So Alex Pretti pulled a gun? Please by all means post a link to video showing him doing that. BWAHAHAHAHAHA!!
ICE murders another unarmed person
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interesting you say that..if we had stricter gun control laws, maybe pretti would't have had a gun. But, seems as if some who are all for stricter laws are defending pretti with a gun, concealed carry not less
So glad we can agree i never said that. But you won't apologize.
possibly, my problem with this whole conversation is exactly what you said. I can't tell from these videos what's actually happening....sorry @FLaw47, but half on here are convinced he had both hands on the ground and the other half says he is reaching for a gun.
hey dumbass chuds like ned...here again are analyses by actual unbiased subject matter experts. stop acting like you're Stevie Wonder and too stupid to process what everyone's eyes can clearly see.
Im saying it was an accident. The officer that fired was well within his right to fire if he 1) hears a fellow officer yell "Gun!, Gun" 2) The suspect is fiercely resisting 3) a shot goes off.
He is well within his rights to fire and defend himself at that point. Again, i don't think he should have been killed, i just think it was a bad accident that happened due to his own actions.
Exactly, thats why i posted above he "MAY" have drawn a weapon. It looks like a gun to me, but there is certainly not conclusive proof.
OK, I'll try very hard to simply ask for specific proof of your facts as opposed to pointing out that other people have different facts, as long as you don't attack me with "my fact is the only one that matters". I'm sure I will falter, but when I do, I'm pretty confident you'll let me know.
and as one last retort before the new me...your facts are not always right and you are totally biased and normally won't accept another's point of view or "fact"
Just an observation here. I'm not a gun control guy. But it's almost certain that if this guy was not carrying, he'd still be alive. This is one of those cases and the primary reason that I DON'T carry. IMHO, it's just plain old risk assessment. The chances that I could positively effect something by carrying vs the chances that something bad could happen seem to favor the latter. It's certainly not always that way, there's plenty of examples of the former happening, but it seems that overall, better not to have it on you.
Also, I watched the update that the Border Control guy gave just a couple of hours after the shooting occurred and he seem to try and sell the "mass casualty" aspect of this pretty hard. That seemed to be kind of a BS claim to me. IF I were to carry a handgun, I'd probably go with a .40 cal instead... or something a bit heavier than a 9mm. Potato/PoTAHto there, but I'd imagine that I'd carry my weapon loaded and I'd carry a couple of extra mags with me. So this is an honest question to the folks that DO carry. What do you guys carry and what (if any) extra mags do you have when you simply go out? Also, if you guys WERE going to cause a mass casualty event, is that the loadout you'd still be rocking? I just don't think so for me personally, and I certainly wouldn't start wrestling with the cops before I pulled my gun to start the mass casualty event. What think you hand gun carriers out there?
Also, I watched the update that the Border Control guy gave just a couple of hours after the shooting occurred and he seem to try and sell the "mass casualty" aspect of this pretty hard. That seemed to be kind of a BS claim to me. IF I were to carry a handgun, I'd probably go with a .40 cal instead... or something a bit heavier than a 9mm. Potato/PoTAHto there, but I'd imagine that I'd carry my weapon loaded and I'd carry a couple of extra mags with me. So this is an honest question to the folks that DO carry. What do you guys carry and what (if any) extra mags do you have when you simply go out? Also, if you guys WERE going to cause a mass casualty event, is that the loadout you'd still be rocking? I just don't think so for me personally, and I certainly wouldn't start wrestling with the cops before I pulled my gun to start the mass casualty event. What think you hand gun carriers out there?
I appreciate your consideration. I'm obviously biased and have never once pretended otherwise. I've been very consistent that everyone is biased, in fact.
I do think it's absurd to say I won't accept anyone else's facts when I accepted yours, in this thread.
of course their narrative was total ********. ********* like ned won't admit it, but even the chuds on Fox News are starting to turn on this lunacy.
Well, MAGA World has invented a new term to put alongside "alternative facts." It is "stabilized video." Kinda like that video of the black woman that DHS modified to show her sobbing when the real video showed no such thing. Trump Cultists: "It's not manipulated. It's stabilized."
And not only does this "stabilized" video apparently show Pretti reaching for his gun. The guy who posted this "stabilized" video, one Brandon Straka, states that it shows Pretti "pulling something out" of said holster. Will wonders never cease!
TRR. Dude. There are videos showing an ICE officer removing Pretti's gun from his holster and tossing it aside. All BEFORE the ICE agents unloaded ten (10) bullets into Pretti. So what, exactly, do you think Pretti was "pulling out" from his empty holster?
This "stabilized video" prompted me to wonder about its source, so I clicked on the name "Brandon Straka." What a wealth of entertaining information it divulged. Mr. Straka styles himself as a "Former Liberal." He is an unabashed worshipper of Donald Trump. Maybe that has something to do with Trump pardoning him after a criminal conviction which appears to stem from his participation in the Trump Insurrection. LOL. YCMTSU.
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I just saw a still picture of pretti on the ground on one knee with something that might or not be a gun in his left hand. What does that mean? I have no idea, but it dispells, in my mind , the statement that he had both hands on the ground, it shows he has something in his left hand, or maybe someone has altered the photo.
so here's question, some reports say prettier had a gun in his left hand.....in other photos/videos he is holding his phone in his right hand taking pictures. Wouldn't that give a high probability he was right handed? If so, why would he have the gun in his left? Firing a gun with your non dominant hand is not easy
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The quantum of gaslighting and apologia coming from Ned is substantial to begin with, but it is amazing when you consider he continually seeks to present himself as a moderate. We've got it all on video (in fact, multiple videos), but Ned "can't tell what's actually happening."
Ned, you're clearly not a fire breather like TRR or Home O'Fluffigans, but the gaslighting and apologia are impossible to ignore.
No such thing as alternative facts, there are just the facts. MAGA doesnt live in unicorn world. Here men are men and facts are facts. Sometimes you have the facts on your side sometimes you dont. Thats real world. Also there is no video ive seen where you see him removing the gun because its blocked from video. People can assume thats what happen but you never see it. Even it thats what happen the gun misfired during that struggle and the agents reacted after gun was yelled and a shot happen. Again unless you have been in a firefight you have no clue how people should react. I bet most of those agents have never been in a firefight and are very green in that respect. Not something you can really train for, it comes from experience...
ps-Straka never went inside on j6 he was outside and peaceful broadcasting live I believe. Should have never been arrested to begin with. He was a political prisoner since he is a gay former democrat that supported Trump and started the Walk Away movement that moved many liberals to the MAGA movement...
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He’s a worthless piece of trash.
Meanwhile other chud outlets are admitting the truth finally
People bastardize it all the time. What these agents do is assault and battery. Battery being the actual contact.
Key Components of Assault
- Threat or Attempt: It's an action that puts someone in fear of immediate harm.
- Intent: The person must have intended to cause fear or harm.
- Apparent Ability: The attacker must seem capable of carrying out the threat.
- Reasonable Apprehension: The victim must reasonably fear the contact.
- Distinction from Battery: Assault is the threat/attempt, while battery is the actual unwanted physical contact
- Apparent Ability: The attacker must seem capable of carrying out the threat.
Will Republicans ever win another election in Minnesota? And now that the nation is sympathetic to the plight of the people in Minneapolis, will this anti-Republican fervor spread?
This ******* ******* talking about anyone's integrity is hilarious. Literally changed his handle to avoid paying a ban bet.
my god look at this lying piece of **** directly contradicting himself after the two ICE murders in MN. keep in mind that this moron was Trump's personal defense attorney who was then sent to broker whatever deal Trump gave Ghislaine Maxwell that moved her to that country club in TX.
it's hilarious to see **** like this in real time and then hear dumbfvcks like ned talk about alternative facts. absolute morons, all of them.
it's hilarious to see **** like this in real time and then hear dumbfvcks like ned talk about alternative facts. absolute morons, all of them.
one out of a 1000 isn't very accepting...
and see my problem is although I have about 1/20 of your bias, I try to see things as others see them as well. you know the "walk a mile in his shoes"
well sorry, but I just can't accept as fact something that appears to be incorrect. I've read that pretti couldn't have reached for his gun as he has 2 knees on the ground, then I see pictures of pretti not having two knees on the ground, but then look he has gun in his left hand, or it might not be a gun, he came to massacre ICE agents, he was directing traffic, not he was obstructing traffic.
I'm not apologizing for anybody. I'm just not accepting as fact something the loudest poster presents as "fact" when those facts are at best contradictory and in some cases, via photos, wrong.
Something I'm sure you've noticed as, opposed to what MKnox might post, I think you're pretty intelligent...biased but intelligent. Whenever there is an issue like this, those who lean left seemingly always take a position counter to whatever the Trump administration is doing and those on the right take the position that what Trump is doing is right. And you know what, both of them present irrefutable "facts" to support their position. So I get criticised, mainly from those who lean left because I just won't accept that their "facts" are right and anybody else's are BS, or that I don't "call out" posts from those on the right that I don't think are correct. Ok, maybe that's a valid criticism but, in fairness to me, it seems as if there are twice as many lefties on here than righties. But somehow when I post things that are aligned or somewhat aligned with a "fact" from let's say yourself, or Flaw, those seem to be forgotten.
So, I am me...just as you are you. I have said many,many times, I'm an independent, and have been for 40 years. I don't think things are as black or white as most on this board seem to be. Heck sometime people on the right put out data that totally contradicts someone else on the right, and same applies to the left.. go figure
in this case no, just you! 2 wrongs don't make a right. I don't insult you, why do you need to insult me.
As per the rest of the board, without doubt, sometimes it does seem as if the posters are still in grammar school with the back and forth insults that really add nothing to any conversation. Reasonable people can disagree but that doesn't mean either is a Nazi, moron or whatever childish name we can call each other.
just my opinion
Sorry dude, you blew your credibility yesterday when you said you hadn't see one photo of Alex with a gun NOT in his hand. I promptly showed you that photo and you said you weren't going to look at it. So F off trying to pretend that you're a reasonable, objective person.
**** off ned and here's an example of an honorable retired soldier in case you want to take notes.