Did figure that out all by yourself ? You are a real man of genius you old gas passer.
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I Support Greg Schiano
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In some places, coaches are hired to win championships, not collect talent that can win 10 games every year and ultimately fall short in big games. Hence some of the high profile firings we've seen this year.
PSU_Nut's questions are fair.
As are the points you raise about his school and others (e.g., LSU).
But they are different sides of the same coin, aren't they? One the usual winning side, and the other the usual losing side. Higher standards do lead to better results most of the time and more expensive firings.
After one of the most devastating losses of the last decade, I spent Saturday night sulking. What was Greg Schiano doing? He was on the phone flipping a recruit from Louisville to Rutgers.
As we've discussed ad nauseum, he isn't the best coach by a long shot. But history has shown that over the last 40+ years, he has been, by far, the best we've had here. Give him a chance with real support in the NIL era and let's see what happens. Otherwise, you run the risk of another Shea/Ash caliber hire that completely buries the program.
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I don't agree with all of this but at least it's a reasonable take.
I agree with some of this, and it is a reasonable take.
@MADHAT1 surprised me a bit with his post, but if I read his post correctly, we share a similar view. I vacillate between ranting over results and record of 2.0 and realizing that there is a risk in making a change, particularly at this juncture with such a large buyout. We have seen Maryland and Wisconsin take similar approaches, with both programs being in equally or worse situations than Rutgers in football. Wisconsin's is particularly perplexing, but cry me a Wisconsin river-it's good to see them fail and flail.
The approach around raising NIL will only pay dividends in the long run, if not in the short run. If Greg can't get it done with more NIL money (in addition to the revenue sharing portion of the $20.5M), then we will know that we gave him every opportunity to give it his best shot. If he succeeds, then Keli Zinn looks like a genius. If it he does not succeed, then we have an NIL infrastructure in place, which is sorely needed going forward, even though we have revenue sharing.
That think that Michigan State's decision on Jonathan Smith was too hasty. It took him a few years to build downtrodden Oregon State to a ten win season. Don't know what their expectations are-but as Wisconsin has learned since firing Paul Chryst-haste can make waste.
Great breakdown of what we lost on D last season. Damn that was a lot...
The risk is not going all out like the big boys when looking for a HC and giving him what he needs to suceed including the facilities and especially an NIL that recruits and portal players will consider something they feel is a great financial opportunity and with a program committed to sucess.
I feel Greg is doing the best he can with the tools he has to work with and we can say there are others would do a better job in the same situation and more than likely be right .
I say with the tools Hobbs gave Greg2 in the beginning, no coach looking at his future didn't thik sucess at Rutgers could be had with the type of help Gobbs was willing to give whoever took the position ( Schiano had to fight tooth and mail for what he got compromising because RU was really his only shot at being a P-4 HC and Hobbs giving more then he wanted to because those he wanted wouldn't come)
So I say unless Zinn sweetens the pot , G2 probably is as good as it gets and whoever replaces him wouldn't be someone the top programs would consider.
Thanks!
Plus a whole new D staff that really was a last resort! With the known limited NIL resources, it make sense Greg had a hard time finding someone to take on the task.
Regardless we should be in a better spot going forward. More NIL and less repair or holes to fill based on how the 2023, 2024, 2025 and now 2026 look on paper.
Wrong.
The lack of basic understanding between NIL and rev share on this board is astounding.
OK- stated it wrong. All schools have significant money to pay players. And how that directly affects NIL - is that there are now new guidelines that must be followed. While I know that some schools still have some significant Donors who came do a legit big money NIL, most of the majority can no longer do the "no work for pay" NIL deals that have been happening. Yeah- they will find ways around it but no team should be allowed to say they do not have the cash for players. All they can say is that our school decided to use it elsewhere.
I view this as a unique situation since GS has always had a lackluster offense and a respectable defense. I'd like to think he can get the defense humming again quickly. I'm willing to consider 2025 an outlier in that regard for now. With that said, this program is going nowhere if some special teams items are not cleaned up. Giving Penn State the ball at the 40 EVERY possession is embarrassing. You can't win games at Rutgers without finding edges in special teams. I'm also a bit concerned that seemingly no freshman cracked the 2 deep on an aggressively bad defense. I understand that may be the new normal in the transfer portal area, but its shocking that no linebacker could even crack some playing time.
According to Ourlads 2 frosh (1 a redshirt) cracked the 2 deep on D. 1 LB and 1 CB. LB looks solid for next year but help is needed on the DL
President Tate we appreciate the support and kind words! Leadership is measure in conviction, execution, follow through, and in sports winning.
Duff is already gone. The problem is simple and has one root cause. Fire Greg now and bring in someone students, alumni, dans, and corporations can get behind.
We need to raise money and win games ! #Gregmustgo
I understand the fans concerns but those hires and the reason it started:
your beloved son Schiano left us last minute and the incompetent President and AD gave poor Kyle no support.
The subsequent hires were made on the cheap and you got cheap results.
if you believe and Tate and Zinn then there is ZERO reasons not to fire Greg today.
We have a competent President and AD ego is already raising money. The Nil “ salary cap” kicks in.
If Tate and Zinn are leaders who actually lead and not provide lip service then he must go. According to there standard, a standard which they have shouted since they stepped on campus. Then this year is unacceptable.
It’s a perfect time to bring in a named coach and give some wind at the back of Zinn in her efforts.
Im not a supporter of Greg at this point , there is enough data to know what he can and can’t do. He is a program builder and has made us respectable and battling for bowl games , but he will never upset anyone or win a big time home game or beat a ranked team or anything like that - we have the proof.
That all said , he deserves a chance with the new administration with some NIL funds to see if he can provide anything I stated above.
if he can’t do it then he can go next year or the year after - we know how this is gonna end regardless but it wouldn’t be right to fire him right now
That all said , he deserves a chance with the new administration with some NIL funds to see if he can provide anything I stated above.
if he can’t do it then he can go next year or the year after - we know how this is gonna end regardless but it wouldn’t be right to fire him right now
Sure they can. Boosters are way too smart and savvy to let some toothless clearinghouse stop. Lane Kiffin has already stated he was promised a minimum of $25MM in NIL. They will spend that, and there isn’t **** the NCAA wil do about it. You really think schools like LSU are worried about some clearinghouse lol?
Rutgers fans and admin need a reset. While they are figuring out how to not break the rules, successful schools don’t care about the rules and focus on winning.
We gave up 430 yds of offense playing against the 2nd and 3rd string in the 4 th quarter to OSU.
We gave up 509 yds and 40 points to a bad PSU with assistant coaches running the program.
Proud of what? Young men tried hard
GS is done. Multiple scapegoats in numerous OC and DC changes with same results.
bye bye
Understood but if the LSU new leadership that stepped on to the banks is of their word then Greg is gone.
if they are politicians looking to extend their careers they ride out Greg’s tiny contract.
I hear all the time how vastly underpaid Greg is and we need to pay our coachs more. If that is the case then the buyout relative to peers and for the big ten is peanuts.
%Gregmustgo
I actually don't think LSU is going to spend 25M in NIL money for Kiffin. Front loaded deals are going to run their course soon.
I think that's being misunderstood because "NIL" is being said but I think it's just being used as short form way of saying roster compensation meaning both rev share and NIL (3rd party). So I think the 25M (reports of 25-30M) is really roster compensation not exclusively 3rd party NIL.
I found an old article (unfortunately turned to a paywall after the first read) where Zinn was quoted as saying LSU intended to split the rev share as 75% for football, 15% for MBB, 5% for WBB and the rest for other sports. So if you take those numbers that's about 15M rev share for football.
Take that forward to future years and then say LSU pays 15M in rev share and is guaranteeing (not actually allowed to guarantee NIL but nonetheless) another 10-15M in 3rd party NIL. That's how they get to that 25-30M "NIL short form" number. I don't think when that 25M NIL number is thrown out it actually means 25M of 3rd party NIL.
What I've heard on pods and read is that some schools are redirecting corporate sponsor money to the athletic department to players and that's how they get over the rev share cap. I've mentioned that Cody Campbell (TT billionaire booster spearheading their buying spree) quote saying going forward except for a few select situations that legitimate 3rd party NIL isn't that much and that rev share is the biggest piece. This redirecting of athletic department corporate sponsor money to players has become a sort of work around.
Here are some excerpts from articles talking about LSU's 25-30M roster compensation (both rev share and NIL).
While specific details of the contract remain fluid, sources told Yahoo Sports that school executives have discussed a seven-year, incentive-laden deal worth at least $90 million — figures that would make Kiffin, at the very least, tied for the highest-paid coach in the sport. The school is, as well, promising significant NIL and revenue share roster investments exceeding $25 million — perhaps the most important determining factor for the coach.
It is believed that all three programs stand to pay him at least $11 million annually in deals that stretch at least six years. In Baton Rouge, Kiffin’s contract would likely make him, at the very least, tied with the highest-paid coach in the country, Georgia’s Kirby Smart at $13 million. That also includes around a $30 million guarantee for the football roster (revenue-share + NIL).
According to new rules, schools aren’t supposed to guarantee any above-the-cap NIL for their players. And it seems foolish for schools to guarantee NIL to coaches for their rosters. Why? All NIL deals must be approved through the industry’s new clearinghouse, NIL Go, operated by the new enforcement entity, the College Sports Commission.
“You can have $50 million, but in the current system, you’re not going to be able to use it,” Kiffin said. “You can write a contract and say here’s your rev-share and here’s your NIL, but the NIL is not guaranteed until it gets passed.”
The College Sports Commission’s primary focus is to prohibit the phony booster-backed, third-party compensation to athletes prevalent over the last few years.
But will it work without mounds of lawsuits filed by players?
In just its fifth month of operation and with just seven total employees, the College Sports Commission’s enforcement capabilities remain unclear, and no players have directly sued the operation or even taken an NIL claim to arbitration. That’s probably because schools are finding ways to exceed the rev-share cap, mostly through redirecting corporate sponsor money from the athletic department to rosters (many of these are passing NIL Go, so far).
The most aggressive programs believe they can exceed the cap by at least $10 million.
But can a coach rely on a school’s roster guarantees? Kiffin doesn't think so.
“There’s no way to figure that out,” he said. “Why do coaches choose places? This place has all this money, but you don’t even know if you can use it. You can have $50 million for the roster, but if nothing changes and the [lawsuits against the system] don’t come and if it really works how they want, you’ve got to prove these contracts are worth the work players are doing and the markets are going to come way down.”
sports.yahoo.com
sports.yahoo.com
I think that's being misunderstood because "NIL" is being said but I think it's just being used as short form way of saying roster compensation meaning both rev share and NIL (3rd party). So I think the 25M (reports of 25-30M) is really roster compensation not exclusively 3rd party NIL.
I found an old article (unfortunately turned to a paywall after the first read) where Zinn was quoted as saying LSU intended to split the rev share as 75% for football, 15% for MBB, 5% for WBB and the rest for other sports. So if you take those numbers that's about 15M rev share for football.
Take that forward to future years and then say LSU pays 15M in rev share and is guaranteeing (not actually allowed to guarantee NIL but nonetheless) another 10-15M in 3rd party NIL. That's how they get to that 25-30M "NIL short form" number. I don't think when that 25M NIL number is thrown out it actually means 25M of 3rd party NIL.
What I've heard on pods and read is that some schools are redirecting corporate sponsor money to the athletic department to players and that's how they get over the rev share cap. I've mentioned that Cody Campbell (TT billionaire booster spearheading their buying spree) quote saying going forward except for a few select situations that legitimate 3rd party NIL isn't that much and that rev share is the biggest piece. This redirecting of athletic department corporate sponsor money to players has become a sort of work around.
Here are some excerpts from articles talking about LSU's 25-30M roster compensation (both rev share and NIL).
While specific details of the contract remain fluid, sources told Yahoo Sports that school executives have discussed a seven-year, incentive-laden deal worth at least $90 million — figures that would make Kiffin, at the very least, tied for the highest-paid coach in the sport. The school is, as well, promising significant NIL and revenue share roster investments exceeding $25 million — perhaps the most important determining factor for the coach.
It is believed that all three programs stand to pay him at least $11 million annually in deals that stretch at least six years. In Baton Rouge, Kiffin’s contract would likely make him, at the very least, tied with the highest-paid coach in the country, Georgia’s Kirby Smart at $13 million. That also includes around a $30 million guarantee for the football roster (revenue-share + NIL).
According to new rules, schools aren’t supposed to guarantee any above-the-cap NIL for their players. And it seems foolish for schools to guarantee NIL to coaches for their rosters. Why? All NIL deals must be approved through the industry’s new clearinghouse, NIL Go, operated by the new enforcement entity, the College Sports Commission.
“You can have $50 million, but in the current system, you’re not going to be able to use it,” Kiffin said. “You can write a contract and say here’s your rev-share and here’s your NIL, but the NIL is not guaranteed until it gets passed.”
The College Sports Commission’s primary focus is to prohibit the phony booster-backed, third-party compensation to athletes prevalent over the last few years.
But will it work without mounds of lawsuits filed by players?
In just its fifth month of operation and with just seven total employees, the College Sports Commission’s enforcement capabilities remain unclear, and no players have directly sued the operation or even taken an NIL claim to arbitration. That’s probably because schools are finding ways to exceed the rev-share cap, mostly through redirecting corporate sponsor money from the athletic department to rosters (many of these are passing NIL Go, so far).
The most aggressive programs believe they can exceed the cap by at least $10 million.
But can a coach rely on a school’s roster guarantees? Kiffin doesn't think so.
“There’s no way to figure that out,” he said. “Why do coaches choose places? This place has all this money, but you don’t even know if you can use it. You can have $50 million for the roster, but if nothing changes and the [lawsuits against the system] don’t come and if it really works how they want, you’ve got to prove these contracts are worth the work players are doing and the markets are going to come way down.”
Lane Kiffin's decision still hanging over college football as LSU finalizes massive offer for Ole Miss coach
The mercurial coach’s true intent remains a mystery — even to those closest to him, as he decides between staying in Oxford or leaving for open jobs at LSU or Florida.
sports.yahoo.com
Lane Kiffin's decision now looms over all of college football
LSU, Florida or Ole Miss? As it turns out, Lane Kiffin's decision could come sooner than expected and it's playing out publicly in a wholly unprecedented manner.
sports.yahoo.com
Think of revenue sharing as an overall salary cap, probably in the $15-17 M range per year currently for power conf football teams. The question being asked by prospective HC candidates is “How much funding over the cap can you guarantee”? The rumor is that very competitive programs are offering $20-25 M over the rev share cap per year. Supposedly Texas Tech has $7 M alone invested in their DL. That far exceeds what RU has currently for the entire RU team. Rumor is Zinn’s goal is to get RU over the $10 M NIL amount per year. RU has a long way to go.
I think that LSU number is misunderstood. I don't think LSU is offering 20-25M over the cap. I think they're offering 25-30M total in roster compensation and that's about 10M over the cap.
TT is investing a ton on their current roster, that DL number of 7M could be right. There's a key difference in that 7M spend and the LSU numbers for Kiffin. TT front loaded those deals before the July 1 cap deadline. So that's how they, and some other schools, spent quite a bit over the cap. But eventually, those front loaded deals wear off and then revenue share for football of about 13-15M becomes the biggest piece of roster compensation. 3rd party NIL shrinks somewhat but schools are finding a workaround of redirecting athletic department corporate sponsor money to players and those deals are passing the clearinghouse as of now.
The post above with quotes explains it.
You are so wrong it's laughable. But keep spewing that bile and hatred.
Rev share is $20MM. Zero chance LSU is only spending $5MM on NILI actually don't think LSU is going to spend 25M in NIL money for Kiffin. Front loaded deals are going to run their course soon.
I think that's being misunderstood because "NIL" is being said but I think it's just being used as short form way of saying roster compensation meaning both rev share and NIL (3rd party). So I think the 25M (reports of 25-30M) is really roster compensation not exclusively 3rd party NIL.
I found an old article (unfortunately turned to a paywall after the first read) where Zinn was quoted as saying LSU intended to split the rev share as 75% for football, 15% for MBB, 5% for WBB and the rest for other sports. So if you take those numbers that's about 15M rev share for football.
Take that forward to future years and then say LSU pays 15M in rev share and is guaranteeing (not actually allowed to guarantee NIL but nonetheless) another 10-15M in 3rd party NIL. That's how they get to that 25-30M "NIL short form" number. I don't think when that 25M NIL number is thrown out it actually means 25M of 3rd party NIL.
What I've heard on pods and read is that some schools are redirecting corporate sponsor money to the athletic department to players and that's how they get over the rev share cap. I've mentioned that Cody Campbell (TT billionaire booster spearheading their buying spree) quote saying going forward except for a few select situations that legitimate 3rd party NIL isn't that much and that rev share is the biggest piece. This redirecting of athletic department corporate sponsor money to players has become a sort of work around.
Here are some excerpts from articles talking about LSU's 25-30M roster compensation (both rev share and NIL).
While specific details of the contract remain fluid, sources told Yahoo Sports that school executives have discussed a seven-year, incentive-laden deal worth at least $90 million — figures that would make Kiffin, at the very least, tied for the highest-paid coach in the sport. The school is, as well, promising significant NIL and revenue share roster investments exceeding $25 million — perhaps the most important determining factor for the coach.
It is believed that all three programs stand to pay him at least $11 million annually in deals that stretch at least six years. In Baton Rouge, Kiffin’s contract would likely make him, at the very least, tied with the highest-paid coach in the country, Georgia’s Kirby Smart at $13 million. That also includes around a $30 million guarantee for the football roster (revenue-share + NIL).
According to new rules, schools aren’t supposed to guarantee any above-the-cap NIL for their players. And it seems foolish for schools to guarantee NIL to coaches for their rosters. Why? All NIL deals must be approved through the industry’s new clearinghouse, NIL Go, operated by the new enforcement entity, the College Sports Commission.
“You can have $50 million, but in the current system, you’re not going to be able to use it,” Kiffin said. “You can write a contract and say here’s your rev-share and here’s your NIL, but the NIL is not guaranteed until it gets passed.”
The College Sports Commission’s primary focus is to prohibit the phony booster-backed, third-party compensation to athletes prevalent over the last few years.
But will it work without mounds of lawsuits filed by players?
In just its fifth month of operation and with just seven total employees, the College Sports Commission’s enforcement capabilities remain unclear, and no players have directly sued the operation or even taken an NIL claim to arbitration. That’s probably because schools are finding ways to exceed the rev-share cap, mostly through redirecting corporate sponsor money from the athletic department to rosters (many of these are passing NIL Go, so far).
The most aggressive programs believe they can exceed the cap by at least $10 million.
But can a coach rely on a school’s roster guarantees? Kiffin doesn't think so.
“There’s no way to figure that out,” he said. “Why do coaches choose places? This place has all this money, but you don’t even know if you can use it. You can have $50 million for the roster, but if nothing changes and the [lawsuits against the system] don’t come and if it really works how they want, you’ve got to prove these contracts are worth the work players are doing and the markets are going to come way down.”
Lane Kiffin's decision still hanging over college football as LSU finalizes massive offer for Ole Miss coach
The mercurial coach’s true intent remains a mystery — even to those closest to him, as he decides between staying in Oxford or leaving for open jobs at LSU or Florida.
Lane Kiffin's decision now looms over all of college football
LSU, Florida or Ole Miss? As it turns out, Lane Kiffin's decision could come sooner than expected and it's playing out publicly in a wholly unprecedented manner.
Rev share is 20.5M for all sports not just football. The estimates for the football portion of rev share are usually in the13-15M range.
I gave Zinn's quote from when she was at LSU for the split of the rev share for the LSU sports. 75% football, 15% MBB, 5% WBB, 5% the rest. So that means about 15M rev share for football. If they're guaranteeing Kiffin 25-30M in roster compensation that means 3rd party NIL is about 10-15M not 5M.
I'd expect they'd use that redirection of athletic department corporate sponsor money to players to fund some of the 3rd party NIL. Those kind of deals seem to be passing the clearinghouse as of now.
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She was never at LSU when they had rev share so what she may have said was speculation under disffwrwnt leadership.
Even at those numbers there is no way LSU is only spending $10MM on NIl when schools like Oregon spend 4x that.
Not really. Off the pay side for obvious reason as I declared and providing no content moving forward.
Rev share coming down the pipe has been known for some time. Even I have been mentioning it here or 1-2 years before people here realized what it was and what happening. She was there when it was known what was coming down the pipe and they had to plan on how they were going to allocate the funds. It officially started this year but the planning on how to deal with it started much sooner. The first article I read got paywalled off but I found another referencing the quote.
From the article:
LSU will allocate 75% to football, which equals $13.5 million in the first year; 15% to men’s basketball ($2.7 million); 5% to women’s basketball ($900,000); and 5% to the rest of its sports ($900,000). Zinn told The Advocate that every LSU sports team will receive some money.
“There is enough,” Zinn said. “Our ability to do this and also to support that decision, in big part, is our fan base and how much they have embraced and celebrated sports beyond basketball and football. And as long as they continue to do that, they're going to see us work aggressively to make sure those sports are well-positioned for the highest of success.”
LSU to use on-field ads, patches possible to pay athletes in wake of House settlement
Here's a look at how LSU will pay athletes $20.5 million following the House settlement passed on June 6.
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It can be different leadership and percentages allocated to each sport are pliable but do you think they will give 100% to football and nothing anywhere else. If it's not those exact percentages it's in the ballpark.
I've also given the quotes from the yahoo articles stating the 25-30M that's its 3rd party NIL and rev share not just 3rd party NIL
Also quotes from Kiffin himself:
From the article:
“You can have $50 million, but in the current system, you’re not going to be able to use it,” Kiffin said. “You can write a contract and say here’s your rev-share and here’s your NIL, but the NIL is not guaranteed until it gets passed.”
The most aggressive programs believe they can exceed the cap by at least $10 million.
But can a coach rely on a school’s roster guarantees? Kiffin doesn't think so.
“There’s no way to figure that out,” he said. “Why do coaches choose places? This place has all this money, but you don’t even know if you can use it. You can have $50 million for the roster, but if nothing changes and the [lawsuits against the system] don’t come and if it really works how they want, you’ve got to prove these contracts are worth the work players are doing and the markets are going to come way down.”
As to Oregon and Nike, they may be spending a lot now but how much can they in future maybe curtailed somewhat. They likely front loaded a lot of deals before the July 1 deadline like TT. Now can they spend to the same extremes? I'm not sure. Like I said there's that corporate sponsor money to the AD being redirected to the players workaround but I don't know what the extent of that is.
This is the Cody Campbell quote I've posted here. He's the billionaire spearheading TT's spending spree this year with all those front loaded deals and even someone like him says this and how spending will be somewhat curtailed. Redirection of corporate sponsor money from the athletic dept towards players may help some but I don't know how much.
From the article:
As for its roughly $20.5 million revenue sharing pool, 74 percent, or roughly $15.1 million, will be allocated to football. Another 17-18 percent, or around $3.5 to $3.7 million, is to go to men’s basketball, 2 percent to women’s basketball, 1.9 percent to baseball and the rest to Tech’s remaining sports. Campbell vows Texas Tech will pay up to the cap and work hard to get as much third-party NIL as possible but said it’s unlikely to see those numbers skyrocket nationally.
Except for a very few marquee national players, there isn’t a whole lot there on the (true NIL) front,” he said. “There is some. But it doesn’t compare to the amount that is being paid out through revenue share.”
I would take less that 5% of what comes out of Kiffins mouth as gospel.
Unless the players unionize and collective bargain, there is nothing the NCAA can do about some entity paying a player. That’s already been decided by the courts. This is window dressing to make some schools feel better about potentially competing.
The schools with the money will win like they always do and no toothless clearinghouse will be able to stop them.
Unless the players unionize and collective bargain, there is nothing the NCAA can do about some entity paying a player. That’s already been decided by the courts. This is window dressing to make some schools feel better about potentially competing.
The schools with the money will win like they always do and no toothless clearinghouse will be able to stop them.
I get those are the revenue generating sports and that's why they will get the most money but I don't think any school is allocating it in such a way to completely starve the other sports.
Athletic departments are pseudo businesses. Loss generating business lines with no potential of profitability aren't kept around in the "real world" but a college athletic department doesn't operate exactly like that.