I know they have injuries but the Niners are awful.
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My issues with SF Offense are these:
1) You must establish the run game. All else is secondary to that. They need to load up the line and attempt to ram it down the other team's throat. Kaep is good, they just do not have the receivers to have a wide open offense. They cannot get separation.
2) Massively after #1, you must run down the field play action passing. The post corner routes to Davis, the post to Williams. These things are what were succesful last year ONLY after #1 was established.
I think Harbaugh has been a little too hard headed this year. Trying to prove that he didn't have to do what his tendencies say that he would do. I think he and Kaep both did this. They wanted to prove they were not one trick ponies. Hopefully, they will loosen this up and play normal from here on after this 2nd quarter explosion.
1) You must establish the run game. All else is secondary to that. They need to load up the line and attempt to ram it down the other team's throat. Kaep is good, they just do not have the receivers to have a wide open offense. They cannot get separation.
2) Massively after #1, you must run down the field play action passing. The post corner routes to Davis, the post to Williams. These things are what were succesful last year ONLY after #1 was established.
I think Harbaugh has been a little too hard headed this year. Trying to prove that he didn't have to do what his tendencies say that he would do. I think he and Kaep both did this. They wanted to prove they were not one trick ponies. Hopefully, they will loosen this up and play normal from here on after this 2nd quarter explosion.
The loss of Crabtree really hurt them.. Their passing game isn't good against anybody with a decent team. They don't have a #1 WR (Boldin is good but he doesn't really get much separation). If Davis is healthy, he's their #1 option by a mile. And everybody already knew the zone read stuff won't work over the long haul. It's good here and there but it's only gonna get Kapernick hurt in the long run
I agree on #1 and while I know that they're doing what they can to keep Gore healthy, he's still their best back by a mile and they need to quit screwing around with the carousel backfield. Gore had 21 carries against GB, 9 against Seattle, 11 against the Colts, and 20 last night. Guess which two games San Fran won? Just give the man the ball.
Regarding the passing attack, my primary knock on Kap at this point is this. He has proven that he can make the difficult throws, he has a rocket arm, and he's fast as hell. We all get that... If he wants to be able to sustain drives and turn into the next superstar QB, though, he's going to have to learn that sometimes the 20 yarder just isn't going to be there. That's ok. Take the 5 yard dump off to Gore or the 8 yards to your tight end. When the Niners went 3 and out on several occasions last night, they were nearly always in 3rd and long situations and you're just not going to survive for long when you're running an offense like that.
Finally, the Niners just need to scrounge for as many wins as they can right now and get healthy. Even with PWillis and Aldon out last night, their D was still pretty damn good, but it's a whole lot better when they're playing. On offense, I think they'll look like a difference unit when Davis gets healthy and Crabtree/Manningham get back. When that's going to happen, I have no idea, but you're talking about four all pros that either didn't play last night or they were nowhere near to being healthy(Davis). San Fran will be who we thought they'd be once those guys get back.
Regarding the passing attack, my primary knock on Kap at this point is this. He has proven that he can make the difficult throws, he has a rocket arm, and he's fast as hell. We all get that... If he wants to be able to sustain drives and turn into the next superstar QB, though, he's going to have to learn that sometimes the 20 yarder just isn't going to be there. That's ok. Take the 5 yard dump off to Gore or the 8 yards to your tight end. When the Niners went 3 and out on several occasions last night, they were nearly always in 3rd and long situations and you're just not going to survive for long when you're running an offense like that.
Finally, the Niners just need to scrounge for as many wins as they can right now and get healthy. Even with PWillis and Aldon out last night, their D was still pretty damn good, but it's a whole lot better when they're playing. On offense, I think they'll look like a difference unit when Davis gets healthy and Crabtree/Manningham get back. When that's going to happen, I have no idea, but you're talking about four all pros that either didn't play last night or they were nowhere near to being healthy(Davis). San Fran will be who we thought they'd be once those guys get back.
Excellent point about the 3rd and longs. There were several times last night where Kap could have dumped it off for a short gain on first down but elected to go long or ended up getting sacked while waiting on the deep ball to develop with slow receivers. Tom Brady is a master of taking the short stuff and picking you apart.
The NFL is not very forgiving on 3rd and long. Very low chance of success.
The NFL is not very forgiving on 3rd and long. Very low chance of success.
I drafted Kaep late in my fantasy draft. He scored 30 in his first game. Last weekend he got 4. Last night he got 13. I'm benching him for Rivers.
Alex Smith concealed a lot of that team's flaws. He milked the clock and made smart throws that anyone could catch and that allowed the offense to stay on the field.... which made their defense a lot better than it was. For a team that most people considered the #1 offense, they had a lot of "30-29" type wins.
THEN Kaepernick came in and had that ridiculous game against Green Bay and that unfairly propelled him into football fame. I don't think he's as good as Wilson, RGIII, Newton, or any of the other dual threats.
Alex Smith concealed a lot of that team's flaws. He milked the clock and made smart throws that anyone could catch and that allowed the offense to stay on the field.... which made their defense a lot better than it was. For a team that most people considered the #1 offense, they had a lot of "30-29" type wins.
THEN Kaepernick came in and had that ridiculous game against Green Bay and that unfairly propelled him into football fame. I don't think he's as good as Wilson, RGIII, Newton, or any of the other dual threats.
I think a little game called the Super Bowl propelled him to fame a bit more than a season opener.
You can imagine my anger since I have Gore on my fantasy team. As good as he was last night, what if he was able to add 5-6 catches for 45 receiving yards to his stats every week? There were several times when he was absolutely wide open last night.
Wrong Green Bay game. He was already the "it" guy by the Super Bowl because of what he did to Green Bay shortly after taking Alex Smith's spot, highlighted by that like 75 yard rushing TD. But yes, SB only added to it. THE TRENT DILFER EFFECT!
Completely forget they opened this season with GB, my fault for not clarifying.
Completely forget they opened this season with GB, my fault for not clarifying.
Alex Smith was a very 'serviceable' qb. He was good and I wanted him to be great. If for no other reason than to be another feather in Mullen's hat. However, he was never going to be a great qb. For those of us niner fans that have been here for a while, he was always going to give you an awful game(see the Giants game last year). Plus, his yards per attempt is something like 6yards. There is definitely something to be said for taking the check downs when you need to, but his first option seemed to be the check down. I like Kaep. I just think they may be trying to do too much 'grander' scheme stuff right now. Just run the ball, take the check downs and allow Kaep to let it loose every 3-4 plays. He's still as good as any qb in the league right now. Wilson is a good qb in Seattle. Everyone is glowing over them while they have played 2 games in that snake den. They looked like garbage in Carolina. When Seattle's DBs are forced to play hands off after 5 yards, they play like a completely different team
I agree with that last sentence, but as a Saints fan who hears on a regular basis "yall only won because it was at home" and "you can't play outdoors"... especially "you only won that SB because it was in warm weather... Saints can't play in cold weather"... I take offense to teams only being good because of the venue. Seattle is the real deal.
Obviously you've watched Smith a lot more than I have, but Kaep gets a pass for not having any legitimate receivers but Smith doesn't? C'mon man.
Smith is better than serviceable when you give him weapons, a line, and play calls to his strengths. KC has shown that. His win percentage over the last 3 seasons is the highest in football and if he had finished as the starter for all 16 games last season he would have blown out the efficiency record. Ponder is serviceable, Smith is good.
Obviously you've watched Smith a lot more than I have, but Kaep gets a pass for not having any legitimate receivers but Smith doesn't? C'mon man.
Smith is better than serviceable when you give him weapons, a line, and play calls to his strengths. KC has shown that. His win percentage over the last 3 seasons is the highest in football and if he had finished as the starter for all 16 games last season he would have blown out the efficiency record. Ponder is serviceable, Smith is good.
Seattle is definitely a good team. Never meant to imply that they aren't. However, at their place, they are 3 TDs better than almost any team (as the Saints witnessed a few years ago in the playoffs when 7-9 Seattle beat them). Smith and Kaep played with the same receivers last year and the team was incredibly improved offensively once Kaep took over. It was night and day. Before then, the Niners were a great defense and just enough offense to win. After then, it was an offensive juggernaut. Smith had more than a few weapons during his tenure. I will argue that he had a rotten position what with 8 OCs in 8 years or something like that... But, KC will see. He's a 'pretty' good QB. Nothing more, nothing less. Again, I do not say that wishing him ill. I want him to be successful (for the Mullen reason and because I like the guy. He's tough as nails). He is a guy that with a very good defense and offensive talent, you will win more than you will lose. But, that's about it. Kaep gives the opportunity to be special. The niners are a helluva lot more banged up right now than most NFL teams. I understand that is part of the territory especially when we were so injury free last year. It just sucks.
You just had the feeling that we had seen all we were going to see from Smith whereas Kaepernick's ceiling is in the stratosphere.
I do think the Niners are just a player or two (when they have all their players that is) away from being super elite. Their DBs go through spells where they look great and then suddenly look like garbage and as good as Crabtree was last year I still am not sold on him as an elite receiver like Megatron.
As far as the Seahawks, they have a really good team but they do get away with murder at home. They mugged the hell out of Bouldin in that game a couple weeks ago. If they get home field then you can pencil them in the Super Bowl.
I do think the Niners are just a player or two (when they have all their players that is) away from being super elite. Their DBs go through spells where they look great and then suddenly look like garbage and as good as Crabtree was last year I still am not sold on him as an elite receiver like Megatron.
As far as the Seahawks, they have a really good team but they do get away with murder at home. They mugged the hell out of Bouldin in that game a couple weeks ago. If they get home field then you can pencil them in the Super Bowl.
Agreed, and I really don't understand why so many people seem to be disregarding this. They had 3 of their top 5 players from the entire team out last night and being that VD was 70% at best, you could argue that 4 of their top 6 were injured or out. A lot of teams out there may have the same number of injured players, but not to their top stars.