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tigres88

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kidmike41 said:
Man that is a hell of a title for this person. If the police shot me while I was armed being an insurgent at a Covid screening checkpoint I would want hellfire to rain down on them. I’m not sure how this is so different
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I mean, this is at least a logical parallel according to maga logic. It would be consistent, which I appreciate.

If the left ever mandated covid vaccines from a federal perspective (they didn't) were walking around big red cities that wouldn't "comply" and asking for their covid passports (never happened in a million years), and going door to door finding those who didn't take the vaccine and ripping them out of their homes to detain them or jail them for refusing the vaccine (would never have happened in a million years either), then yeah, yall should've revolted.

This is different because its armed federal agents directly accosting citizens. Its the FEDERAL GOVERNMENT attacking AMERICAN CITIZEN disruptors and AMERICAN CITIZEN peaceful protestors and killing them. This is completely different
 
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kidmike41 said:
No I don’t think everything is A-OK. Civil Rights are the bedrock of our nation, however flawed our past. You have the right to carry and protest. These agents need to be prosecuted and if a jury finds them guilty so be it. I still can’t get on board with Harris. She was so weak. Look I hear you, but damn how about running a real ******* candidate if you expect to pull me over.

edit: I think the old political parties are changing and no one has found the new normal yet.
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I appreciate your post and honesty. I don't quite understand how a person with small d democratic values can not regret their vote for Trump at this point but it was also never clear to me what horrors Harris was supposedly going to unleash upon us.
 
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TigerRagRob said:
correct but blocking agents and not following lawful orders is illegal. Obstruction and interfering is a felony. Once they tell you that your are detained or under arrest dont resist. You will have your day in court if you think that you are innocent...
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What if you're trespassing in a federal building and an armed police officer warns you not to come through the window you just busted out in your attempt to do harm to Congressmen. Should the officer have the right to shoot you?
 
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dpic73 said:
Because you know the answer playdoh warrior because we previously discussed it and you know you're mis-representing it because you're an objectively terrible person. You don't appear to have a single redeeming value.
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Little racist Ukrainian nazi-lover calling another person "terrible person"....amazing
 
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TigerRagRob said:
If you claim you can clearly see on those videos then you dont have much credibility. Its hard to see anything at all. One video I saw it looks like he pulled the gun out from behind his back and accidently fired a shot that hit the ground and the agents responded by shooting him. But thats not clear either. We need bodycam footage to get a more clear view. If he did pull the weapon then good shoot, if not then bad shoot file charges...
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You can see both hands in front of them from one angle. And you can see an agent pull his gun and walk away with it.

They killed him man. It’s ok to say it was wrong and bad shoot. You even did earlier in the thread but then more arguing happened and it feels like you’re just arguing the other side from people you don’t like. But there are lots of angles. In none of them does he touch his gun. And they shot him 9 more times while he was lying prone on the pavement with no weapon in sight.
 
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UrHuckleberry said:
Blocking agents? They were pepper spraying a lady after they pushed her down. They did not need to do even a little bit of that. It served no purpose. What lawful orders?
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before that those people were attempting to block and interfere with agents. Thats why they got sprayed and pushed...
 
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This is tragic. Terrible. It’s a shame it’s come to this. I seriously wonder if they don’t open the border for four years if Trumps still doing this kinda stuff, I suspect not but that’s not the world we live in. Both sides have escalated this beyond repair now.
 
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dpic73 said:
Because you know the answer playdoh warrior because we previously discussed it and you know you're mis-representing it because you're an objectively terrible person. You don't appear to have a single redeeming value.
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So you think going around calling people who disagree with you Nazi, racist , fascist, gestapo etc is okay, right? That’s my last question and then you should probably put me on ignore like some of the other pu$$ies on here
 
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UrHuckleberry said:
You can see both hands in front of them from one angle. And you can see an agent pull his gun and walk away with it.

They killed him man. It’s ok to say it was wrong and bad shoot. You even did earlier in the thread but then more arguing happened and it feels like you’re just arguing the other side from people you don’t like. But there are lots of angles. In none of them does he touch his gun. And they shot him 9 more times while he was lying prone on the pavement with no weapon in sight.
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Ive stated a few times you cant tell and we need bodycams to see better. You have a narrative you want to be right. Ive stated we will find out more after 72 hours. Ive stated what I thought I saw but also stated that it wasnt clear. Im being fair with that. The title of the thread is incorrect yet its still there without edit.....
 
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JohnHughsPartner said:
So you think going around calling people who disagree with you Nazi, racist , fascist, gestapo etc is okay, right? That’s my last question and then you should probably put me on ignore like some of the other pu$$ies on here
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It has nothing to do with disagreeing with me, it has to do with them being what I call them. Now go away please
 
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TigerRagRob said:
Ive stated a few times you cant tell and we need bodycams to see better. You have a narrative you want to be right. Ive stated we will find out more after 72 hours. Ive stated what I thought I saw but also stated that it wasnt clear. Im being fair with that. The title of the thread is incorrect yet its still there without edit.....
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I just have eyes and have seen videos from 4 different angles. It really is not hard. When did they start wearing body cams?
 
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MTTiger19 said:
This is tragic. Terrible. It’s a shame it’s come to this. I seriously wonder if they don’t open the border for four years if Trumps still doing this kinda stuff, I suspect not but that’s not the world we live in. Both sides have escalated this beyond repair now.
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Agreed we need peaceful separation of the country. That way we all can live our lives the way we want to a degree. The libs still wont get along with the far-left and MAGA still wont get along with the neo-cons all the way. But the far-left and neo-cons dont get along with anybody....
 
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firegiver said:
they were standing on a public sidewalk.. filming. That is not interference. The ICE agents approached them. What was the probable cause to arrest? If they don't have that, they will be stripped on Qualified Immunity, arrested and sent to prison for murder. It's happened before.
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did the officers approach to arrest?
LafayetteBear said:
I know, right?! Except for the part about "running up into a LEO operation obstructing and threatening with a weapon and then resist when they go to take you into custody and pull out said weapon," your take was right on the money. Congratulations.

I fully expect that you will one day be memorialized as a Darwin Award recipient.
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you know, there is a solution to this issue in Minneapolis (why is it always Minneapolis)....

trump agrees to pull back Ice...
Frey agrees that Minneapolis police with use ICE intelligence to arrest the migrant criminals in the city...not enforce immigration law, but to arrest the criminals...that is the job of the police, right?
 
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TigerRagRob said:
Ive stated a few times you cant tell and we need bodycams to see better. You have a narrative you want to be right. Ive stated we will find out more after 72 hours. Ive stated what I thought I saw but also stated that it wasnt clear. Im being fair with that. The title of the thread is incorrect yet its still there without edit.....
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ICE agents don't wear bodycams. And thats a major issue, and you keep bringing it up. That's on the federal government to enforce it
 
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JohnHughsPartner said:
Not a chance you limp, liberal POS
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again, what do you do for a living. I think we need to understand your life a bit more so we can relate to a person declaring that people who disagree with him are 'POS'.
Again, Donald Trump called wounded vets LOSERS. Is he a POS?
 
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firegiver said:
again, what do you do for a living. I think we need to understand your life a bit more so we can relate to a person declaring that people who disagree with him are 'POS'.
Again, Donald Trump called wounded vets LOSERS. Is he a POS?
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I **** your boyfriend for a living. What do you do?
 
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tigres88 said:
We do understand. The ends don't justify the means- your overreaction from the left being @ssholes doesn't constitute widespread federal overreach ending in the murder of citizens
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you started with the overreach by targeting conservatives under Obama. WTF did you think would happen if you did that along with the nazi racist shyatt? Your side attempted multiple coups against trump and tried to kill him multiple times. You murdered Charlie Kirk and killed several other Trump supporters. You used the power of the Gov to go after Trumps lawyers just for representing him legally. I told you guys way back then you guys were crossing the Rubicon and you laughed it off, and here we are...
 
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baltimorened said:
wait a minute, that's a different perspective then the ones put out on here, which have been so certain of exactly what happened. Both can't be true....
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Let's say the ICE agents pistol whipping the citizen accidentally had their pistol go off, and so the other agent shot him 8 times. Let's say an ICE agent saw the gun the citizen had being removed and panicked and so the agent shot him 8 times. Let's say the ICE agent who removed the pistol accidentally fired the citizens pistol, thus made another ICE agent panic and shoot the citizen 8 times.

Is ANY of that defensible? Should ANY of it happened by trained, competent, agents? ANY of it? Can you answer without "he shouldn't have been protesting or armed in the first place" which are American rights that the right FIGHTS for tooth and nail?
 
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