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RedTeamUpstream94

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Get lost

Only a complete dope would be happy with this product

I don’t see a single person that is “happy”

I do see a number of people who can objectively see the overall team improvement compared to previous years (when games against the likes of Michiga, OSU and PSU were clearly out of reach by half time .

Yea our offense sucks. That doesn’t make anyone “happy”

But the team as a whole (particularly the defense) is unquestionably better
 

sct1111

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I don’t see a single person that is “happy”

I do see a number of people who can objectively see the overall team improvement compared to previous years (when games against the likes of Michiga, OSU and PSU were clearly out of reach by half time .

Yea our offense sucks. That doesn’t make anyone “happy”

But the team as a whole (particularly the defense) is unquestionably better
There are still a few rational RU fans?
 

mildone_rivals

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I think we just lack depth and a few more playmakers. Reminiscent of 2005.

We looked tired and beat up today. Too many injuries.
That’s how I see it. And we knew we lacked depth prior to the season. But we have more depth this year than in the past handful or two of years. So the team just needs to keep building depth.
 
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Rokodesh

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I don’t see a single person that is “happy”

I do see a number of people who can objectively see the overall team improvement compared to previous years (when games against the likes of Michiga, OSU and PSU were clearly out of reach by half time .

Yea our offense sucks. That doesn’t make anyone “happy”

But the team as a whole (particularly the defense) is unquestionably better

Defense is better, offense will never be competitive under Schiano against quality opponents. It's just who he is as a coach. He coaches scared and even if the other team is on their 4th string QB, he will coach passively. There is no killer instinct and it stems directly from the head coach. Next year will be no different regardless of who is on the roster. How do people not see that?

And there are posts that replacing Gavin will magically fix the offense. It's absurd.
 

RW90

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I said it in the game thread, but will repeat it here. When was the last time we had a lead against UMich, OSU and PSU in the same season?

We've got a ways to go no doubt, but the question is has Greg done enough to earn more patience in the build process? I'd say yes, but next season will be the tell in my eyes.
 
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sct1111

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Defense is better, offense will never be competitive under Schiano against quality opponents. It's just who he is as a coach. He coaches scared and even if the other team is on their 4th string QB, he will coach passively. There is no killer instinct and it stems directly from the head coach. Next year will be no different regardless of who is on the roster. How do people not see that?

And there are posts that replacing Gavin will magically fix the offense. It's absurd.
He's said over and over that he wants complimentary football. Meaning you play to your strengths. You are conservative when you have a good defense and have a good RB. If we had players like Kenny Britt, Anthony Davis and Ray Rice then I bet he is less conservative.
 
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Rokodesh

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He's said over and over that he wants complimentary football. Meaning you play to your strengths. You are conservative when you have a good defense and have a good RB. If we had players like Kenny Britt, Anthony Davis and Ray Rice then I bet he is less conservative.
We clearly cannot run the ball well up the middle against the elite teams, yet they continue to do so. You don't need Kenny Britt to try something else that will at least give you a chance to gain yards. That's why we're screaming all game about the offensive coaching. It's painfully obvious what doesn't work.
 

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Get lost

Only a complete dope would be happy with this product
Nobody said anything about being happy or not happy. I just stated, without name calling, that you would not have the balls to call any staff member a ***** to their face. You avoided the comment. You are a typical internet loser that probably got his milk money taken every day! Now go lay down for your nap.
 

sct1111

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We clearly cannot run the ball well up the middle against the elite teams, yet they continue to do so. You don't need Kenny Britt to try something else that will at least give you a chance to gain yards. That's why we're screaming all game about the offensive coaching. It's painfully obvious what doesn't work.
You mean throw with our QB who has a 49% completion percentage and 3 pick 6s on the season to our group of average to below average receivers?

That's your winning strategy?
 

Rokodesh

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You mean throw with our QB who has a 49% completion percentage and 3 pick 6s on the season to our group of average to below average receivers?

That's your winning strategy?
He made some good throws today. He's not the reason we lost. We didn't even take a shot at the end zone all game.
 
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RU from Jersey_rivals

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Although the schedule has gotten harder Greg's teams seem to fade toward the end of regular seasons. This even happened during his first go round. I can only think of one year when the team was much better at the end of the year than the beginning and I think that was the year where they had a 3000 yard passer, a 2000 yard rusher and 2 x
1000 yard receivers. Now bowl games were a different story.
 
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sct1111

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He made some good throws today. He's not the reason we lost. We didn't even take a shot at the end zone all game.
I thought he had a good game. Still doesn't mean you put the game in his hands to win us the game with his arm. He hasn't shown he can do this at all this year. He makes.mistakes especially when there's pressure on him. PSU was in the backfield all game. It's a recipe for turnovers, 3 and outs and your defense getting tired early.

That's what you run the ball with your best offensive player and hope your OLine executes blocks. They just didn't, they were overmatched and tired.
 

NickRU714

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He's said over and over that he wants complimentary football. Meaning you play to your strengths. You are conservative when you have a good defense and have a good RB. If we had players like Kenny Britt, Anthony Davis and Ray Rice then I bet he is less conservative.

What was our strength today?
 
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RUShea

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You mean throw with our QB who has a 49% completion percentage and 3 pick 6s on the season to our group of average to below average receivers?

That's your winning strategy?
Maybe letting him throw on 1st down or off play action once in a while would actually help him. The whole world knows we run on 1st and 2nd and don't throw until we have to. That is not helping GW and it hamstrings the whole offense. Get him some easy throws on early downs. Nope. Gotta pound it into 8-9 man fronts every 1st and 2nd down, because that's who we are damnit. It's like GS thinks it's cheating or something to try and fool an opponent. He has this old school "this is what we're going to do, now stop us" mentality, and guess what? They stop us!
 

RUBlackout

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Maybe letting him throw on 1st down or off play action once in a while would actually help him. The whole world knows we run on 1st and 2nd and don't throw until we have to. That is not helping GW and it hamstrings the whole offense. Get him some easy throws on early downs. Nope. Gotta pound it into 8-9 man fronts every 1st and 2nd down, because that's who we are damnit. It's like GS thinks it's cheating or something to try and fool an opponent. He has this old school "this is what we're going to do, now stop us" mentality, and guess what? They stop us!
Bingo!! It’s a stubborn mentality and it creates this perception that we have the players to compete at that level which we all know is not the case. It’s sad

When we lost to Maryland next week what will be everyone’s excuse then?
 

chase07470

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Wake up. WE ARE NEVER GOING TO BE A BLUE BLOOD! IF that is your expectation take an online course at OSU or Bama and pretend you are an Alum of theirs. The chance for Rutgers to be a blue blood sailed many, many years ago... when I was there.
These people remind me of the people who say Rutgers Football should be killed off because it spends so much money, while they ignore how much money the league pays us. Why are fans ignoring the fact we are playing teams that have alumni pouring in $15M a year to pay the fastest, strongest kids to play there? It's just a fact of the game now.

Only way RU flips the table is if one of these billionaires decides they want to have fun and throw a lot of many around at players and see what happens. Unlikely occurrence but that's the only conceivable thing that would change things.

Iowa was the champion of the B1G amateur football teams this year. Penn State was the loser of the professional teams and the winner will be decided when OSU plays Michigan. We beat Maryland and there's a case to be made we finish second among largely amateur teams.
 

RU#1fan

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0-3 vs 3 ranked teams in the last 3 weeks and outscored 85-22. Only difference this year is the easy early schedule got us to a bowl and we didn’t lose to an inferior team. We also beat no one that we shouldn’t have. More of the same next year unless we get a QB.
This 1000%
We still haven’t beaten a Winning team under 2.0
Next year will tough to get to 6 wins with this QB and Offense.
Washington and Oregon will clubber us {instead of Michigan and OSU) and UCLA will be like a PSU loss.
Margin of error will be slim . We know how we fare against the likes of Wisconsin and Minnesota.
 

NickRU714

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Probably our defense for the first half and then they got tired. After that 🤷.

They're a better, deeper team, especially at the lines.

So 1st down punts?
Thanks for the productive conversation.
Really makes your argument shine.
 

RU#1fan

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Bingo!! It’s a stubborn mentality and it creates this perception that we have the players to compete at that level which we all know is not the case. It’s sad

When we lost to Maryland next week what will be everyone’s excuse then?
We’re a young team.
It was a hard fought game
Too many injuries….but so does Maryland
Same BS excuses
Never on the Coaching, game week preparation, or in game scheming. Oh well we have the Bronx to look forward to.. that’s better than last year.
 

RUShea

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Can you idiots put things in perspective. We just lost to the 13 ranked team in the country at their place and had a bowl game clinched for weeks.
Can you idiot understand that it's not that we lost. It's that we didn't even try to win. We were content knowing we had a bowl in the bag and played to keep the score respectable. PSU won by 3 tds anyway. That would be easier to swallow if they went for broke.
 
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Shelby65

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0-3 vs 3 ranked teams in the last 3 weeks and outscored 85-22. Only difference this year is the easy early schedule got us to a bowl and we didn’t lose to an inferior team. We also beat no one that we shouldn’t have. More of the same next year unless we get a QB.
Good thing a crappy MSU team handed us the game after dominating for 3 quarters, else the season would have a very different aura.

The bright side is that only two more years of this QB1/NIL arrangement.
 

brgRC90

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Defense is better, offense will never be competitive under Schiano against quality opponents. It's just who he is as a coach. He coaches scared and even if the other team is on their 4th string QB, he will coach passively. There is no killer instinct and it stems directly from the head coach. Next year will be no different regardless of who is on the roster. How do people not see that?

And there are posts that replacing Gavin will magically fix the offense. It's absurd.
After every loss it's deja vu all over again for the nth time (for the posters with short memories). As long as we have a coach trying to make this style of play work, especially on offense, we're likely to get the same results. A little more depth will probably not make much difference. You need offense that scores.
 

wheezer

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Good thing a crappy MSU team handed us the game after dominating for 3 quarters, else the season would have a very different aura.

The bright side is that only two more years of this QB1/NIL arrangement.
MSU made one mistake, I think our team earned the rest of it
 

sct1111

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Can you idiot understand that it's not that we lost. It's that we didn't even try to win. We were content knowing we had a bowl in the bag and played to keep the score respectable. PSU won by 3 tds anyway. That would be easier to swallow if they went for broke.
Lol whatever. If Gavin throws 30 passes today and we lose by 40 (which would probably happen) you'd be the same idiot saying how we can't even keep the score close against these teams. And how Gavin sucks blah blah blah.. **** gets so old with you types.
 
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NickRU714

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Lol whatever. If Gavin throws 30 passes today and we lose by 40 (which would probably happen) you'd be the same idiot saying how we can't even keep the score close against these teams. And how Gavin sucks blah blah blah.. **** gets so old with you types.

I won't speak for others but I've been saying have Gavin throw 30+ times for weeks. Results be damned.
We already made a bowl - the top priority for the season.
Next is determine if Wimsatt is long term QB for next two years.

If he's bad and doesnt show any glimers of hope - then the staff knows they need to try and move on next year.
If he's good or shows something - that's a headstart on next year. Let him make the mistakes now so he can learn for next year.

Instead, we've gone backwards and thrown less while still losing.
A perfect storm of short sightedness.
 

wheezer

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Lol whatever. If Gavin throws 30 passes today and we lose by 40 (which would probably happen) you'd be the same idiot saying how we can't even keep the score close against these teams. And how Gavin sucks blah blah blah.. **** gets so old with you types.
Throwing more on first downs should keep the other team a bit off balanced and more hesitant on defense

I would love to see us throw after we have had a couple of nice runs. But our approach is, if it works, keep doing it till they stop you
And, against the better teams, they do stop us
But throwing more when the rush is working is a better way to keep a defense honest
 

sct1111

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I won't speak for others but I've been saying have Gavin throw 30+ times for weeks. Results be damned.
We already made a bowl - the top priority for the season.
Next is determine if Wimsatt is long term QB for next two years.

If he's bad and doesnt show any glimers of hope - then the staff knows they need to try and move on next year.
If he's good or shows something - that's a headstart on next year. Let him make the mistakes now so he can learn for next year.

Instead, we've gone backwards and thrown less while still losing.
A perfect storm of short sightedness.
I think we should try to win all our games by using the only player on our offense that is an all-conference player and not by trusting the lowest rated passer in the conference to win us games. Call me crazy.
 

Shelby65

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MSU made one mistake, I think our team earned the rest of it
punter dropped the snap for a TD and they didnt have returner for the pooch kickoff. if either one of those 4th qtr lucky breaks didnt happen we would be 5-6.
 

sct1111

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punter dropped the snap for a TD and they didnt have returner for the pooch kickoff. if either one of those 4th qtr lucky breaks didnt happen we would be 5-6.
If my grandma had wheels, she'd be a bike
 

LotusAggressor_rivals

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I think we can be an Iowa type program.
Iowa consistently has good to very good OL play. For all of the criticism their OC receives, they actually throw the ball to their TEs and sustain enough drives to keep their defense from wearing out. It remains to be seen if RU can achieve that on the offensive side of the ball. The potential for a good OL is there with Flaherty. The jury's out on the coaching of the QB position and the passing game.
 
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