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The note he put on Twitter said open attendance welcome. Again that is the note he put on Twitter.

I mean, if he has already told the State writers they didn't have to come because he's announcing Bama, then the cat is out of the bag and he might as well scratch the "big announcement" and just go ahead and commit.
 

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Isn't Lashley J. Cooks' nephew?? I mean, he is on the freaking Ring of Honor!!!! How can we be this inept at signing legacy kids and kids in our own backyard? It shouldn't be this hard.
 

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Isn't Lashley J. Cooks' nephew?? I mean, he is on the freaking Ring of Honor!!!! How can we be this inept at signing legacy kids and kids in our own backyard? It shouldn't be this hard.

Because Mullen is a ****** recruiter and always has been. Not paying our assistants enough hurts as well.
 

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A kid might go to a school 100 miles from home that has won 4 of 7 national championships and you think MSU's coaches somehow aren't interested in the recruiting process? These 18 year old kids don't think like you do. They are much more mature.

What is it going to take to convince some of you that Mullen sucks at recruiting?

Our neighbor is pending crippling probation, we have a 5 star receiver within **** hair distance of the Junction, 4 star legacy Tackle from West Point that would rather ride the pine at Bama for 3 years than start with a bunch of 3 stars, more decommits than any team in the SEC (by far),we can't land ANY of the top 8 players in our state, and Kentucky is pulling in a better class. Look at the top 8 players in our state, they are either red and blue, or they have a giant A beside their name.

We suck at recruiting my friend. We are not going to 3 star the SEC West to death.
 
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Cry probably. Steve R. isnt his usual upbeat self when asked about this on Twitter.

"We'll see."

Lashley was the only instate kid I felt confident about. Now, I'm expecting us to go 0-fer on the rest of the big time kids we're waiting on. It also makes me question how much of a lock the 2017 instate class is.
 

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A kid might go to a school 100 miles from home that has won 4 of 7 national championships and you think MSU's coaches somehow aren't interested in the recruiting process? These 18 year old kids don't think like you do. They are much more mature.

They why doesn't Bama have the #1 recruiting class? Everybody wants to play for them, right? Lashley can go there because everybody else has turned them down. This has been a weird recruiting cycle.
 

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We redshirted 18 last year. I say just sign the ones we get and Mccrae if we can get him. Fire hev and sallach and start '17 recruiting right now

If State hasn't been '17 recruiting for 8 months already, then they're 17ed.
 

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Because Mullen is a ****** recruiter and always has been. Not paying our assistants enough hurts as well.


I see this all the time and I couldn't disagree more... I wouldn't pay this crop of assistants a dime more. Now, if we were to hire some real assistants... I agree in paying them market value.
 

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I see this all the time and I couldn't disagree more... I wouldn't pay this crop of assistants a dime more. Now, if we were to hire some real assistants... I agree in paying them market value.

I'd be totally fine with paying a couple of them a lot less and telling them good luck elsewhere if it's not enough.
 

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You do realize, do you not, that they very well may end up with yet another #1 class, right? They are closing like a MFer.
 

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There have been a lot of things that have combined to hurt us this year. It has been kind of a perfect storm.

The "Dan wants out" thing was very damaging (and it came mainly from Coach34) It was suggesting that Dan would take just about any job just to get away. Coach34 did more damage with that than we can imagine and for no real reason. It was a hatchet job from one of our own and I think he made it all up, anyway.

Then we lost a lot of key assistant coaches/recruiters right at the critical time. Don't really know why that happened but it really hurt. Very hard for new coaches to establish a relationship that late.

Alabama won the National Championship and TSUN won the Sugar Bowl. Both jumped out to big early leads in recruiting and their big time recruits went to work recruiting for them at the all star games and stuff. We didn't have anybody there to offset that. We are stuck in the middle geographically between two programs having big years.

We signed a very good class last year and redshirted a ton of them. Don't think for a minute that this years recruits aren't looking at our depth charts and seeing good players ahead of them. We can't really promise the early playing time right now.

I know this one will be unpopular, but our hysteria over the NOA may have hurt us with some recruits. They don't hate them like we do. They may have been turned off by our behavior about the NOA. It may have looked like a cheap shot from the media to them and worked the opposite from what we expected.

Dak graduating hurts. TSUN spent 4 years saying he wasn't any good and now they say that we will be nothing without him. It is what they do.

What else?
 

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There have been a lot of things that have combined to hurt us this year. It has been kind of a perfect storm.

The "Dan wants out" thing was very damaging (and it came mainly from Coach34) It was suggesting that Dan would take just about any job just to get away. Coach34 did more damage with that than we can imagine and for no real reason. It was a hatchet job from one of our own and I think he made it all up, anyway.

Then we lost a lot of key assistant coaches/recruiters right at the critical time. Don't really know why that happened but it really hurt. Very hard for new coaches to establish a relationship that late.

Alabama won the National Championship and TSUN won the Sugar Bowl. Both jumped out to big early leads in recruiting and their big time recruits went to work recruiting for them at the all star games and stuff. We didn't have anybody there to offset that. We are stuck in the middle geographically between two programs having big years.

We signed a very good class last year and redshirted a ton of them. Don't think for a minute that this years recruits aren't looking at our depth charts and seeing good players ahead of them. We can't really promise the early playing time right now.

I know this one will be unpopular, but our hysteria over the NOA may have hurt us with some recruits. They don't hate them like we do. They may have been turned off by our behavior about the NOA. It may have looked like a cheap shot from the media to them and worked the opposite from what we expected.

Dak graduating hurts. TSUN spent 4 years saying he wasn't any good and now they say that we will be nothing without him. It is what they do.

What else?

Bruiser says thanks for passing along Chapter 1.
 
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I see this all the time and I couldn't disagree more... I wouldn't pay this crop of assistants a dime more. Now, if we were to hire some real assistants... I agree in paying them market value.

Cohen: hires greatest pitching coach available.....brings him in, lets him work.

Mullen: extensive interviews for DC debating scheme, etc....DC must agree on all these "philosophical" things, Mullen keeps his hands all over the D RE play calling, personnel decisions, etc.... won't let the guy work, then, here is the kicker....public *** chewings when the predictably passive D fails. "If you can't do it right I will coach the D?" That has to sting if you a D coordinator. Do I know this to be true. No way, but the evidence is in lateral moves by Collins, Diaz and others.


Painful.


Anyone worth a **** with other options picks those other options, then we have the young up and comers like Diaz, Collins, and now Sirmon. These guys don't want to tolerate the scenario I listed above, so they don't as evidenced by their departure for laterals.


Think of highly rated offensive linemen with options (other than playing for the HEV) kind of like that with assistant coaches. There are some glaring issues to be addressed if we are to move forward. While happy with the wins over the past several seasons, I remain doubtful that meaningful changes will be made.
 

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That's slightly more logical than his suggestion that the NOA sitting on Bjork's desk is a detriment to our recruiting.
 

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Mullen and recruiting do not get along. It's really that simple. The rest is convenient excuses. He maxes out with classes in the 30s or 40s because he is unable or unwilling to do what it takes. And there is apparently no one on campus willing to make him accountable for ****** results.
 

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Mullen and recruiting do not get along. It's really that simple. The rest is convenient excuses. He maxes out with classes in the 30s or 40s because he is unable or unwilling to do what it takes. And there is apparently no one on campus willing to make him accountable for ****** results.

Recruiting rankings...

'15 = 18th
'14 = 35th
'13 = 25th
'12 = 22nd
 

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Rank the SEC west classes. Same time period. I dare you.
 

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Wait,

Mullen: extensive interviews for DC debating scheme, etc....DC must agree on all these "philosophical" things, Mullen keeps his hands all over the D RE play calling, personnel decisions, etc.... won't let the guy work.

Do you know this to be true, or are you just speculating?

evidenced by their departure for laterals

Didn't all of our D-Coordinators move to jobs 1)at bigger, more tradition-rich schools 2)where their home was and/or 3)get paid more? If so, I wouldn't say that they were lateral.
 

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What a crazy theory! The actual recruiters are responsible for doing the job and not the unhinged fringe of the fanbase! Gosh that's so crazy it just might be right. But Hunter does make some good points that recruits closely follow the unhinged portion of each fanbase and make nightly comparisons who comes off the bat **** craziest too.

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Rank the SEC west classes. Same time period. I dare you.

We've won 19 games the last 2 years with those players, so they must not have been that bad.

I'm not happy with our recruiting this year either, but we redshirted 18 from a top 20 class last year... Hopefully we do well recruiting next season and I think we'll be ok
 

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There is a wise old saying in politics. When your opponent is self destructing, let him.

Sit back and quietly enjoy the train wreck. Attacking at that time is often counter-productive. Creates sympathy for the self-destructer, and exaggerating the facts costs us credibility and make us look mean and hateful.
 

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Ok fine. After NSD I want you to tell me which recruits we lost b/c they felt sorry for Ole Miss.\

Also which facts were exaggerated? Hard to exaggerate something that hasn't been revealed, and that's an Ole Miss issue.
 

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Who is our next offensive lineman on our board, I would suspect it would be the

Florence lineman Gentle Williams? Cal committ, wonder if he would flip?
 

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Well, for one thing, he's going to have to quit winning 8-10 games per season.

With all these winning seasons and a Coach who has been here for so long, you would think it would be easier to pick up these guys in our backyard. Recruiting like this will not continue to get us 8-10 wins a season.

I just want us to take that next step and we should be, but we are not.
 
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Either step in from the ledge or jump. Either way, Dan Mullen is going to win games at MSU. But the fact is, when Alabama really wants someone, they almost always get him.
 

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I agree that he is going to win games. And I agree that Alabama can step in and take whoever they want.

To me, it's more of a trend that Mullen loses guys in his backyard and our key rival does not. It's not all about Lashley or even this year, it's a trend. You can choose to see what is slapping you in the face, or you can choose to ignore it.
 

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Mullen and recruiting do not get along. It's really that simple. The rest is convenient excuses. He maxes out with classes in the 30s or 40s because he is unable or unwilling to do what it takes. And there is apparently no one on campus willing to make him accountable for ****** results.

He must be a pretty big overachiever since 3 of the last 4 classes have been better than your assigned theoretical max.
 
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I agree that he is going to win games. And I agree that Alabama can step in and take whoever they want.

To me, it's more of a trend that Mullen loses guys in his backyard and our key rival does not. It's not all about Lashley or even this year, it's a trend. You can choose to see what is slapping you in the face, or you can choose to ignore it.
Who did Mullen lose last year?