Teddy Allen New Mexico State named WAC Player of the Year....Tshiebwe to be named Wooden Player of the Year...when we run em off, we run off THE BEST.
Huggs Knows Talent! He only runs off THE BEST!!
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Teddy Allen New Mexico State named WAC Player of the Year....Tshiebwe to be named Wooden Player of the Year...when we run em off, we run off THE BEST.
There is maybe some legit criticism regarding Tshiebwe, but you destroy the credibility of your argument by mentioning Teddy. The guy got booted off his first transfer team at Wichita State for being a jackass. Then spent a year at a community college. Last year played big boy ball again at Nebraska where he wasnt really a big factor and now has some success after transfering down into the WAC. Carrigan was a top player at that level as well and he hasn't done anything at the big boy level.
I still think Tshiebwe would be fat and lazy without the wake up call he got 2 years ago that caused him to transfer. His own lack of effort contributed to his awful 2020 season more than anything else. So I think him staying at WVU and performing like he has this year at Kentucky would be mutually exclusive propositions. That is unlike Teddy who is clearly not good enough to be star at this level and has off court issues not worth dealing with for his meager production.
Nailed it!Wait for Slagheap Hollow homers to chime in on why we are better off now.
The argument has enough merit without including Teddy. When a player leaves your program with average production and is trashing WVU at every turn, and said player immediately becomes the best player in college hoops somewhere else, then that is a huge problem.
Allen though… sorry I don’t care that a former player from like 6 years ago has used every loophole imaginable to continue his eligibility and finally had a good season for a team that projects to be an AQ tournament team.
Allen though… sorry I don’t care that a former player from like 6 years ago has used every loophole imaginable to continue his eligibility and finally had a good season for a team that projects to be an AQ tournament team.
LMAO...kid leaves and scores 20 in a conference the MEC would dominate and you blame Huggs.
And the morons coming running to slurp you up.
Classic!
And the morons coming running to slurp you up.
Classic!
Shouldn't you worry about finding to a way to beat Michigan in football and basketball?
A suckeye fan living here 24/7...strange
So nothing concerning at all about the best player in college basketball leaving in the fashion he did? Teddy Allen is a joke, but the Oscar divorce is going to be tough to overcome on the recruiting trail.
Lol but he was. We had a huge opportunity with two NBA talents on one team last year, and Huggs couldn’t manage one of them and it capped our ceiling last year and blew up in his face in a national way this year. The idea that having a McD’s AA NBA lock on your roster for two years is a burden is laughable.
which would one rather have, those players winning their award somewhere after WVU or not at WVU? Rejoice in their moment with them because there is no evidence in them winning an award somewhere else that they would have done the same or even team even winning more games had they stayed. Something else hypothetically speaking could have derailed the team. So rejoice. I am glad they won it and if it took BH to "run" them off, run off some more. I really don't care.
Hell, the next thing you know Neal leaves for another school and wins a national championship. What a nice set up to ***** for those living life through a message board. LOL!
Hell, the next thing you know Neal leaves for another school and wins a national championship. What a nice set up to ***** for those living life through a message board. LOL!
Has he beaten up any ladies lately? Is he staying on his meds? What is he a 12 year senior? Do you always stalk former players?Teddy Allen New Mexico State named WAC Player of the Year....Tshiebwe to be named Wooden Player of the Year...when we run em off, we run off THE BEST.
There is no need for me to continue to live in your thick head, rent-free. Just post the address of your nursing home, and I'll mail you a check.
What an absolutely asinine post. Yeah, there's no guarantee that the best players will play the best. It's why NO team concentrates on recruiting the best players. Just sign whoever, cause you never know. There is no correlation between top ranked recruits and winning. It's why UT-Chattanooga blows out Duke every time they play.
I do not rejoice for Oscar because I do not think he has learned his lesson. Sure there was the pandemic, but he came into 2020 fat and out of shape while McBride and Culver were ready to play. Rather than recognizing it and trying to get into playing shape, he loafed and sulked. Once his bubble of being the McDonald's AA player that could do whatever he wanted at "little ole WVU" burst, he ran like a petulant child. Now he is having a great season with a chip on his shoulder like he was so wronged here at WVU and completely in the right. If he put close to the same effort he did in preparation and execution of this season into his last WVU season, he'd be the center piece of the entire WVU team right now. Not saying Huggins was 100% right and without blame, but anyone watching Oscar play in 2020 could see the complete lack of effort which is 100% under his own control.
Yep, sure is an asinine post to inject into the discussion a concept of top ranked recruits of Duke, which they all are and WVU's are not, and two players WVU players, which only one was a top recruit, to a fallacy of UTC beating teams of higher talent. There is no correlation to those two leaving and WVU winning in comparison to a Duke team. Yeah, you got me with the asinine post. Congrats!
I do. He's a kid. Whatever he did prior to and up to WVU, I don't care. Him leaving for whatever reason, that's his business. He got himself together, achieved, and is making a name for himself. I like the story, I like his success, and I like he improved. That's what I want in these kids. And, it's not personal to me. I'm happy for anyone who works to succeed.
I'll have to disagree. I don't think its a good lesson that you should run away from your commitment because you are rightly chastised for not putting in the effort to which you committed. Oscar chose to run away with a chip on his shoulder that he then used to put forth the effort at UK that he originally committed to doing at WVU. He needed to be told that he was playing like garbage and not putting in the work at WVU in 2020. He reacted like a punk with poor character by bitching that WVU is so terribly wrong while he does the work at UK he refused to do at WVU. Again, WVU and Huggins are likely not completely blameless for the nasty split. However, it is undoubted that Oscar put forth practically no effort to maximizing his potential at WVU during the 2020 season which is a sign of poor character on his part.
Okay, disagree. I'll take grace over judgment and the redemptive story he came out a winner as an imperfect 20 year old.
Considering your a suckeye fan that hangs out here 24/7....I'd say we live in your head rent free.
If not...why else are you here all day?
It's not because you are on the BL...Vernon ***** slapped you off of it
Being good at basketball is not redemption for poor character. He broke his word because WVU was not happy with his lazy play. Now he trashes WVU while doing the very thing that WVU asked of him in the first place. You can't have redemption for something if you do not recognize that you were wrong. So I think it sends the wrong message to others to praise or rejoice in someone's good fortune while that person still has no self awareness regarding his or her role in breaking his or her word.
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Bob Huggins had nothing to do with chasing him off. Kentucky cash did that for him. There is no guarantee Oscar goes NBA.
Just my opinion but I believe someone was in Oscar's ear about leaving from the start of the basketball season that year. You can't fight the new way fairly anymore. NIL and transfer rule have ruined college sports. Oscar knew he had to be gone before the start of the semester in January.
He's doing the exact same thing at Kentucky that he was doing here. Get rebounds put the ball back in.
What exactly made Oscar leave? Saying that UK offered him a Bentley and gaudy Royal Oak isn't enough. Shady offers exist for AA recruits starting when they're far younger than a freshman in college. Something got him to WVU, and something pushed him out, and the answer isn't simply money.
Lmao… we were playing him 20 mins per game in a utility role, and you believe there is some grand conspiracy as to why he was unhappy here? He was playing less minutes than Culver and Matthews and slightly more than Gabe! We were submarining his career, and yes he is 100% going to be drafted and will make a roster. There hasn’t been a Wooden Award winner outright miss the NBA in the history of the award, so assuming that Oscar, the odds on favorite to win the award actually does (there is rarely upset winners of such awards) then it would be a truly remarkable event for him to not make a roster.
The football comparison is letting a Heisman winner slip through your own net. It’s an absolute cardinal sin and one that is going to kill this staff in recruiting.
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From what I remember about his recruitment, a WVU booster took him in as a foster kid (think bball version of the blind side) and he was around the program for many years leading up to his decision. We had an unusual advantage, and if we didn’t land him it would have been very strange. Once here we didn’t utilize him properly, it’s undebatable, he’s the best player in college hoops 1 year after leaving us. If he hated WV so much then he would have never committed as he had plenty of exposure to the life of a WVU basketball player. Would he have left if he was a star? Probably, but for the NBA, not Kentucky.
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Oscar played plenty as a freshman and was being hyped as the next big thing for WVU basketball. WVU started 2020 having the idea of the team being a high-low, score in the paint kind of team with him and Culver. Oscar had every opportunity to play like he has this year in 2020. Instead he showed up out of shape resulting in him playing soft on the boards, going up for shots as weakly as my grandmother, and not hustling at all like he did as a freshman. Maybe the high-low offense was a poor use of his talent, but that did not cause Oscar to loaf with the minutes he did have or to spend the offseason falling out of competitive shape. So once the decision was made to not have them both on the floor at the same time due to ineffectiveness, who do you go with? Do you go with the guy who has already spent 2 years with team, showed up in shape, and was at least playing his guts out (although Culver would wane in that hustle well after Oscar started losing minutes)? Or do you go with the guy who has potential, but is playing like an ineffective prima donna? There is no doubt that in the first part of the 2020 - 2021 season Culver was the FAR better player. Despite Oscar having the clearly greater potential and him finally living up to that potential this year does not discount how badly he played and poorly he handled himself the year before.
Just gonna put this in plain sight for everyone to see as the more I think back to this, the more pissed I get.
In a tight game, against the eventual runner up, we played Oscar less than Matthews and Culver and 7 minutes more than Gabe.
WVU vs Gonzaga
To confirm this wasn’t a fluke, the game before against a solid midmajor where we struggled to separate, Oscar actually played less than Gabe in addition to Culver and Matthews.
WVU vs WKU
Absolutely indefensible. Love Huggins, has been a huge get for the University, but it’s time. 68 and runs off great talent, we won’t see an NBA caliber player for the rest of his tenure.
In a tight game, against the eventual runner up, we played Oscar less than Matthews and Culver and 7 minutes more than Gabe.
WVU vs Gonzaga
To confirm this wasn’t a fluke, the game before against a solid midmajor where we struggled to separate, Oscar actually played less than Gabe in addition to Culver and Matthews.
WVU vs WKU
Absolutely indefensible. Love Huggins, has been a huge get for the University, but it’s time. 68 and runs off great talent, we won’t see an NBA caliber player for the rest of his tenure.
All I see is blaming the player, yet in one off-season Calipari brings the best out of him. All I know is the approach of playing him behind Culver and Matthews (both of whom screwed Huggins hard at the end of the season BTW) was not the right move. It’s a huge screw up, one that has put the program in a bad light and will make the handoff to a successor difficult.
Anyone who watched WVU in those games knew that when Culver and Oscar were both on the floor the team was not as good. Also Oscar was in no where near the same physical shape in those games that he is now. He might not have even been able to play more than 20 minutes effectively last year. That aside, the Gonzaga box score doesn't show Oscar clearly out performing Culver, but the WKU box score does show Culver clearly outperforming Oscar.
Last year Oscar was no where near the player he is this year. Had WVU thrown Culver overboard to appease the out of shape guy with potential there is no guarantee that WVU reaps the same rewards that UK has this year. It is more likely WVU gets an even more entitled, half *** effort player that would bail like Konate the moment he wasn't getting fawning media coverage on a highly ranked team. He got the wake up call he needed at WVU to become a better player. He just reacted like a spoiled child to that wake up call by going somewhere else to do the very thing that would have prevented the issues at WVU in the first place.
Oscar is to blame for letting himself get out of playing shape and then putting forth a pitiful effort. Matthews is irrelevant as WVU was worse off when both Culver and Oscar were on the court together. It really was a binary choice between Culver and Oscar as to who got the lion's share of playing time. Had Oscar gotten it, it is still more likely he either leaves WVU after the season or fails to become the player he has at Kentucky without that motivation he got from being called out at WVU.
Doing exact same thing as he did here. Rebound and put back. We know you hate Huggins. You post it constantly.
Just going to put this out there. You claim you love Huggins but you show the man no respect. He has not run off anyone. That's your excuse so you can deal with someone that does not want to be here.
What I like is all you whiners cry non stop and isn't a thing you can do about it. That's the hilarious part.
Lol I/we WVU fans show him plenty of respect. The guy will probably have a statue and his name in rafters even if he is forced out. The point is he is 68, has now finished last in the Big XII in 2 of the past 4 seasons, and last year was playing what is now the best player in college basketball, an insultingly low amount of minutes. Out of “respect” he will not be fired this off-season, but if he doesn’t pull a rabbit out of his *** he should absolutely be fired if we have a similar performance next year.
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I wonder what compelled Oscar to be so "out of shape" last year and playing like a man possessed this year.
If you're serious about performing at the highest level, why go all in your freshman year, slack off in the offseason, transfer, then go all in again.
If you're serious about performing at the highest level, why go all in your freshman year, slack off in the offseason, transfer, then go all in again.