He has his phone in his right hand and his left hand on the ground. It doesn't look like he's reaching for anything, it's probably just momentum from being pistol whipped and beaten by 6 cops.
ICE murders another unarmed person
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It is definitely something clinical that requires a prescription.
They Walked over to them to push him and the women. They sprayed all of them. Tackled him. Saw the gun that he was legally carrying and not holding or going for. Removed it. Then shot him 10 times.
That's blatant murder.
All you have to do is watch the video and you'd know this screenshot was AFTER he had been disarmed and shot in the back three times and it's the same cellphone he had in his hand the whole time. That's how you "can tell"
So you cant contend with the facts he presented, so just call him a name. Tell us you lost that with out telling us...losers
You left out all the parts about interfering and resisting.
He had no right to interfere or resist and was committing several felonies, as i posted above with evidence. No one says he deserves to be shot for that, however, it was those decisions which lead to his accidental death. That does not meet the definition of murder.
Not one lefty has disputed the facts. They all respond with gibberish.
Also included my summary after the exchange. I also never said you specified my son. I said where you said it was reasonable for RFK Jr to imply that.
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Takes a while to go back a year, don't plan on apologizing for anything.
I agree with enforcing immigration laws. I agree that people have a right to protest. I don't agree with someone interfering and getting in the way of the agents trying to do their job. Those people should be arrested......not killed.
This is so incredibly easy to say. Thank you
Why am I getting drug into this? What relevance does this have to ICE.
Bear, I just watched a video on this thread where I did hear someone yell "gun" or a least what sounded like that.TBP: I don't know if you noticed the following excerpt from the Tweet/post that Bill Melugin put out, but I thought it was a pretty entertaining insight into the most recent narrative the Trump Cultists are manufacturing with respect to the murder of Alex Pretti. Here it is:
These sources all believe this is going to end up being what they call a “bad shoot”, a “******” situation that happened in seconds where agents likely heard “gun!”, then the disarmed firearm may have had an accidental discharge that spooked the agents, and they shot. The agents do not have the luxury of multiple slow motion angles - and had to make split second decisions.
I have seen posts where it is claimed that someone yelled "gun," but I have yet to review a video where you can hear anyone saying that, at least not audibly. Even our fellow poster Ned admitted that he has never watched a video where anyone shouted or said "gun." But of course, they now want to manufacture an excuse. But Melugin's use of the term "likely heard gun" is tantamount to an admission that no one actually said that. If someone had, the word "likely" would not be a part of Melugin's Tweet/post.
Moreover, note Melugin's speculation that "this disarmed [sic] firearm may have had an accidental discharge that spooked the agents, and they shot." Too bad the video evidence does not support that.
Finally, the best part of Melugin's gaslighting: "The agents do not have the luxury of multiple slow motion angles - and had to make split second decisions. Yeah, like pumping a bullet into a guy being held down by multiple ICE agents, and then pumping an additional nine (9) bullets into him as he lay there flat on his back and motionless.
All of this apologia and effort to manufacture a defense for those "poor" ICE agents led me to wonder who this dude Bill Melugin IS. I clicked on his name and it turns out he is a Faux News reporter. I'm shocked to discover that. Shocked, I say.
I do wonder why the ICE agents felt the need to shoot so many times. It would seem to me that in addition to gross "overkill" having that many bullets flying around really isn't safe. It's like the Good shooting, no reason to fire 2 bullets though the drivers window when the car was parallel to agent and no danger to him.
I wonder also if firing like this is part of ICE training. In the army you're trained to hit center mass (politicians asking why not shoot him in the leg is laughable). If they're trained that way we need relook that
You shoot a disarmed person 10 times in the back and say it's accidental? The gun left his holster when an officer removed it from the holster and got it off him.
This is what happens when people know they can do whatever they want, here commit murder, and get away with it because the government will lie through its teeth to defend them. The head of DHS said he "brandished." Brandished what?
What in the entire fuq are you dribbling about? Those aren't "facts" and the other side has been stated, repeated, shown, corroborated to the nth degree, multiple times. That is why something is wrong with y'all - you hold your stances in the face of obvious evidence. That is its own form of derangement.
lol sorry on that, truly. Just was searching for what he wanted me to and it was the same thread. Haven't seen you arguing against this insanity like others, and will go edit.
lol the “board life” is all you have. You have no outside life, because you know everyone on the outside laughs at you for being a weak, low T nerd with some kind of peanut allergy . You take getting picked on your whole existence out on this forum for some odd reason. I’m sure it’s SIMPLYCOMPLICATED tho, amirite?
You quoted all that stuff (You didnt even quote any of my old posts).
Can you please just quote the part where i said your child would never go on a date?
Either quote me, or apologize if you have any integrity at all.
It was unfortunate, but yes that is what appears to have happened.
To me it appears they removed the gun, it accidentally discharged, and a different officer mistakenly responded with lethal force. That does not meet the definition of murder.
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well, thanks for absorbing the pain. Why do people feel the need to throw out insults on here?
I don't think he had a plan to mass murder agents. If that was the case, why didn't he while he was in the street?
But, although it's well within his rights, why would he carry a weapon to a situation as volatile as this? His father even said - reported in a quote" that pretti seldom carried the weapon with him.
I'm not defending his killing, just to be clear
How about this, I pinky promise that I understand that there are two sides two every story and that I embed this understanding into everything I do in life. I developed theory of mind on schedule (ie I'm more than 5 years old) and do not need to be reminded of the fact that different people view things differently all the time. In fact, I'd bet everyone you say this to also understands this.
If you have specific instances where you feel someone is presenting something as fact when it's not then please do continue to call it out.
I understand that you've never literally said "aw shucks", I was parodying the way I see you interacting with the world.
I will push back heavily against this point in particular:
That's BS. Not all viewpoints are equal and not all people have equal credibility. If you want to call out my credibility on a topic then be my guest. But if I were to say "baltimorened is the very attractive former prime minister of Finland", it'd be absurd for people to treat that with equal weight to "baltimorened is not Sanna Marin". Similarly, I do not need to give equal credence to posters who have shown time and time again that they're not interested in the truth but only their narrative. I also do not need to give equal credence to politicians who are demonstrably liars and, in some cases, convicted crooks.
By all means, criticize the particulars of my arguments or facts at any time. But I'm going to continue to not care when you say "well other people say different things".
Here is what I said:
You'll notice I never said you said anything directly about my son. I said you said it was reasonable to say my son, who is autistic, would never go on a date. Which you saying the below is pretty straight forward. Not only reasonable, but a factual statement.
Here is what you said:
I actually agree with this. You are correct. IMHO, Federal Law supersedes state law. Always has. President Trump can send the NG into states when he wants to and there shouldn't be a damn thing the governor of the state can do about it.
I've always said this and I'm saying it now even when it's something I don't necessarily like. I'd just like to point out to both sides of the aisle that just a few years ago, President Obama was under fire for military operations/drills in Texas and Republicans were all singing the states rights song and Dems were all about Federal control. Funny how both sides immediately switch when it suits them...
They could just give us the name of the person who did it, surely they were arrested, right? How about a witness?
People should also not be blinded by allegiance to one political party. They should approach each issue instead of automatically agreeing with whatever their "team" says. This is what causes issues in America. People are so brainwashed by social media they feel like they have to defend their side or search for justification for their side instead of looking at each issue and make their own decision.
Yes look at the evidence and dont dismiss because it doesnt fit your narrative...
We're not saying the officer had the right to use lethal force just because the gun accidentally discharged right? I don't think you're saying that.
If the guy should have known that a gun wasn't fired by the person he's about to dump several rounds into, how do you not call it some form of manslaughter or negligent homicide? (Colloquially, we'd say it's murder.) And the other officers involved could also be liable.
There's that issue, and I can understand a disagreement on the merits there even if I feel strongly about it. A separate issue lies with the statements from DHS and the various powers that be. They'll say whatever to cover for the guy. The ends justify the means I guess. Very concerning, usually in the playbook of "radical left scum," but a consistent value system is too much to ask for it would seem.
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FP: Inquiring minds want to know. When did Alex Pretti assault ICE agents? Was it:
1. When he was trying to help the woman whom an ICE agent had shoved into a snowbank regain her feet?
2. When he was being held down and pummeled by six or more ICE agents?
3. When he was on his knees, face toward the pavement, being shot at close range while trying to hold onto his cell phone and protect himself?
4. When he was lying on his back, motionless, while an additional nine (9) bullets were being pumped into him?
You should consider applying for work at Faux News. They're all about manufacturing narratives for use by Trump and his minions, even when multiple videos tell a different story.
Too blurry to say 100% for sure what it is. It does appear to resemble a gun, but again its not solid proof...