And they cry TDS because we're upset two law-abiding citizens were murdered and DHS calls them domestic terrorists. How could you NOT have TDS?
ICE murders another unarmed person
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I see an agent with a gun dont know whos gun he has there and you dont see him pulling the gun from the suspect. It just an assumption. Nothing is verified yet wait 72 hours. Its all speculation atm by everybody. I think it misfired because its a SIG320p. I didnt see him or the officer point and shoot it. It seems to have just gone off during the struggle. If thats the case then a misfire is very plausible.There is no video showing the gun being pullout by anybody. There is a video of officers holding guns after the fact and one officer behind him holding a gun before the initial shot...
In the real life video version he has her in a choke...
well now we're talking semantics and I can't win that debate. In the case of Good and Pretti, there were protesters banging drums, blowing whistles and horns, Ms Good was in the middle of the street in her car, her wife was in the street,
with Pretti, same thing.
A crowd is a large number of people...so not a crowd is less than 20 people, a crowd 20+ people. The point is the same, had there been police presence there might have been separation from ICE and the crowd/noncrowd.
I didn't say crowd killed anybody. In fact I said crowd control might have an effect on separating ICE from the non crowd.
]Now I feel like you're not reading what I post.
Either way ICE didnt even kill the guy, because it wasnt ICE it seems it was a different Department involved. Waiting to confirm...
well two out of the rest of the board might indicate that you two have the problem
More lies neither was law-abiding in the moments they got shot...
There really are pretty clear videos of the agent grabbing the gun out of the holster.
I feel like punching holes in my wall when I discuss things with you so I'm done here before I need to install all new sheetrock.
And as always, you let me know when you think I've misread you. You haven't brought it to my attention many times at all so I'm not really sure what else you expect me to do.
I'm not trying to play with semantics. But its a city, there are that many people on just about every street.
As the agents go around the city, people are warning their neighbors. It wasn't a planned "protest". That is downtown at the Whipple building, where there are likely always crowds protesting currently. I don't know it to be true (that the cops are there), but I would 100% agree with you that the police should be there.
Good was blocking ICE with her car to prevent them from doing their operation, which is a felony. Her and the guy shot this weekend were both part of the same group thats on that signal chat that leads all the way up to Walz and his admin...
well I guess it depends. when two people are saying different things as fact, whether they admit they're wrong, someone has to be, right...."he had a gun, he was unarmed". We've read that on the board for the last couple of days.. so you tell me, which one is right, which is wrong. I'd bet (figuratively) that flaw says he was unarmed, and someone on the right says he had a gun. So you tell me which one is wrong?
Or am I being ambiguous or didn't read what you posted?
Also, I definitely wasn't saying the crowds killed them. I meant they weren't killed with crowds around. wtf man
The quality is really bad and you cant identify what they have. Just like in some it looks like the guy pulls a gun in his left hand but cant be certain. Its too blurry to say for certain. Either way the gun fires and other agents dont know where the gun is just hears GUN and a shot... Just being fair.
Because I dont fall for your lies and call them out. I dont just accept your claims as fact...
I support the cops being at planned protest and where large crowds are gathered yes. Neither of the shootings nor the majority of the issues with people being ripped out of cars, profiled, etc have fit that scenario.
I went back and read your posts, I misunderstood when you said neither of them were killed with crowds. if you would have said with crowds around I would have understood. My mistake
There are two videos, and in their totality, are pretty clear. One where it shows the agent reaching around where the holster was and pulling something away. Then another from the other angle with him pulling away with a SIG in his hand. If you need more than that to make a reasonable opinion, I don't know what to say.
True, Piggy, but that's a little beside the point. You and many other MAGA folks have been repeatedly saying that Minnesota was not honoring ICE Detainer notices (I think that's what they are called) and notifying the Feds when illegal aliens are non longer in custody, when in fact Minnesota has been doing so all along.
yea, I agree, my point was that if police were between the crowd/noncrowd and ICE, there is less chance of a confrontation. And, if we're only talking about a crowd of less than 20 people 2 police should be able to handle it.
no, we're good from my side. like I said, I'll do better
I don't disagree they should be able to handle it. But the ICE agents would have to agree to have chaperones travel with them, bodycams included. Maybe they are willing. Neither of us know, but I suspect not.
serious question, because I'm on this left handed, right handed kick, what side was the holster? pretti's left or right?
Because, as I posted, he's taking videos (I assume) with the phone in his right hand, which leads me to believe, but not know, that he was right handed. The video I saw there was something - gun or phone, I can't tell - in his left hand. That would be unusual, a right handed person with a holstered gun on his left hip.
Yep if locals did their job this wouldnt have happen. Locals are suppose to provide crowd control when FEDS do operations. The locals are ordered to stand down by the insurgent politicians that are providing Intel and instructions to the anti-Ice insurgents...
we'll likely never know, because so far the police are prohibited from supporting ICE. I'm all for bodycams.
Also, a misconception that Pretti was at a "protest" is wrong:
Something getting lost is that there are three distinct major kinds of protest happening in MInnesota.
1. There’s the big peace marches (like friday), which ICE avoids.
2. There is the 24/7 Whipple Building protest, constant low-grade aggression.
3. And then there’s fighting ICE in the streets. That’s 100% rapid response. An ICE attack only lasts minutes, and they happen dozens of times a day, across a 3.7M person metro. People hear whistles and car horns and come running. THAT is the kind Pretti was in.
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Also, the "signal" chats that maga decided to be all mad about today are simply how the resistance in minneapolis are coordinating when ICE is spotted so they can alert community members, be there to film them to keep them accountable, and for people of color to stay safe (since they are detaining and nabbing anyone who 'looks' like they could be undocumented).
Something getting lost is that there are three distinct major kinds of protest happening in MInnesota.
1. There’s the big peace marches (like friday), which ICE avoids.
2. There is the 24/7 Whipple Building protest, constant low-grade aggression.
3. And then there’s fighting ICE in the streets. That’s 100% rapid response. An ICE attack only lasts minutes, and they happen dozens of times a day, across a 3.7M person metro. People hear whistles and car horns and come running. THAT is the kind Pretti was in.
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Something getting lost is that there are three distinct major kinds of protest happening in MInnesota. There’s the big peace marches (like friday), which ICE avoids. There is the 24/7 Whipple Building protest, constant low-grade aggression. And then there’s fighting ICE in the streets. That’s...
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Also, the "signal" chats that maga decided to be all mad about today are simply how the resistance in minneapolis are coordinating when ICE is spotted so they can alert community members, be there to film them to keep them accountable, and for people of color to stay safe (since they are detaining and nabbing anyone who 'looks' like they could be undocumented).
Haven't you been saying this is the gun that misfires? Below shows the angle that shows that agent that from the other angle is reaching through his back to get his holster, and then he pulls back and the other video shows that in his hand. Significantly more nailed on proof than the gun ever being in Alex's hands.
Ned: The ICE agents were 100% responsible both for initiating and escalating things with Alex Pretti. He went to help a woman who had been roughly knocked off her feet and into a snow bank, and an ICE agent immediately grabbed him and pepper sprayed him. Copiously, I might add. They then took Pretti down to the ground and pummeled him before disarming him and then shooting him ten (10) times.
Even if there were ICE agents "helping an old lady across the street" (and I'd want to see video evidence of that before I would believe it), it is beyond debate that these poorly trained, trigger happy thugs are only making things worse, not better.
BTW, I would add that their superiors in D.C. are not helping. I find it mind boggling that Acting ICE Director Todd Lyons signed a memo back on May 12, 2025 advising ICE personnel that it is OK to bust into private homes without a judicial search warrant. Neither the 4th Amendment nor any Supreme Court case law construing the 4th Amendment permits that. So ICE agents promptly began entering homes without a proper warrant, and it took a whistleblower complaint to bring this whole sorry spectacle to the American public's attention. If Lyons' memo was on solid legal ground, why do you suppose it was kept such a secret? Similarly, if the shooting of Alex Pretti was righteous, why has the DHS refused to allow Minnesota law enforcement, or even the FBI, to investigate it? Why did DHS make no effort to preserve evidence, and the crime scene? Don't any of those things give you even the slightest pause?
Or locals don't agree with illegal search and seizure under the 4th Amendment and are precluded from engaging in the same under the 14th Amendment, but I'm sure your version is more accurate.
How can you pretend you watched all the videos and other evidence and not know that the holster was on his back at 6 o'clock? Which he never touched, but we do see an ice agent remove it from the holster(in the middle of his back) and walk away.
This is why the change of heart with trumpster:
- DHS funding up in the air ahead of shutdown deadline: Senate Democrats and Republicans are weighing how to move forward on funding the DHS and other federal agencies, according to sources familiar with the matter, and the clock is ticking with a January 30 deadline to fund the government. Aides emphasized that the dynamics fundamentally shifted over the last 72 hours following the deadly shooting in Minneapolis.
