ICE murders another unarmed person

fatpiggy

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Enjoy your state sanctioned murder I guess.
You don't have the balls to go through the video. Because it will show you the truth.

You sit here and ***** and complain about you don;'t have video evidence and then when i break it down frame by frame and try to discuss it like adults you run away.
 
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dpic73

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You don't have the balls to go through the video. Because it will show you the truth.

You sit here and ***** and complain about you don;'t have video evidence and then when i break it down frame by frame and try to discuss it like adults you run away.
What a ginormous stooge you are. I know you have me blocked but I just posted the screenshot showing him waving traffic through and an affidavit from a first-hand witness saying the same. Your credibility is already in the sh*tter.
 

fatpiggy

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At this point he has been pepper sprayed and knows ICE doesn't want him interfering. He still has the opportunity to de escalate and walk away.

1) He is armed and knows the terms of his carry license. He is now in violation.
2) He has been informed by the pepper spray that ICE does not want him interfering
3) He has the opportunity to de escalate and walk away, but does not choose to do so.

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Once could reasonably say he is reaching for his hip here

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fatpiggy

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Here he is grabbing the other protester attempting to drag them for some unknown reason? He is again in violation of his carry license at this point. He is resisting and he he is adding fuel to the fire by grabbing and dragging another protester.

This is protest is no longer peaceful.

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fatpiggy

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The lethal shot is fired at :36 seconds.

He as on the ground, resisting 4 grown males for about :12 seconds and they still did not have control of him.

These videos show clear interference, clear resisting arrest. He is the sole person responsible for his own death.

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It’s quite something to see @fatpiggy absolutely crumble when the reality of what he stood so proud for is 100% against American ideology.

The realization that he is actually supporting the baddies has put his brain into a pretzel.

I’d say it’s entertaining but really it’s sad to see what can happen to an individual.
 

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At this point he has been pepper sprayed and knows ICE doesn't want him interfering. He still has the opportunity to de escalate and walk away.

1) He is armed and knows the terms of his carry license. He is now in violation.
2) He has been informed by the pepper spray that ICE does not want him interfering
3) He has the opportunity to de escalate and walk away, but does not choose to do so.

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Once could reasonably say he is reaching for his hip here

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"He was informed by pepper spray"

I may have liked you better when you were telling me it was reasonable to say my autistic son would never go on a date.
 

fatpiggy

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"He was informed by pepper spray"

I may have liked you better when you were telling me it was reasonable to say my autistic son would never go on a date.
You are just irrational and lying. I'll write you a check for $10,000 right now if you use the quote function where i said your autistic son would never go on a date.

This is the problem. You exaggerate and lie. A perfect microcosm of the democratic party and even this video.


Just so you know, im calling you a pathetic liar to your face. Prove me wrong with the quote function or apologize for lying. But you won't because you have no integrity.
 

TigerRagRob

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lol, how dare he try to stop them from pushing people to the ground, what a TERRORIST
Yes a felony. They ordered them back and out of the street they didnt comply so they they got pushed back and off the road. He has no right to obstruct or interfere, both are a felony. He put the woman in a choke and agents pulled him off and tried to detain him and he resisted, yet another felony. Did so unlawfully armed with a gun(no ID), more felony's...
 

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In this very thread, to you in fact, I admitted that I was wrong and even argued with my fellow left of center people that the thing I was wrong about actually mattered (if only a little). I'm not going to sit here and say that I'm perfect but everything is relative and you've got some nerve telling me that I'm the close minded one.

In fact, look right here:


It's been explained to you ad nauseum what the protests are about and you flat out refuse to incorporate it into your thinking on this subject.

I update my opinions on things based off of good arguments and facts. The right leaning people on this board, to their general discredit, seldom present me with either. You gave me a youtube search term that I pulled up and re-listened to and then I updated my opinion. I bent over backwards to try and work with you on this. In this thread. One other person cited a part of the Constitution that I was unfamiliar with as well and I admitted that I was wrong.

Your argument of "aww shucks, people are saying different things so I'm just going to keep saying platitudes on the board that add nothing to the conversation" has never been a good one. I understand people see this different ways. I disagree that it makes it impossible to get to something resembling the truth and I disagree that it removes our responsibility to actually think about things. In addition, people will disagree on every topic that there has ever been or ever will be. So bringing it up is a waste of time, it adds nothing to the conversation. I've pointed this out to you and you continue to bring the same point with no updates or refinements and expect it to matter. It doesn't.

I'm going to paint with too broad of a brush here when it comes to Conservatives and ingesting difficult information:

maybe I keep bringing it up, because some of you keep throwing opinions as facts and give no credence to the opinions as facts as others.

i'll give an example...somone the other day posted a "fact" that the officer finger was blown off due to his handling of a flash bang. OK I guess that's possible. But here we are days after and still all the media are reporting the incident as finger being bitten off. Well, I guess you might not accept this, but both things can't
possibly be true. But the flash bang was posted a "a fun thing" "fact.

I don't condone what tactics ICE is following in Minneapolis. But ICE agents are not Nazis or the Gestapo.

I don't think I have ever used the term "Aw shucks" ever. And no matter how hard you try, there are normally 2 sides to every convversation. You use and others use the words killing/murder as if its a daily activity for ICE....

If offering the concept that different people see things differently is waste of time, then maybe you should consider that before posting a one sided vision as "fact" without recognizing the other persons vision as an equal "fact"
 
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No one cares that he brought a gun with him. He as well within his rights, until he violated the terms of his license.

He got shot because he interfered with an investigation, assaulted ICE agents, and resisted arrest all while agitators were fueling the fire and confusing the situation. He didn't deserve to die for assaulting an officer and resisting arrest, but it greatly increased the chances of something going wrong of which it did.

His death was at his own hands and could have been totally avoided if this NARCISSIST didn't think he gets to tell ICE how to do their jobs.

I bet this post angered some individuals. If one of them is a nutter, and tracks you down and kills you, we'll say it's because of what you did ... then we'll say you didn't deserve it, but it was your fault.

Makes sense?

No? That's because it's your own logic, and you're functionally special needs.

Sort of like with Charlie Kirk, amirite? He had to know that people might act crazy and violently if he went about trying to brainwash young people through debate parlor tricks ... this is exactly how you reacted to Charlie Kirk's death, right? He didn't deserve it, but it was his fault.
 

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Does it? Hmmm, wonder if there was a federal invasion in the other instances…
well unless those deported just walked up to ICE officers and surrendered, somebody had to arrest/detain them. Again, if I recall correctly ICE was created as part of the Patriot's act, so the same agency we're vilifying today would have been the ones arresting/detaining illegals then.
 
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The lethal shot is fired at :36 seconds.

He as on the ground, resisting 4 grown males for about :12 seconds and they still did not have control of him.

These videos show clear interference, clear resisting arrest. He is the sole person responsible for his own death.

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You're a sad, sick human. There is literally something wrong with you at your core.
 
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baltimorened

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Hopefully his trigger finger.
nope, ring finger
Wait, wait, wait. Clarifying question: you talking about Mark McCloskey in the pic or Alex Pretti? Because if the former, then you are correct; if the latter then you are lying. That's sort of the point.
so pretti didn't have a weapon?, if that true that a different version of every story I's seen, read or heard
 

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Wonder if some Republicans are finally explaining to Grandpa how badly he is tanking the midterms and their foreseeable future once he kicks the bucket...
TBP: I don't know if you noticed the following excerpt from the Tweet/post that Bill Melugin put out, but I thought it was a pretty entertaining insight into the most recent narrative the Trump Cultists are manufacturing with respect to the murder of Alex Pretti. Here it is:

These sources all believe this is going to end up being what they call a “bad shoot”, a “******” situation that happened in seconds where agents likely heard “gun!”, then the disarmed firearm may have had an accidental discharge that spooked the agents, and they shot. The agents do not have the luxury of multiple slow motion angles - and had to make split second decisions.

I have seen posts where it is claimed that someone yelled "gun," but I have yet to review a video where you can hear anyone saying that, at least not audibly. Even our fellow poster Ned admitted that he has never watched a video where anyone shouted or said "gun." But of course, they now want to manufacture an excuse. But Melugin's use of the term "likely heard gun" is tantamount to an admission that no one actually said that. If someone had, the word "likely" would not be a part of Melugin's Tweet/post.

Moreover, note Melugin's speculation that "this disarmed [sic] firearm may have had an accidental discharge that spooked the agents, and they shot." Too bad the video evidence does not support that.

Finally, the best part of Melugin's gaslighting: "The agents do not have the luxury of multiple slow motion angles - and had to make split second decisions. Yeah, like pumping a bullet into a guy being held down by multiple ICE agents, and then pumping an additional nine (9) bullets into him as he lay there flat on his back and motionless.

All of this apologia and effort to manufacture a defense for those "poor" ICE agents led me to wonder who this dude Bill Melugin IS. I clicked on his name and it turns out he is a Faux News reporter. I'm shocked to discover that. Shocked, I say. :rolleyes:
 

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Here he is a few seconds later. In the middle of traffic. Certainly not just standing there directing traffic. He is jaywalking down the middle of the street at a time ICE is trying to do enforcement work. This is interference. He still has the opportunity to go to the sidewalk and safely film.

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What was ICE precluded from doing based on his presence there? In order to "interfere" you have to actually ... you know ... interfere. So, which ICE actions, specifically, were hindered by his presence in the middle of the street?
 

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I suppose I should say i think the majority of people don't care he brought a weapon. It is fairly irrelevant to the situation.

He should not have been interfereing with ICE. He had no right to interfere. He only had the right to peacefully protest. He broke the peace by shoving an officer in the line of work, possibly pulling a gun, and then resisted arrest and further interrupting ICE.

The gun is irrelevant to the point that you don't get to be violent because you don't like the way someone is doing their job. If you do, you risk something going very wrong, including death or incarceration.
I disagree. If he had not had a weapon, he doesn't get shot, IMO. according to multiple reports, Somebody yelled "gun, gun' gun", and according to people on here one of the ICE agents carried the gun away from the scene.

ICE agents don't just go around shooting people for no reason in spite of what Jcarter, rastafarian, flaw and others think.
 
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dpic73

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You are just irrational and lying. I'll write you a check for $10,000 right now if you use the quote function where i said your autistic son would never go on a date.

This is the problem. You exaggerate and lie. A perfect microcosm of the democratic party and even this video.


Just so you know, im calling you a pathetic liar to your face. Prove me wrong with the quote function or apologize for lying. But you won't because you have no integrity.
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nope, ring finger

so pretti didn't have a weapon?, if that true that a different version of every story I's seen, read or heard
Keeping you up to speed is painful. Moron said this:

Which is, in fact, a bold-faced lie. Not only were good MAGAs upset he brought a weapon (and multiple magazines), but they already prognosticated the mass murdering of agents he was going to do as a domestic terrorist hence justifying his pre-action, alternate universe murder. Follow?
 

fatpiggy

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I disagree. If he had not had a weapon, he doesn't get shot, IMO. according to multiple reports, Somebody yelled "gun, gun' gun", and according to people on here one of the ICE agents carried the gun away from the scene.

ICE agents don't just go around shooting people for no reason in spite of what Jcarter, rastafarian, flaw and others think.
I agree. I think my point is that he was well within his rights to have a weapon there. It certainly exacerbated the situation and probably lead to his death. I agree, if he didn't interfere, he would be here today. If he wasn't armed, he would be here today.
 

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Good rebuttal.
Rebuttals don't matter. You refuse to acknowledge the obvious. Literally most all of what you write is contrary to all things known. How do you rebut something that the other person refuses to acknowledge? Like a flat Earther. Furthermore, "rebuttal" assumes a debate and a "debate" assumes that the two individuals acknowledge at least the possibility of the other person's position; hence your use of "rebuttal" is as illogical as the rest of your posts because you lack this capability.
 

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The directing traffic lie is corrected with video evidence. There is no evidence of him directing traffic. If so, please post a picture to back up your claims as i am doing.

There's actual video, not a picture ... but the video ... of him waving people through and telling them to come through. How can you be so confidently opiniated, yet so ignorant of the basic facts?
 
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fatpiggy

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Rebuttals don't matter. You refuse to acknowledge the obvious. Literally most all of what you write is contrary to all things known. How do you rebut something that the other person refuses to acknowledge. Like a flat earther.
OK. I posted pictures to back up all of my comments. Feel free to debate.
 

fatpiggy

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I'm a republican. This was murder.
Republican here also.

Im just calling it like i see it. The officer acted correctly in the Asheligh Babbit shooting, and they acted correctly here.

Party lines should not matter. The facts should matter.
 

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I disagree. If he had not had a weapon, he doesn't get shot, IMO. according to multiple reports, Somebody yelled "gun, gun' gun", and according to people on here one of the ICE agents carried the gun away from the scene.

ICE agents don't just go around shooting people for no reason in spite of what Jcarter, rastafarian, flaw and others think.
He was disarmed when they decided to shoot him anyway. Why don't we go around preemptively shooting everyone who might have a gun on them we can't see?

Another big win for the 2nd Amendment conservatives
 

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Sigh. This was AFTER he had been shot in the back three times and that's his cellphone.

My board life is better since I put that idiot on ignore. He'll likely keep repeating his lie, even though you corrected him. He won't even acknowledge your correction, or try to dispute it ... he'll just act like it didn't happen.

He's a strange individual.