I think we can put this debate to bed now
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That has to be full of troll responses from gen z wanting to get a rise out of boomers. There's just no way. I've never heard of this happening in the real world directly. I'm sure the board will offer a few anecdotes though as I'm sure it does happen though and in certain lines of work - which is sad
Well I did find a couple of articles referencing similar things.
ETA: changed didn't to did
I watched my two teenage nieces struggle to figure out how to insert coins into a vending machine.
As those two adorable dumbasses would say, "We're cooked, chat."
As those two adorable dumbasses would say, "We're cooked, chat."
I will give you real life feedback. At least 3-4 times/year, I have a parent show up to an interview with their child(the applicant) and expect to sit in the interview and answer questions for them. Some of the parents are actually offended when I ask them to leave my office. The point I'm making in their reaction is that more often than not, it is a product of the parent instead of the child. The parents have been speaking for the children their whole lives and they expect to continue. Only about 20% of the time did the child actually want the parent to come in with them.
Did they only interview OM fans? When you work for diddy of course your mom talks your boss
That is insanity! What line of work are you in and what types of jobs are these for? Wild to me that the latchkey generation X would facilitate this for their kids. I need to know more about the demographics of who is doing this.
If that is indicative of the generation as a whole this country is screwed. We need less safe spaces and more real world.
I have the same thing happen pretty regularly. Including the parent call in sick for them. I’ve now told them, if i don’t talk to you directly, it is considered and no call, no show. Parents are raising pu$$ies. They’re your kids, not your friends. The friendship comes later in life. Such a disservice to them
This. Its ok to build a relationship that evolves into friendship once you are an adult, but get them off the tit.
Probably travel ball kids.
[DUCKS]
[DUCKS]
Zero which allows me to look at it from the outside in without being tainted emotionally.
You shouldn't be their friend until later in life. You can be friendly but you are their parent first. You have to be able to discipline and allow them to be mad at you.
ETA: My mother and my oldest sister were and are best friends. My older sisters life would be better if they weren't best friends growing up. I'd argue my moms life would be better too. Certainly wouldn't be worse b/c of not being her best friend when she was younger.
I own a small business. I had a father email me his son's resume for an open position for a lower level worker. We did not interview him.
Your lack of emotional taint would be more accurately labeled as ignorance. It "allows" you to have absolutely no idea about the incredible nuance involved in raising a human being over a period of two decades. The day that you have a kid, nothing is ever black and white again, as if it ever was.
Probably need to know the ages of these people. Gen Z includes 13 year olds.
I guarantee that being their best friend from birth to 18 is worse more often than it is better.
And i know its nuanced. I said that. You can be friendly but you arent their friend. you are their parent first. If you can't discipline them, you are doomed.
This is like me trying to say I can rationally speak to how much menstrual cramps actually hurt vs how much they are claimed to hurt, because I am not emotionally connected to the issue.
I wouldn't be surprised if you could speak on menstrual cramps..........for multiple reasons.
"To whom it may concern, can you help get my fat lazy son off the couch and make him less of my problem and more of yours?"
I'm shocked you passed...
There are 70MM Gen Z.
About 1/3 aren't yet adults.
Is this chart representative of only adult working age Gen Z people?...or does it include underage employees as well?
Regardless, I would 17ing love for my mom to make my lunch, talk to my boss for me, and help complete my work.
Hell yes!
**...sorta.
About 1/3 aren't yet adults.
Is this chart representative of only adult working age Gen Z people?...or does it include underage employees as well?
Regardless, I would 17ing love for my mom to make my lunch, talk to my boss for me, and help complete my work.
Hell yes!
**...sorta.
I hoped you wouldn't go there and instead think about the point of the post, but fair enough.
If you think really hard about it, you finally realize that 80% of the population are sheep. So you just allow them to do sheep things, hire them for sheep positions, etc. Or sell them sheep things.
But here again we're talking about pain's 'facts' here. Parents trying to take care of their kids, and crossing the line over into enabling and spoiling, is far from a new thing.
But here again we're talking about pain's 'facts' here. Parents trying to take care of their kids, and crossing the line over into enabling and spoiling, is far from a new thing.
Here again we have goat spouting off at the mouth without providing any sort of proof or evidence to counter pain's "facts".
I think the biggest issue with Gen Z and millennials (I am a millennial) is the people who raised them. I witnessed the rise of travel ball, and everyone gets a trophy. Also, there was a lack of dads in the homes, which often led to kids not having someone teaching them what it means to be a man. No one has shown them what manhood looks like. So, I do not blame them, but the Gen x and boomers. They failed in raising kids.
I got lucky and had a dad and grandfathers who taught me to be a man. My dad would beat my azz. I also remember getting a trophy at Little League, and he told me, "Everyone got one of those tonight, but in life, there are only a few real trophies."
I got lucky and had a dad and grandfathers who taught me to be a man. My dad would beat my azz. I also remember getting a trophy at Little League, and he told me, "Everyone got one of those tonight, but in life, there are only a few real trophies."
Ehhh I'm sure you are generalizing when you say "nothing is black and white"... but just to present another quite experienced view here - there is still a lot of black and white in my household. Whatever I say is the law, and if they don't like it or obey it, there are consequences. For example, them having a phone is a priviledge, not a right. And I'll take that shitt away real quicklike if they do something stupid.
A house with no black and white is begging for chaos. These kids (I'll speak for mine, not yours) aren't mature enough to make good decisions, so it's my job to keep them safe and force them to make good decisions until they are mature enough. Go out to eat at any restaurant and you can tell the households where the inmates run the asylum.
Again, not getting into your business with your kids, but I would say paindonthurt wasn't too far off whether he has kids or not.
Wow. My kids discuss their workplace with me and ask advice on some things, but they've never asked me to do anything directly and they seem to use my advice for just that, advice.
Years ago I had a parent call in for a child. He was incapacitated and in the hospital so it was necessary. Beyond that, never.
Agree. As someone who has kids, I think that you should parent with a goal of a lifelong positive relationship. That mindset helped me hold my kids accountable for things that impacted long term health/integrity and be less harsh/reactive to things that were just kids being kids.
I've stated before that I knew exactly how people should raise kids until I had my own.
I use my dad and uncle for advice a lot. Heck i generally run all my ideas by my dad and friends. Maybe someone has some input that I haven't thought of.
But if my dad calls my work place we got a problem.
A.) he would never even if i asked. If i asked, he'd probably laugh at me.
B.) he wouldn't even know how to get in touch with them if he wanted to. He wouldn't want to.
Irrelevant. I’m no artist but I know art when I see it. I’m no chef but I know good food when I taste it. I probably wasn’t a great parent but I know a kid that needs his *** whipped when I see it. I know a teenager or young adult who is never going to contribute anything to society when I see it.
When mine call, I help most by asking probing questions to get them to think about the issue from different perspectives, ideally helping them become critical thinkers and solve their own problems.
Good parenting. Maybe they'll ask you some good TDS questions!! Kidding. Kind of!
We have very strict rules and consequences for our kids; that goes without saying. They know exactly what they're supposed to be doing and not doing.
I think you know what I mean about black and white. "No black and white" is about being able to make a decision that involves your children and not feeling highly confident in the outcome or efficacy of the choice.
Example- you can get that extra tutor for a kid struggling in middle school algebra or not get that tutor, and you really don't know which choice is going to benefit the child more. Do they end up learning math because they needed to hear the material again in a different way, or do they learn it by having to figure it out on their own? Who knows. Not black and white. That's what I meant.
Or travel ball. /ducks
You and I don't know what it takes to make that art or that food that you can enjoy. That's the point. If I like a work of art, I don't think I know anything about brushstroke technique or color composition. I just know the end result.
There are methods and techniques that take years to learn and refine, and the people who make those things know far more about it than you or I will ever know. I'm okay with that. Parenting is one of those things as well.