luck is part of the game. no one here wants to contemplate riding your grandma i’m sure, except probably Fieldhouse Al.
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MSU used the same kickoff alignment for the previous kickoff
The announcers even mentioned it, stating MSU probably worrying about an onsides kick, so they had more on the line, almost no one back, which was just stupid
It was not a lucky break there
We took advantage of an alignment of theirs, plain and simple. A coaching mistake. I even saw it in the previous kickoff and called it
In no way a lucky break
It has been rinse and repeat when we have played the good teams this year. No embarrassing 40-50 point blowouts but in the end not really that close either.
We always say with each upcoming game that this one is the most important game of the season. This time I think it's true. Beating Maryland at home to end the regular season would be huge and an accurate barometer of where we are. Another disappointing loss, particularly a blow out shut out like last year, would throw a lot of the good will away this year IMO. Finishing 7-5 would be great and have the exact opposite effect.
I know beating tOSU, Michigan, and PSU are really tough calls and we are not there yet. How we fare against the "second tier" Big Ten teams is how to assess our improvement. For instance, Wisconsin is having, for them, a down year, and Indiana and Northwestern beat them (Northwestern on the road). Iowa is a good team, but in the last 4 games has snuck by Minnesota by 2 points, Northwestern by 3, and Illinois yesterday by 2. Yet they beat RU in a 22-0 shutout that was never in doubt. Those two games were the most disappointing for me this year. That's why this MD game is so important. It shows we're competitive and belong in that second tier and that we're not doing the end of season fade (and every team is dealing with injuries).
The offense needs to show up on Saturday. Expecting more than one touchdown in 12 quarters of play is really not a lot to ask for from this coaching staff and the players, even if playing ranked teams.
Am I happy with the six wins and the improvement shown this year? Definitely. Would I be ecstatic with a season ending win over MD? Absolutely. Am I ready to extend GS and this coaching staff and give them more $$, as many have suggested be done? Definitely not.
We always say with each upcoming game that this one is the most important game of the season. This time I think it's true. Beating Maryland at home to end the regular season would be huge and an accurate barometer of where we are. Another disappointing loss, particularly a blow out shut out like last year, would throw a lot of the good will away this year IMO. Finishing 7-5 would be great and have the exact opposite effect.
I know beating tOSU, Michigan, and PSU are really tough calls and we are not there yet. How we fare against the "second tier" Big Ten teams is how to assess our improvement. For instance, Wisconsin is having, for them, a down year, and Indiana and Northwestern beat them (Northwestern on the road). Iowa is a good team, but in the last 4 games has snuck by Minnesota by 2 points, Northwestern by 3, and Illinois yesterday by 2. Yet they beat RU in a 22-0 shutout that was never in doubt. Those two games were the most disappointing for me this year. That's why this MD game is so important. It shows we're competitive and belong in that second tier and that we're not doing the end of season fade (and every team is dealing with injuries).
The offense needs to show up on Saturday. Expecting more than one touchdown in 12 quarters of play is really not a lot to ask for from this coaching staff and the players, even if playing ranked teams.
Am I happy with the six wins and the improvement shown this year? Definitely. Would I be ecstatic with a season ending win over MD? Absolutely. Am I ready to extend GS and this coaching staff and give them more $$, as many have suggested be done? Definitely not.
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It is because Top 25 teams are much better capitalized and resourced than we are.You're right, competing and expecting a top 25 win once a decade is expecting the moon. What am I thinking?
you are also a poster that doesn't believe in "ifs" when we lose. Can't have it both ways.
Your description is the essence of being lucky.
tOSU playing a 10 man ND team at the end was lucky.
GT beating Miami because they don’t take a knee is luck (needed additional luck in that one).
Nothing wrong with taking advantage of potential outcome changing luck. Some teams blow that opportunity.
That’s silly. Of course it was lucky for RU that MSU didn’t see the obvious. I said before the previous RU kickoff into the same alignment they should have done it then.
I remember just before half during 1.0’s 80-7 loss at WVU Schiano had everyone lined up to block a WVU punt. Seeing no one out wide on the punt team wideout, the punter threw him the easiest TD pass of all time. No defenders anywhere. Stupid for one team is luck for the other.
MSU’s blunder on the pooch kick after the other blunder were both lucky for RU, and allowed RU to come back from 18 down late for the win. I bet the probability of a Rutgers win down 18 in the 4th was less than 2 %. Impossible without a lot of luck.
And RU made plays to capitalize, to their credit. A win is a win.
But without those lucky breaks, more than likely no bowl this year.
No it isn't
Sorry to disagree
I don’t like the idea that we would have lost if we didn’t get that one play
We were fortunate with the play, and we might have won anyway
Would not use it as the reason we won with that alone, it dosen’t give our team credit
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I don't consider it lucky If the head coach had the same alignment twice
It isn't like the team lined up wrong, it was an intentional lineup which he did twice
With the way some think, every big play can be luck
A receiver left uncovered, A tipped pass interception, etc
The game is filled with this " luck"
Silly to harp on we were lucky when we have lost games with unfortunate things also this year included
Everything can be luck
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Oh.. you "remember that" do you?
Never happened. Not in that 80-7 game.
But in a later game something like that did happen. But it was not as you described at all. It was a bonehead move by Schiano though. First he called timeouts to make sure we got to return a punt before half. But he called the last timeout while WVU was already lined up to punt... they were going to punt. But after that timeout with something like 4-6 seconds left they came out of the timeout with their offense.. and two wideouts. It was their QB that threw that TD pass as the clock expired. Stupid as you described.. yes.. but not the punter and not that 80-7 game.
What else do you "remember"?
BTW.. if your grandma had wheels she'd be the grandma of a loser with wheels... she would not be a bike.. as much as everyone liked to ride her.
Well, maybe you are right. It’s not how I remember it more than 20 years ago. Your scenario is completely different though. You could be thinking of a different game. I’m speaking of the 80-7 game.
but the point is the same.
there are lots micro-outcomes in games that are just luck (referee spots, arbitrary holding calls, etc that aren’t usually consequential enough to impact game outcomes but those two plays were much more consequential and unrelated to RU’s execution.
with these two plays, MSU gifted RU an opportunity to win. Without them, probably no bowl unless another WTF MSU play
but the point is the same.
there are lots micro-outcomes in games that are just luck (referee spots, arbitrary holding calls, etc that aren’t usually consequential enough to impact game outcomes but those two plays were much more consequential and unrelated to RU’s execution.
with these two plays, MSU gifted RU an opportunity to win. Without them, probably no bowl unless another WTF MSU play
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Ridiculous post implying the games weren't close. All three games were one score games early in the 4Q. If you don't see the progress made vs. previous years, you're delusional.
I never stated RU would have lost without that KO play. I do think having an opponent not field a kickoff is lucky. If it wasn’t, you would see it happening more often, even in anticipated onside kick instances.