Did figure that out all by yourself ? You are a real man of genius you old gas passer.
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I Support Greg Schiano
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In some places, coaches are hired to win championships, not collect talent that can win 10 games every year and ultimately fall short in big games. Hence some of the high profile firings we've seen this year.
PSU_Nut's questions are fair.
As are the points you raise about his school and others (e.g., LSU).
But they are different sides of the same coin, aren't they? One the usual winning side, and the other the usual losing side. Higher standards do lead to better results most of the time and more expensive firings.
After one of the most devastating losses of the last decade, I spent Saturday night sulking. What was Greg Schiano doing? He was on the phone flipping a recruit from Louisville to Rutgers.
As we've discussed ad nauseum, he isn't the best coach by a long shot. But history has shown that over the last 40+ years, he has been, by far, the best we've had here. Give him a chance with real support in the NIL era and let's see what happens. Otherwise, you run the risk of another Shea/Ash caliber hire that completely buries the program.
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I don't agree with all of this but at least it's a reasonable take.
I agree with some of this, and it is a reasonable take.
@MADHAT1 surprised me a bit with his post, but if I read his post correctly, we share a similar view. I vacillate between ranting over results and record of 2.0 and realizing that there is a risk in making a change, particularly at this juncture with such a large buyout. We have seen Maryland and Wisconsin take similar approaches, with both programs being in equally or worse situations than Rutgers in football. Wisconsin's is particularly perplexing, but cry me a Wisconsin river-it's good to see them fail and flail.
The approach around raising NIL will only pay dividends in the long run, if not in the short run. If Greg can't get it done with more NIL money (in addition to the revenue sharing portion of the $20.5M), then we will know that we gave him every opportunity to give it his best shot. If he succeeds, then Keli Zinn looks like a genius. If it he does not succeed, then we have an NIL infrastructure in place, which is sorely needed going forward, even though we have revenue sharing.
That think that Michigan State's decision on Jonathan Smith was too hasty. It took him a few years to build downtrodden Oregon State to a ten win season. Don't know what their expectations are-but as Wisconsin has learned since firing Paul Chryst-haste can make waste.
Great breakdown of what we lost on D last season. Damn that was a lot...
The risk is not going all out like the big boys when looking for a HC and giving him what he needs to suceed including the facilities and especially an NIL that recruits and portal players will consider something they feel is a great financial opportunity and with a program committed to sucess.
I feel Greg is doing the best he can with the tools he has to work with and we can say there are others would do a better job in the same situation and more than likely be right .
I say with the tools Hobbs gave Greg2 in the beginning, no coach looking at his future didn't thik sucess at Rutgers could be had with the type of help Gobbs was willing to give whoever took the position ( Schiano had to fight tooth and mail for what he got compromising because RU was really his only shot at being a P-4 HC and Hobbs giving more then he wanted to because those he wanted wouldn't come)
So I say unless Zinn sweetens the pot , G2 probably is as good as it gets and whoever replaces him wouldn't be someone the top programs would consider.
Thanks!
Plus a whole new D staff that really was a last resort! With the known limited NIL resources, it make sense Greg had a hard time finding someone to take on the task.
Regardless we should be in a better spot going forward. More NIL and less repair or holes to fill based on how the 2023, 2024, 2025 and now 2026 look on paper.
Wrong.
The lack of basic understanding between NIL and rev share on this board is astounding.
OK- stated it wrong. All schools have significant money to pay players. And how that directly affects NIL - is that there are now new guidelines that must be followed. While I know that some schools still have some significant Donors who came do a legit big money NIL, most of the majority can no longer do the "no work for pay" NIL deals that have been happening. Yeah- they will find ways around it but no team should be allowed to say they do not have the cash for players. All they can say is that our school decided to use it elsewhere.
I view this as a unique situation since GS has always had a lackluster offense and a respectable defense. I'd like to think he can get the defense humming again quickly. I'm willing to consider 2025 an outlier in that regard for now. With that said, this program is going nowhere if some special teams items are not cleaned up. Giving Penn State the ball at the 40 EVERY possession is embarrassing. You can't win games at Rutgers without finding edges in special teams. I'm also a bit concerned that seemingly no freshman cracked the 2 deep on an aggressively bad defense. I understand that may be the new normal in the transfer portal area, but its shocking that no linebacker could even crack some playing time.
According to Ourlads 2 frosh (1 a redshirt) cracked the 2 deep on D. 1 LB and 1 CB. LB looks solid for next year but help is needed on the DL
President Tate we appreciate the support and kind words! Leadership is measure in conviction, execution, follow through, and in sports winning.
Duff is already gone. The problem is simple and has one root cause. Fire Greg now and bring in someone students, alumni, dans, and corporations can get behind.
We need to raise money and win games ! #Gregmustgo
I understand the fans concerns but those hires and the reason it started:
your beloved son Schiano left us last minute and the incompetent President and AD gave poor Kyle no support.
The subsequent hires were made on the cheap and you got cheap results.
if you believe and Tate and Zinn then there is ZERO reasons not to fire Greg today.
We have a competent President and AD ego is already raising money. The Nil “ salary cap” kicks in.
If Tate and Zinn are leaders who actually lead and not provide lip service then he must go. According to there standard, a standard which they have shouted since they stepped on campus. Then this year is unacceptable.
It’s a perfect time to bring in a named coach and give some wind at the back of Zinn in her efforts.
Im not a supporter of Greg at this point , there is enough data to know what he can and can’t do. He is a program builder and has made us respectable and battling for bowl games , but he will never upset anyone or win a big time home game or beat a ranked team or anything like that - we have the proof.
That all said , he deserves a chance with the new administration with some NIL funds to see if he can provide anything I stated above.
if he can’t do it then he can go next year or the year after - we know how this is gonna end regardless but it wouldn’t be right to fire him right now
That all said , he deserves a chance with the new administration with some NIL funds to see if he can provide anything I stated above.
if he can’t do it then he can go next year or the year after - we know how this is gonna end regardless but it wouldn’t be right to fire him right now
