ICE murders another unarmed person

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Isn't this what we all expected? Fire this man




“It’s gone too far. What happened Saturday was abhorrent,” she told the New York Times. “I do think that he [Donald Trump] will lose the midterms because of Stephen Miller.”
 

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Isn't this what we all expected? Fire this man




“It’s gone too far. What happened Saturday was abhorrent,” she told the New York Times. “I do think that he [Donald Trump] will lose the midterms because of Stephen Miller.”

Stephen Miller has been running the narrative at DHS. Stephen Miller is an absolute white christian nationalist. He clearly set an agenda of pain under the boot for anyone he labels 'the other'. Recognize his policies, and get rid of him. He's terrible for this country.
 

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This is such a strawman. He's apprehended. Deport him, no one is protesting not to. You ghouls are having your world shaped by folks that are greenlighting the Gestapo being unleashed on your fellow americans. Stop COPING and start understanding.
They will post every undocumented person who commits a crime because it fits their propaganda even though undocumented people do crime at a MUCH lower rate than citizens
 

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Do you see us posting funny memes about those girls?
You need to realize a lot of MAGA are just low class individuals. Anyone trying to make jokes at the expense of any of these murdered citizens are just classless. Especially since they were probably the first ones boohooing on here and other sites when Charlie Kirk was murdered and ****** libs were posting memes.
 

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They will post every undocumented person who commits a crime because it fits their propaganda even though undocumented people do crime at a MUCH lower rate than citizens
Gdamn you’re a little crybaby. Would you like to provide these stats? Let’s throw it all out there., by Race/gender/legal/illegal
 

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You need to realize a lot of MAGA are just low class individuals. Anyone trying to make jokes at the expense of any of these murdered citizens are just classless. Especially since they were probably the first ones boohooing on here and other sites when Charlie Kirk was murdered and ****** libs were posting memes.
You do realize this was a shot at Netflix, correct? You leftist betas are a dumb, sensitive bunch
 

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Gdamn you’re a little crybaby. Would you like to provide these stats? Let’s throw it all out there., by Race/gender/legal/illegal
Researchers from Stanford and Princeton found that as of 2020–2023, immigrants are 60% less likely to be incarcerated than U.S.-born citizens. They noted that this "gap" has actually widened since 1960, meaning immigrants are becoming statistically even less likely to commit crimes relative to native-born Americans over time.

Source (an extensive peer reviewed study that is as up to date as you can get, published in March 2024): https://www.brennancenter.org/our-work/analysis-opinion/debunking-myth-migrant-crime-wave#:~:text=More recently, a study looked,incarcerated than U.S.-born citizens.

Literally ALL peer reviewed studies in this field back this data up, and I'm happy to provide more sources. There is one that differs and is an outlier, as it's the only one:

Study:
“SCAAP Data Suggest Illegal Aliens Commit Crime at a Much Higher Rate”
  • Findings: Using data from the State Criminal Alien Assistance Program (SCAAP), FAIR argued that undocumented immigrants were incarcerated at rates up to 5.5 times higher than citizens in some states.
  • The Caveat: Academic researchers (including those from the Cato Institute and PNAS) generally dismiss the FAIR report because the SCAAP data counts arrests or "incidents" rather than unique individuals. This means one person arrested five times is counted as five "criminals," which tends to inflate the numbers significantly compared to the conviction-based data used in peer-reviewed studies.

Essentially/TLDR: The academic consensus is that the crime rate for undocumented individuals is significantly lower than that of the native-born population. AI helped me some, but most of this is easily googled and tbh I actually had to use AI to find a narrative that would back up YOUR narrative
 

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Stephen Miller has been running the narrative at DHS. Stephen Miller is an absolute white christian nationalist. He clearly set an agenda of pain under the boot for anyone he labels 'the other'. Recognize his policies, and get rid of him. He's terrible for this country.
you are likely right about miller, but why do you have to describe him as a "white Christian nationalist". To me that just presents a built in bias that's unnecessary. Are you sure he's christian..his bio make it appear as if he's jewish

If you want to describe him as a person with a agenda of pain under boot, most would likely agree with you. I don't know him, but he comes across as trying to be a harda--. He's been in politics seemingly forever, and from what I read he's a contrarian but has never had a military/law enforcement type job..more of a tough talker but never had to put the gloves on himself...

He's not shown that he's an asset to trump IMO. In life very few things as black and white as they appear to be in Miller's world.
 

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Researchers from Stanford and Princeton found that as of 2020–2023, immigrants are 60% less likely to be incarcerated than U.S.-born citizens. They noted that this "gap" has actually widened since 1960, meaning immigrants are becoming statistically even less likely to commit crimes relative to native-born Americans over time.

Source (an extensive peer reviewed study that is as up to date as you can get, published in March 2024): https://www.brennancenter.org/our-work/analysis-opinion/debunking-myth-migrant-crime-wave#:~:text=More recently, a study looked,incarcerated than U.S.-born citizens.

Literally ALL peer reviewed studies in this field back this data up, and I'm happy to provide more sources. There is one that differs and is an outlier, as it's the only one:

Study:
“SCAAP Data Suggest Illegal Aliens Commit Crime at a Much Higher Rate”
  • Findings: Using data from the State Criminal Alien Assistance Program (SCAAP), FAIR argued that undocumented immigrants were incarcerated at rates up to 5.5 times higher than citizens in some states.
  • The Caveat: Academic researchers (including those from the Cato Institute and PNAS) generally dismiss the FAIR report because the SCAAP data counts arrests or "incidents" rather than unique individuals. This means one person arrested five times is counted as five "criminals," which tends to inflate the numbers significantly compared to the conviction-based data used in peer-reviewed studies.

Essentially/TLDR: The academic consensus is that the crime rate for undocumented individuals is significantly lower than that of the native-born population. AI helped me some, but most of this is easily googled and tbh I actually had to use AI to find a narrative that would back up YOUR narrative
Here ya go, sweets
Oh, and thanks Trump


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Arrest rates by race reflect crime rates by race - Reason without ...
In 2025, overall violent crime in U.S. cities continued to decline, falling to or below 2019 levels. While precise 2025 nationwide, per-capita figures by race are not yet finalized, 2023–2024 data indicates that Black Americans are arrested at a higher per-capita rate than other groups. However, white individuals still account for a larger share of total arrests.
Key 2025 and Recent Data Trends
  • Violent Crime Trends: Homicides in major cities were 25% lower in 2025 than in 2019, with significant drops in robberies (-36%) and carjackings (-29%).
  • Arrest Rates per Capita (Approx. 2024-2025): Based on recent arrest data, the per-capita arrest rate for Black individuals (approx. 6,948 per 100,000) was higher than that of white (2,672 per 100,000) or Hispanic (3,250 per 100,000) individuals, though the total number of white arrests is higher.
  • Specific Crimes: For burglary and larceny, black individuals have shown higher per-capita arrest rates (e.g., ~392 per 100k for burglary) compared to white individuals (~188 per 100k) in recent, analyzed data.
  • Incarceration Rates: Historically, Black individuals are incarcerated at a rate four to five times higher than white individuals.
  • Victimization: Non-Hispanic Black individuals have experienced the highest average annual rate of non-fatal violent victimization.
Factors Influencing Data
  • Systemic Disparities: Studies indicate that racial disparities in crime statistics are heavily influenced by policing practices, such as higher rates of stops in Black neighborhoods.
  • Regional Variation: The highest drops in homicide in 2025 occurred in cities that previously had the highest rates, as reported by the Council on Criminal Justice.
 

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Here ya go, sweets
Oh, and thanks Trump


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In 2025, overall violent crime in U.S. cities continued to decline, falling to or below 2019 levels. While precise 2025 nationwide, per-capita figures by race are not yet finalized, 2023–2024 data indicates that Black Americans are arrested at a higher per-capita rate than other groups. However, white individuals still account for a larger share of total arrests.
Key 2025 and Recent Data Trends
  • Violent Crime Trends: Homicides in major cities were 25% lower in 2025 than in 2019, with significant drops in robberies (-36%) and carjackings (-29%).
  • Arrest Rates per Capita (Approx. 2024-2025): Based on recent arrest data, the per-capita arrest rate for Black individuals (approx. 6,948 per 100,000) was higher than that of white (2,672 per 100,000) or Hispanic (3,250 per 100,000) individuals, though the total number of white arrests is higher.
  • Specific Crimes: For burglary and larceny, black individuals have shown higher per-capita arrest rates (e.g., ~392 per 100k for burglary) compared to white individuals (~188 per 100k) in recent, analyzed data.
  • Incarceration Rates: Historically, Black individuals are incarcerated at a rate four to five times higher than white individuals.
  • Victimization: Non-Hispanic Black individuals have experienced the highest average annual rate of non-fatal violent victimization.
Factors Influencing Data
  • Systemic Disparities: Studies indicate that racial disparities in crime statistics are heavily influenced by policing practices, such as higher rates of stops in Black neighborhoods.
  • Regional Variation: The highest drops in homicide in 2025 occurred in cities that previously had the highest rates, as reported by the Council on Criminal Justice.
Hey so, this has nothing to do with undocumented immigrants, which is why all of you so vehemently want armed, masked ICE agents patrolling our streets deporting immigrants.

The fact that undocumented immigrants are NOT as much a threat to wider society than citizens gives ZERO basis for this COMPLETE reversal of strategy for ICE, deportations, and these draconian methods.
 

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Hey so, this has nothing to do with undocumented immigrants, which is why all of you so vehemently want armed, masked ICE agents patrolling our streets deporting immigrants.

The fact that undocumented immigrants are NOT as much a threat to wider society than citizens gives ZERO basis for this COMPLETE reversal of strategy for ICE, deportations, and these draconian methods.
Dude
“Researchers from Stanford and Princeton found that as of 2020–2023, immigrants are 60% less likely to be incarcerated than U.S.-born citizens”
This is what you came up with? Really? No numbers?
I asked if you’d throw out all the numbers and of course, you avoided that, so I took the liberty
 

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Dude
“Researchers from Stanford and Princeton found that as of 2020–2023, immigrants are 60% less likely to be incarcerated than U.S.-born citizens”
This is what you came up with? Really? No numbers?
I asked if you’d throw out all the numbers and of course, you avoided that, so I took the liberty
I did tertiary research of things that are common fact, and that I researched long ago as part of my undergrad and grad degree, as ALL peer reviewed studies to date show that immigrants are far less likely to commit crimes than American citizens. I linked one, and could link more easily.

I'm not going to do research for you- if you want to follow your echo chamber, go for it. If you want to actually look deeper into this stuff, go for it. But I'm not going to do a dissertation on things FOR YOU that are simply facts and have been proven.

If you'd rather be in your echo chamber, propagandized, and follow fake news- thats your perogative. I'll call you out, as I've done, but I'm not gonna try and convince you, as I know you probably don't know what goes into peer reviewed study, research, and data as it is.

I don't need to do your research for you big guy. Be informed how you want to, and I'll keep calling it out when I want to, or I simply won't.

But I'm not your b i tch nor am I your research intern. It's up to you to better yourself and become actually informed
 

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you are likely right about miller, but why do you have to describe him as a "white Christian nationalist". To me that just presents a built in bias that's unnecessary. Are you sure he's christian..his bio make it appear as if he's jewish

If you want to describe him as a person with a agenda of pain under boot, most would likely agree with you. I don't know him, but he comes across as trying to be a harda--. He's been in politics seemingly forever, and from what I read he's a contrarian but has never had a military/law enforcement type job..more of a tough talker but never had to put the gloves on himself...

He's not shown that he's an asset to trump IMO. In life very few things as black and white as they appear to be in Miller's world.
Multiple investigative reports and leaked communications show Miller promoting explicitly white‑nationalist books and websites, recommending racist literature such as The Camp of the Saints and circulating material from outlets favored by white nationalists, a pattern that journalists and watchdogs interpret as ideological affinity rather than incidental overlap [1] [2] [7] [8].
 

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I did tertiary research of things that are common fact, and that I researched long ago as part of my undergrad and grad degree, as ALL peer reviewed studies to date show that immigrants are far less likely to commit crimes than American citizens. I linked one, and could link more easily.

I'm not going to do research for you- if you want to follow your echo chamber, go for it. If you want to actually look deeper into this stuff, go for it. But I'm not going to do a dissertation on things FOR YOU that are simply facts and have been proven.

If you'd rather be in your echo chamber, propagandized, and follow fake news- thats your perogative. I'll call you out, as I've done, but I'm not gonna try and convince you, as I know you probably don't know what goes into peer reviewed study, research, and data as it is.

I don't need to do your research for you big guy. Be informed how you want to, and I'll keep calling it out when I want to, or I simply won't.

But I'm not your b i tch nor am I your research intern. It's up to you to better yourself and become actually informed
How do you like these numbers?

 
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Wrong with covid? lol shut up idiots listening to a failed comedian turned huckster
Either come to the middle and talk with the sensible folks or continue to be lied to by your sycohants who rely on you for your power.
“Either come to the middle and talk with the sensible folks” 🤣
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firegiver

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“Either come to the middle and talk with the sensible folks” 🤣
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Hey just keeping leaning right. You'll fall off and find yourself with other gryopers who want to have sex with other men like you. Not in a healthy way, in the shhhh don't tell anyone way. Then later you can be shamed with it. Maybe that's your kink, idk. You are definitely a weirdo. What do you do for a living again?
 

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“Either come to the middle and talk with the sensible folks” 🤣
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I mean, everyone understands you're a troll. But if you think the progressives/left of center on this board (save a few that I call out regularly) are not closer to the middle than you are, than there's little hope for ya. You're almost as far right as they come, save the fuentes group, which you seem close to.

Just own it big dog
 

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I mean, everyone understands you're a troll. But if you think the progressives/left of center on this board (save a few that I call out regularly) are not closer to the middle than you are, than there's little hope for ya. You're almost as far right as they come, save the fuentes group, which you seem close to.

Just own it big dog
Wait, did you call most on here “left of center?” No man, just no
 

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Multiple investigative reports and leaked communications show Miller promoting explicitly white‑nationalist books and websites, recommending racist literature such as The Camp of the Saints and circulating material from outlets favored by white nationalists, a pattern that journalists and watchdogs interpret as ideological affinity rather than incidental overlap [1] [2] [7] [8].
not debating any of that, just asked about your descriptor as "white Christian nationalist"..I just thought he was Jewish...which might add a different flavor to your concept....I don't know he's Jewish, haven't seen something that says that definitely...just that from all indications, schools, family it seems that he is.
 

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not debating any of that, just asked about your descriptor as "white Christian nationalist"..I just thought he was Jewish...which might add a different flavor to your concept....
That's an interesting question. So I'll answer honestly. White Christian Nationalism is completely the same as Isareli Zionism. Which both are infact, Nationalism. The pulpit for which is" Only us is good, every one else is bad, we should kill those folks. As you can see both are performing those asks.
 

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That's an interesting question. So I'll answer honestly. White Christian Nationalism is completely the same as Isareli Zionism. Which both are infact, Nationalism. The pulpit for which is" Only us is good, every one else is bad, we should kill those folks. As you can see both are performing those asks.
n, not disagreeing with anything you posted.....it's just that a Jew can't be a white Christian nationalist.....at least it seems a little off kilter to me...

if we're trying to be factual....
 

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n, not disagreeing with anything you posted.....it's just that a Jew can't be a white Christian nationalist.....at least it seems a little off kilter to me...

if we're trying to be factual....
'Nationalism' can be ascribed to any country. While or black or Jewish are ethnoticities that can be applied on top. Under the same bs they are the same. All the same.
 

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'Nationalism' can be ascribed to any country. While or black or Jewish are ethnoticities that can be applied on top. Under the same bs they are the same. All the same.
again, not arguing nationalism, just trying to point out that it seems incongruous that a Jew could be a Christian nationalist..

to me, and just to me, the narrative white Christian nationalist has a different connotation than a white Jewish nationalist. I usually see the former in a negative context, whereas I can't remember ever seeing the latter.

Not a big deal, why not just adjust your post to white Jewish nationalist, then you're being factual...once again, I'm not even positive he's Jewish it's just his bio gives that indication. I might be 100% wrong