCS school since Mullen has been here which is what your advocating. I don't see that changing.

Our OSU game's time slot turned out to be one a pretty highly viewed game. I think we were 3rd or 4th of that weekend. Pretty big miss by you on that one.

 

[Shamoan]

either you read it or your ESP skills are off the charts. okie state is elite no matter what you think about it. two seasons ago, they had a single loss on the season and were a late upset at iowa state away from playing for the national title. they are perennial top 10. if that does not qualify as elite, what does? they have had a combine 9 losses in the past 4 seasons, 5 of which came in a single year. not many teams can boast 3 one or two loss seasons over the last 4 years.

you call it scared, i call it smart. if its all about playing the best competition we can find, we immediately need to give oregon, baylor, florida state, and ohio state a call tomorrow. a few seasons of that and we would be virtually unbeatable.

a lot of what we are dealing with is the layover from byrne. these contracts go out multiple years in some cases and byrne's last year on the job was 2010, so the singular impact of what stricklin has done have been 1) schedule a kickoff classic game in houston and 2) schedule a home and home with usm.

normally, the home and home with usm would be a great idea...and it still probably is, but this is an extremely rare case where there are some community college teams that could beat the pants off usm. when that game was scheduled, it was an enticing competitive matchup...and if you recall, some bitched about having to play them because they viewed it as a lose-lose. im not making commentary on that, just stating that for an ad that was hired on may 7th 2010....naturally, its going to take some time to get those games down the pipe. i just hope he has learned his lesson.

you are wrong on the viewership as well. the ratings were a 2.4 in which 3.67 million watched the game, not bad right...well, its bad when you consider that slot was SPLIT between our game and penn state vs syracuse. i guarantee that those pennsylvania and new york viewers boosted those numbers and we still only had 3.67 million....at best, we are responsible for HALF of those viewers. based on our game being responsible for half those numbers, based on that, we took in 1.8 million viewers (again, this is a best case scenario)...that puts us just behind the BUFFALO vs ohio state game and BEHIND the texas tech vs smu game and significantly behind Notre dame vs temple......and on top of that, some of those games werent even broadcast on national channels (nbc, abc, cbs)....ours was (abc) and our viewership was getting mauled by the press. for reference, georgia vs clemson had 8.1 million viewers, texas tech vs smu had 2.1 million viewers (on an non-network broadcast...ie ESPN), bama vs va tech had 5.1 million viewrs (on a non-network broadcast...ie ESPN), buffalo vs ohio state had 1.89 million viewers (on a non-network boradcast...ie ESPN2), temple vs notre dame had 2.5 million viewers (on a NBC), rice vs atm had 4.2 million viewers (on a non-network broadcast...ie ESPN), LSU vs tcu had 3.1 million viewers (on a non-network broadcast...ie ESPN) ....and these are all, excluding the texas tech vs smu game, GAMES ON THE SAME DAY AS OURS!!!! you simply are as dead wrong as you can possibly be. we are on a network channel the primetime time-slot and we cant even beat the tv ratings of a game played on espn2 where a creampuff buffalo team got blown out by ohio state. let that sink in buddy.....let it sink in deep and let it permeate your entire being. you are seriously confusing a SPLIT timeslot where we shared time and a network with another game (PSU vs syracuse) and confusing that for a one game only time slot.

the ranking numbers were atrocious and the attendance was a total disgrace. thems is facts bud.

source:
http://www.sportsmediawatch.com/college-football-tv-ratings/

its all there for you to read, so next time, at least form an educated opinion before you start spouting **** off.


look, im sorry for blowing up, but this revisionist history stuff is ********. attendance was an abomination and the tv viewership was really, really disappointing no matter how you look at it. the nation said that buffalo vs ohio state was a more enticing matchup than ours. what does that say about our program? it speaks volumes regarding our current situation and how the team is viewed nationally. america spoke and they would rather watch texas tech toy with smu than our powerhouse program play uninspired football yet again.

again, im sorry for being so adamant, but you could not be further from the truth. its the internet. there should be no excesses for continuing to make blatantly false assertions. the internet is your friend....use it.

 

[ChinaDogSunflower]

We needed 22 points to beat a top 25 team on a neutral field, and our offense couldn't get it done. That isn't on Stricklin.

I hate to be "that guy", but you are incorrect. We needed 19 points.

 

[ChinaDogSunflower]

But none of that really matters...because we're not. We haven't put together a full game this entire year. Our team is always flat coming out of the tunnel at half -- that is on the coaches shoulders. You can blame the assistants all you want, but how many coordinators will we go through before we compete? We got rid of Wilson. Probably going to get rid of Koenning, not much will change because Mullen likes to have control of the offense -- it's an ego thing.

Now, Mark Hudspeth! I tell you what! he is doing wonderful things down there in Lafayette, LA. Took a piece of coal and turned it into a diamond. Don't be ignorant or neophobic. We can admit that Hud is a better fit. Even if he only accomplishes the same things that Mullen has, at least he is from MS and we game him his dream job. He has a lot of ties in MS and AL and now in LA. It is the right thing for the University.

 

[dogfan96]

OK State is NOT an elite program.. stop it

 

[Dawg1976]

Good point Corso. The could have beens works both ways.

 

[KurtRambis4]

You apparently

watch a completely different football landscape than 99% of the rest of us. From defense being our weak link to OSU being elite.

2012 - 8-5, finished 4th in their division of the B12 and unranked nationally
2011 - 12-1, finished 1st in their division of the B12 and ranked 3rd nationally
2010 - 11-2, finished 2nd in their division of the B12 and ranked 13th nationally
2009 - 9-4, finished 2nd in their division of the B12 and unranked nationally
2008 - 9-4, finished 4th in their division of the B12 and ranked 16th nationally

That is a pretty good 5 year run, overall. Hardly what I (or most) would call "elite".

 

[57stratdawg]

They are not an elite program. They're not even the best program in their state.

How many B12 championships does Oklahoma State have compared to Oklahoma in the last 15 or 20 years?

They are the Auburn Tigers of the Big12 without Cam Newton.

Look, you lost this one. There are random posters popping up just to call you out on how ignorant it is to call Oklahoma State elite. Ouch. It's okay. It happens. Keep your head up.

 

[Shamoan]

i havent said defense is THE weak link, merely pointed out that it is A weak link. ive explained this multiple times already. the offense is really, really bad, the defense is just disappointing and its worse (significantly worse) under collins than it was under wilson. thats an indisputable fact....homie (thought you might enjoy that).

just because i talk about defense while everyone else talks about offense doesnt mean i recognize the defense as being a bigger problem, it means that i want to talk about something else other than what every other post on this board is about...the utter ineptitude of the offense.

osu is elite.....they are 2 years removed from being a shoe-in to the 2011 national title. they had a rebuilding year last year, but here they are, preseason and current favorites to win the big 12 with a 7-1 record. with baylor playing oklahoma this weekend, they will likely assume the number one spot in the big 12 next week. if you are the preseason and late season number one in your conference in a traditional power conference, you are an elite team.

over the last 4 years they are....as you have pointed out they are as follows (and these teams are not chosen randomly...as there are players on the current team that were freshmen back in 2010)

2013 - 7-1 and fresh off destroying the #15 team in the nation by the tune of 52-34 (how convenient to leave off the current team)
2012 - 8-5 rebuilding year
2011 - 12-1
2010 - 11-2

if those are not elite numbers, again, i ask what are? again, outside of the 2012 season, they have a record of 30-4 (.8824 win %). even with that "bad" season, over that same time period, they are 38-9 (.8085 win %). those are elite numbers regardless of what any of you say.

that 4 year stretch of winning at .8824 % is GUARANTEED to put them in the top 10% and i suspect, well inside the 5% out of all ncaa team in that time span. again, the last 3 years additionally to the current season is why the last 4 seasons were sampled....after all, we are talking about whether or not THIS team is elite or not....not whether or not players or the team from 2008 were elite.

name schools that have a better win % than that in a similar time span....go ahead, i challenge you. after alabama, oregon, stanford, and lsu, it starts to dry up REALLY quickly doesnt it? you wanna know why that is? its because those teams are elite as well. having a 4 year time span where you have above a .800 record DOES in fact make you elite. you can massage the irrelevant data all you want, but what happened in 2008 has little to do with the eliteness or non-eliteness of THIS oklahoma state team, no matter how you want to spin it.

 

[Shamoan]

dude, you have got to be a little disconcerted that in the fact that i have exposed every one of your claims as blatantly false....how many beatings can one ill-informed individual endure? you have moxie kid....ill give you that. again, i challenge you to give me more teams outside of bama, lsu, stanford, and osu that have a better record than .800. here is a hint, after those, you might find one...maybe even two or three more if you are lucky, but then you are drawing blanks because there arent any other teams that have that same accomplishment in that time span (2010 - current).

they may not be the best program in the state, but thats not what this debate is about now is it? i never claimed that osu was an elite program. your attempts at trying to instigate a legitimate debate that you are getting blasted in due to your lack of knowledge and apparent total lack of internet research is your undoing. if you want to make this a debate about program elites, we can do that too, but if you are talking about whether or not a TEAM is elite, an individual team's eliteness is NOT the same thing as the eliteness of a program. you know that already, so why would you even waste your time and my time writing that garbage in the first place? BOLDING AND UNDERLINING IRRELEVANT **** DOESNT SEEM TO BE WORKING FOR YOU . that osu team has a 4 year win % of .800...something that only a handfull of teams can boast in that same time period....dare i say, and ELITE few? tell me i just made your shriveled head explode, cause thats some heavy **** right there.

did i lose that one the same way i lost the debate about viewership of the kickoff classic? if so, your getting your *** kicked AGAIN. its time to hang it up buddy....its getting worse for you, not better. normally, its 3 strikes and you are out...here we are with strike 5, yet you keep taking swings. maybe eventually, you will get a hold of one and crush a swinging bunt my way.

 

[KurtRambis4]

aGAIN,

looking at their final rankings and finishes within their conference division, over the past 5 seasons shows they aren't "elite". This cannot be argued.

2012 - 8-5, finished 4th in their division of the B12 and unranked nationally
2011 - 12-1, finished 1st in their division of the B12 and ranked 3rd nationally
2010 - 11-2, finished 2nd in their division of the B12 and ranked 13th nationally
2009 - 9-4, finished 2nd in their division of the B12 and unranked nationally
2008 - 9-4, finished 4th in their division of the B12 and ranked 16th nationally

 

[Shamoan]

who said they were an elite program? I have never said that.

 

[Shamoan]

aGAIN,

what they did in 2008 and 2009 is TOTALLY and COMPLETELY IRRELEVANT to what THIS osu team has done. PERIOD. Their win % from 2010-present (a time span that incorporates EACH and EVERY one of their current players) says that they are among the nations elite. good job on totally avoiding my challenge to list teams with better win % in that timespan. its utterly laughable that you include the record of the 2008 and 2009 yet refuse to include the record of THIS team in a debate that we are discussing the quality of THIS team. its totally asinine. yeah, great job einstein...lets talk about the 2008 and 2009 while excluding the current season while debating the eliteness of THIS team.....you guys are either hilarious, or hilariously stupid.

 

[KurtRambis4]

A

few years does not make someone elite. Was Boise State elite because of a few years they experienced?

ETA: so everyone is stupid but you...makes sense

 

[Shamoan]

watch a completely different football landscape than 99% of the rest of us. From defense being our weak link to OSU being elite.

2012 - 8-5, finished 4th in their division of the B12 and unranked nationally
2011 - 12-1, finished 1st in their division of the B12 and ranked 3rd nationally
2010 - 11-2, finished 2nd in their division of the B12 and ranked 13th nationally
2009 - 9-4, finished 2nd in their division of the B12 and unranked nationally
2008 - 9-4, finished 4th in their division of the B12 and ranked 16th nationally

That is a pretty good 5 year run, overall. Hardly what I (or most) would call "elite".

good thing you know way more about what constitutes elite that a national sports writer that does this thing for a living.

from the osu story that broke this past summer, a quote from the STAFF's collaboration regarding the use of drugs by osu players:

"As the Cowboys became one of the nation's elite teams, players were not only using drugs, but also dealing them."

Read More: http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/college-football/news/20130910/osu-introduction/#ixzz2juGJPJ5x
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glad you know more than those guys. you should really look into taking sports illustrated down brick by brick. clearly you know WAYYYY more than the entire staff of sports illustrated that worked on this collaborate story. please, tell us more how the writers of a nationally published magazine are wrong, and you (and apparently "most" of sps readers...at least according to your estimation) are right. clearly, you know more than any of those idiots....so, tell us all more about how osu is not elite. holy ****...you people are insane.

lets hear your criticisms of those at sports illustrated and what they deem as elite. this ought to be good. tell us more....we are all on the edge of our seats with anticipation.

 

[KurtRambis4]

If you

believe a few (hell one of them hasn't even finished, this year) seasons move a program into elite status, then I have nothing else to say.

It's my believe that it takes more than 2-3 (not that they've showed that) seasons to say someone is elite.

 

[Shamoan]

is that what you got out of the article and quote? clearly, you are a public school grad. i guess they just skipped over the whole "reading comprehension" thing. the article backs my claim that osu is elite and you are understandably upset that you are wrong. hang in there little cub. i guess ill just have to take my medicine from you and stratdawg who clearly know what the 17 you are talking about and are the end-all, be-all experts on what qualifies as elite and the time necessary to become elite. you should send a nasty email the staff of sports illustrated and explain to them why they are errant in saying osu is elite. clearly, you are vastly more knowledgeable than people that do that sort of thing for a living.

i cant believe you would post this **** for free. you are such an endless cache of informed opinions, you should seriously consider charging people for your expertise. additionally, you should have warned me that you were the smartest person on the internet, then i wouldnt have wasted my time making you and stratdawg look like fools, when in reality, sports illustrated and i were the uninformed ones.