I just want someone fired

preacher_dawg

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Probably not the type of attitude I should have, but it would be nice to see someone fired. Lebby (ok, too soon), Lemonis (well, we just beat the #10 in the nation, so probably not tonight) Selmon, keenum, Pee Wee (sorry I can't remember the name of the WBK coach), whoever is in charge of some game day experience we SPers don't like. The only safe is Jans, not that I am happy, but he is the best coach on campus now. Oh well.
 
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mstateglfr

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I pay nothing to MSU and enjoy following Men's Basketball as well football to a degree and other sports from time to time.

I have nothing invested, being honest. So what I want or don't want is irrelevant. Sucks, but it's reality.

I can just sit here and hope I see better results when watching in the future.
 

L4Dawg

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Probably not the type of attitude I should have, but it would be nice to see someone fired. Lebby (ok, too soon), Lemonis (well, we just beat the #10 in the nation, so probably not tonight) Selmon, keenum, Pee Wee (sorry I can't remember the name of the WBK coach), whoever is in charge of some game day experience we SPers don't like. The only safe is Jans, not that I am happy, but he is the best coach on campus now. Oh well.
Your attitude is THE reason why MSU is what it has always been when it comes to athletics. It is exactly what we have always done, with no thought at all about what comes after “firing someone.” Good lord, make it stop.
 

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Oh Seer, can you go up high and ask our mighty God, who we shall offer for sacrifice?*

We have wondered in this desert for .... 4 years. Must we go another 36?

Our elderly council of the land of milk and honey has passed. A young warrior emerged, maybe all to Sooner, may God fill his sling with mighty rocks for many Goliaths approach our gates.

We have made an idle of a bucket at the diamond of the most beautiful Hall in all the land. Is the golden bucket a thorn in our side?

A noble man of meager means leads the tribe of Humphrey. Please ask our mighty God to bless his tribe with mighty warriors from all the other tribes.

Amen.
 
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Probably not the type of attitude I should have, but it would be nice to see someone fired. Lebby (ok, too soon), Lemonis (well, we just beat the #10 in the nation, so probably not tonight) Selmon, keenum, Pee Wee (sorry I can't remember the name of the WBK coach), whoever is in charge of some game day experience we SPers don't like. The only safe is Jans, not that I am happy, but he is the best coach on campus now. Oh well.
I’m sure there is someone out there that wants you fired too.

But in reality, Selmon did fire Arnett. And in hindsight it appears to have been a mistake.
 
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preacher_dawg

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Your attitude is THE reason why MSU is what it has always been when it comes to athletics. It is exactly what we have always done, with no thought at all about what comes after “firing someone.” Good lord, make it stop.
I wasn't being rational last night, just 100% emotion, but the point being is that mediocrity and worse, seems to be accepted these days at a place I love.
 

Dawg1976

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Based on the evidence, Arnett was 5-7 with 2 P5 wins. Lebby was 3-8 with no P4 wins. We should have never hired either of them, but we took an even bigger step backwards when we replaced Arnett with Selmon's buddy.
Worse than you remember. Lebby was 2-10 last year. But I am hopeful we scrape out 3 wins this year. 🙂
 
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I wasn't being rational last night, just 100% emotion, but the point being is that mediocrity and worse, seems to be accepted these days at a place I love.
We are told day in and day out that we in the cellar when it comes to SEC resources. In a very rural state where we have to bring in out of state players. Not being near a major. Maybe us being mediocre is an achievement. I’m not sure if I’m series or joking. Just pointing out some of the obvious.
 
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I honestly like Jans as the coach. I was frustrated yesterday, not necessarily because of the loss, but because we shouldn’t have been in a 8-9 game. 2 more regular season wins ( which are not hard to find) should have gotten us a 7 seed and a more favorable matchup.
Some coaches perform better in tournaments than others. Jans may not be one of them, but that just means we need to be in a better 1st round position than 8-9.
I also think having a top 25 team in Starkville is a good, attainable goal. We seem to be just short of toeing that line , but it’s within reach.
 
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Based on the evidence, Arnett was 5-7 with 2 P5 wins. Lebby was 3-8 with no P4 wins. We should have never hired either of them, but we took an even bigger step backwards when we replaced Arnett with Selmon's buddy.
Yep. We'd have been better off just letting Arnett and Barbay have a year 2 rather than our current clusterf*ck.

But the problem was and has always been Keenum's bad decision to hire Selmon.
 

615dawg

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Ultimately, Mississippi State folks want a MSU-affiliated person in charge. That's why you see things like Hire Fred Smoot to coach football or if Purcell goes to Auburn, just promote Victoria Vivians. Two examples, but you know what I am getting at.

Rarely does this work out. Cohen loved MSU Baseball. He didn't love MSU. Mike White loves Ole Miss, and that's why ge is working out so well at Ole Miss. Want to really take a look at how bad things are at MSU? Look what is going on at Ole Miss.

Football - 11 win season and will be a playoff contender again
Men's Basketball - in the round of 32, a decent shot at making the Sweet 16
Women's Basketball - should have been a host team, will probably make the Sweet 16
Baseball - Ranked in the Top 25
Softball - Ranked in the Top 25
Volleyball - won an NCAA Tournament game

The only thing we have on them right now is women's soccer, and our coach bolted for Auburn within days of the season ending.

If Selmons leaves and we don't hire John David Wicker, we aren't serious about righting the ship. He should have gotten the job the last two times and Keenum got cute.
 

Son_of_34

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Probably not the type of attitude I should have, but it would be nice to see someone fired. Lebby (ok, too soon), Lemonis (well, we just beat the #10 in the nation, so probably not tonight) Selmon, keenum, Pee Wee (sorry I can't remember the name of the WBK coach), whoever is in charge of some game day experience we SPers don't like. The only safe is Jans, not that I am happy, but he is the best coach on campus now. Oh well.
Ricketts is the best coach in campus right now
 

615dawg

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Ricketts is the best coach in campus right now
Not even close. They are about to lose 10 of their next 12 in SEC play. Great start, but Texas, Tennessee and Oklahoma are going to sweep us.

It's Jans by a country mile.
 

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Ultimately, Mississippi State folks want a MSU-affiliated person in charge.
Not entirely true. MSU people know that deep down this is a hard place to win, really in anything, in the modern era. So we all understand we need someone just a little ‘different’ to do what is necessary.

Baseball may be the only exception, but even baseball loses talent to the big money schools when they are rolling.
 
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615dawg

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You’re bad-mouthing a guy who, in just year 2, is going to produce a 50% increase in wins over his prior year performance. **
He may double it. But that doesn't change the fact that he is a high school level coach that hires his buddies.

If you remember back when we were hiring Mullen, the other major candidate was Kevin Wilson. Lebby is just another version of Kevin Wilson.

Kevin Wilson used Ben Rothensberger at Miami-Ohio to put up big numbers. He went to Northwestern with Walker and rode Walker's coattails to a Big Ten Championship at Northwestern. Then he goes to Oklahoma when OU was pulling the top talent in the country and Stoops was rolling.

He gets his first head coaching job after 21 years of being a D1 assistant coach and bombs at Indiana.

Lebby does the same thing at Baylor with Stoops that Wilson did with Walker. I know that there was some issues, but eight years at Baylor and he has to go to an NAIA school? Huepel bails him out and hires him at UCF for a couple years but doesn't take him to Tennessee. A couple years at Ole Miss and Oklahoma putting up big numbers with offensive minded head coaches.

The fact of the matter is that Selmon should be judged by this lazy hire of Lebby. There were way better coaches available. This is the Clarion Ledger list of candidates to replace Arnett: https://www.clarionledger.com/story...-egg-bowl-gus-malzahn-jeff-lebby/71665570007/

Everyone on the list would have been better than Lebby.
 

She Mate Me

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Probably not the type of attitude I should have, but it would be nice to see someone fired. Lebby (ok, too soon), Lemonis (well, we just beat the #10 in the nation, so probably not tonight) Selmon, keenum, Pee Wee (sorry I can't remember the name of the WBK coach), whoever is in charge of some game day experience we SPers don't like. The only safe is Jans, not that I am happy, but he is the best coach on campus now. Oh well.

Struggling with the the ole sermon this week, huh Preach???
 

preacher_dawg

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He may double it. But that doesn't change the fact that he is a high school level coach that hires his buddies.

If you remember back when we were hiring Mullen, the other major candidate was Kevin Wilson. Lebby is just another version of Kevin Wilson.

Kevin Wilson used Ben Rothensberger at Miami-Ohio to put up big numbers. He went to Northwestern with Walker and rode Walker's coattails to a Big Ten Championship at Northwestern. Then he goes to Oklahoma when OU was pulling the top talent in the country and Stoops was rolling.

He gets his first head coaching job after 21 years of being a D1 assistant coach and bombs at Indiana.

Lebby does the same thing at Baylor with Stoops that Wilson did with Walker. I know that there was some issues, but eight years at Baylor and he has to go to an NAIA school? Huepel bails him out and hires him at UCF for a couple years but doesn't take him to Tennessee. A couple years at Ole Miss and Oklahoma putting up big numbers with offensive minded head coaches.

The fact of the matter is that Selmon should be judged by this lazy hire of Lebby. There were way better coaches available. This is the Clarion Ledger list of candidates to replace Arnett: https://www.clarionledger.com/story...-egg-bowl-gus-malzahn-jeff-lebby/71665570007/

Everyone on the list would have been better than Lebby.
Including Lebby who was on the list? I get it, but hiring a coach is often a shot in the dark. So far, I am not impressed, but it's early.
 

615dawg

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Including Lebby who was on the list? I get it, but hiring a coach is often a shot in the dark. So far, I am not impressed, but it's early.
Willie Fritz at Tulane
Gus Malzahn at UCF
Jon Sumrall at Troy
Rhett Lashee at SMU (this was pre-SMU being in the ACC)

All reportedly would have come to State.

Fritz went to Houston
Malzahn stayed at UCF (and just went to FSU as OC)
Sumrall replaced Fritz at Tulane and won 9 games
Lashee made the CFP and will never be considered at State again. Hell of a coach we could have had.
 

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We are told day in and day out that we in the cellar when it comes to SEC resources. In a very rural state where we have to bring in out of state players. Not being near a major. Maybe us being mediocre is an achievement. I’m not sure if I’m series or joking. Just pointing out some of the obvious.
While true, it is the same position that we’ve been in for decades, yet we’ve managed to compete at the highest level on multiple occasions in every meaningful sport over the last 30 years. Furthermore, even in this ridiculous era of NIL chaos, we could pick out programs across the country with less resources that are putting us to shame in terms of making good use of the resources that they do have.

When you have an administration with vision, coaching staffs that understand what it takes to excel, and accountability, good things happen. We’re currently deficient in each of those areas, so we get what we get
 

biodawg

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If we fired Keenum today and Selmon tomorrow, that would be 2 huge steps in the right direction.
Serious question because I don’t know any better. How do you go about firing a university president? I understand he could be fired for academic performance (from what I’ve read here, our academic rankings have dropped in recent years) and personal reasons, but can you fire a president for an AD hire? I’ve just kind of always assumed that was a position one usually resigns, retires, or just moves on to a better job from.
 

Maroon13

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When it came down to it.... the list of candidates was Barry Odom and Lebby. Odom would have been a better hire but.... that ship has sailed.

Also I think we fans think it is a lot easier than it really is to hire a. Coach, AD and President.
 

615dawg

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Serious question because I don’t know any better. How do you go about firing a university president? I understand he could be fired for academic performance (from what I’ve read here, our academic rankings have dropped in recent years) and personal reasons, but can you fire a president for an AD hire? I’ve just kind of always assumed that was a position one usually resigns, retires, or just moves on to a better job from.
One of the most antiquated things that holds Mississippi back is that we have one board for all eight public universities. So rather than have a board that has Mississippi State's best interest in mind, we have to share that interest with Ole Miss, Southern Miss, and five schools that leech off of our resources.

The current board President is an MSU graduate
The VP is a Southern Miss grad

The other board members
Ole Miss/Ole Miss Law
Southern Miss
Ole Miss
Jackson State
Delta State
Southern Miss/Ole Miss Law
Delta State
Mississippi State
Mississippi State

Just not enough votes in the room to do anything significant. Keenum has to keep three people happy to keep his job. The truth is that it has very little to do with academics as well. The USDA research money keeps flowing into our state with his connections. He'll be here as long as he wants.
 

She Mate Me

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Not much, but struggling to cheer for my beloved team.

Honestly, ask yourself why?

Tough loss yesterday, but we played a competitive game vs a good team in the NCAA tournament. It's been much worse.

Won a great pitchers duel in a Friday night road game in the SEC vs a Top 10, 18-2 opponent. One more win and we're back in the saddle in an outstanding baseball league.

Softball team destroyed a decent team 14-0 on their home field and is 26-5 with a girl batting over .500 31 games into a season.

The girls Bball team plays an NCAA tourney game today that should be competitive and would give them a shot at USC.

I don't understand the gloom around here. Is it all football???
 

leeinator

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Probably not the type of attitude I should have, but it would be nice to see someone fired. Lebby (ok, too soon), Lemonis (well, we just beat the #10 in the nation, so probably not tonight) Selmon, keenum, Pee Wee (sorry I can't remember the name of the WBK coach), whoever is in charge of some game day experience we SPers don't like. The only safe is Jans, not that I am happy, but he is the best coach on campus now. Oh well.
Even though I'm very disappointed in losing to Baylor, Jans is likely the best coach a small market team like us could get. The problem may be we are so small market, that even he may decide to move on soon.
 

BulldogBlitz

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Jans is supposedly a defensive minded coach. I say supposedly because we tend to give up a lot of points to everyone. If his hallmark is defense, he needs to bring in an assistant to run the O, because he didn't find O in the portal (it might as well been a ****). He needs to drag in a bunch of hardcore defenders that will actually do the dentistry. I'd rather lose a 1 point game at 60-59 to a bama or barner, than to go "well, we just need to outscore their 97 points".

I don't know that we will have to worry with jans much longer anyway, since he was actively looking last year.
 

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It worked here with Leach because he was a winner and won everywhere he went. But dumping it in year 1 with Arnett was event #2 that got us to this current dumpster fire.
Correct. Arnett should have been told that the staff stayed intact in 2023. It should have been clear that he was afforded that opportunity due to a tragic event. Basically yeah, he was a half interim. And this should have been explained before he signed on the dotted line.

Then, depending on what happened in 2023, the program would become his and he’d be free to hire an offensive staff.
 

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Serious question, were it not for the Ayres case and ruling, would our academic ratings be as low as they are? I'd bet that our freshman who never graduates rate is probably highest in the SEC.
 

patdog

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Yep. We'd have been better off just letting Arnett and Barbay have a year 2 rather than our current clusterf*ck.

But the problem was and has always been Keenum's bad decision to hire Selmon.
What’s funny is all the people screaming you’ve got to give Lebby 3 years. Where were they last year when we fired a coach after 1 season? We’d be a lot better off if we just kept Arnett another year.