ICE murders another unarmed person
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Yah, so the point I am making is not that Christian Nationalist id so facto is the same as Israeli Zionist. There are definitely differences to them, we can discover that in discourse if you like?
No, the point I'm making is they are the same in there response and directions of narrative on any resistance to their narratives.
Im pointing out that they behave exactly the same when folks question them.
I hope you take more accountability in your own life than you demand from government officials/departments you voted for.
ok, why don't we just agree that Miller is not helpful...
Not a leftist, in fact have never voted for a democrat before. However, I just find you and your ilk to be low class individuals.
Stephen Miller is one of the creepiest public/political figures that I can remember ever seeing. He seems almost inhuman. He's like a cartoon-ish poorly written evil guy in a B-movie. But he's real.
Trump - just your basic megalomaniacal wannabe mob boss/dictator. An easily dealt with serial criminal.
Noem - just your basic clueless self-absorbed, self-important airhead who, somewhere along the line, was convinced by people complimenting her because she's pretty and also has "tough girl" interests (like guns), that this means she's also smart and has righteous political views.
Miller - the kind of guy who collects other people's hair, or fingernails ... mostly of his victims, but probably of other people, too. And has an elongated explanation why this is "normal," and others just aren't smart enough to understand it all. That anyone has granted him any kind of authority over the American people is, itself, insane.
oh really ? Cool
You hate to see this for sure, just like any murder. According to Statistica and the CDC about 50 Americans are murdered every day (about 2 per hour). I can't find statistics on the rate of the number of murders committed by illegal immigrants although I did find a couple of mentions that no national data sources for this are kept. HOWEVER, there are a couple of states that do try and keep up with this. I found THIS information from Reuters in a fact check which I'll post below.
The murder rate in the U.S. in 2023 was 5.7 per 100,000 people in 2023, according to the FBI’s annual report on crime statistics released.
Again, no national stats, but we do have some data from Texas.
Cato Institute’s Alex Nowrasteh found that, for the years 2013-2022, the homicide conviction rate in Texas for “illegal immigrants” was 2.2 per 100,000, while that of native-born Americans was 3.0 per 100,000.
So we can see here what anyone who's looked into crime rates... Illegal immigrants commit crimes (including murder) at a substantially lower rate than natural born Americans. Of course even one murder is too many.
Of course, this is a classic deflection by Growlz... When you can't defend the action, deflect to something else. This woman killed is definitely a tragedy and if we'd caught him coming into the country, it never would have happened. MAYBE... just MAYBE ICE should concentrate on the criminals (no one wants THEM here) instead of the 70% of their arrests of people that have committed no other crime but being here. Just saying.
But pointing out another sad item doesn't make this killing OK.
I've stated over and over that statistically undocumented people commit crimes at a far less rate than citizens.
I posted some of these same stats last night. They just ignore it or deflect. Hell a poster started posting the crime rate by black people as some weird deflection in response.
Just really weird people.
well a sound manager/executive would take exactly the action trump described, get rid of the worst of the worst first. I don't know the statistics but the DHS spokesperson says, and keeps saying, that's what they're doing (but who believes any government statements anymore).
But, and I know this is an issue of major debate, the executive has a responsibility to execute the laws and, whether anyone likes it or not, people who are in the country illegally are deportable. We might not like it but that includes grandmas, people who have been in the ecountry for decades with no criminal activity etc. And, while i'm not a lawyer, it seems to me that the administration leaves itself open to lawsuit if it selectively enforces the laws. @LafayetteBear might know better than I.
We all know the solution, immigration reform. And we all know that what democrats want is different from what republicans want and vice versa. So that means to get to a reform bill, our leaders need to compromise, and therein lies the problem,
I like this post. I saw a link a couple of days ago from the Obama years on immigration. For those of you that don't know, he deported more people in each of his terms than Trump did in his 1st term. In fact, the ACLU filed suit against him for it, while the right accused him of being soft on immigration. Being a moderate myself, it seems to me that when you've got both the hard right and the hard left pissed at you, you are probably on the right track. And his policy was that ICE and Border Protection worked to get criminals and criminal adjacent people out and as a general rule, left otherwise law abiding/employed people alone.
I honestly think that Trump/Miller are working as hard as they can to get an ICE agent or two killed. THEN they can bring in the military and crack down on any and everyone they want. We all know that Trump will throw any and everyone under the bus to forward his policy. That's just who he is and is probably the main reason I'm so puzzled by his fanatic following. How can you follow someone that would turn on you in a HEARTBEAT if you disagreed with him or even if the money was good?
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i think one of the core issues is we've seen recently that Rs are too stupid to be able to read charts
I honestly think it was a MASTERCLASS in propaganda that maga somehow turned its base of blue collar/uneducated followers against the latino community in 5 years- it kinda started with the "build a wall" rhetoric in 2015, but went insane from 2020 on.
Maybe some feel the way you describe, but in my opinion, a large segment believes that if the undocumented person were not in the US the crime would not have been committed. So in that case the crimes committed by undocumented persons, since none would be here, is zero. Of course, zero will likely never be achieved so don't attack me on that number, please.
Will also say that the person responsible was caught, tried, and is serving life in prison.
Personally, I have significantly more issues with the profiling, than I have the type of person being deported. While I certainly hope they would go after criminals over anyone with no criminal record, if there is someone that has a final deportation order that hasn't committed a crime, they have the order. So I may think they still bring some value to the community and that I wish there were some sort of amnesty or easier path to citizenship for the grandmother that has been here 20 years, there isn't currently. So if there were targeted (humane) people (meaning they have warrants), it is what it is there. But the profiling of anyone brown, stopping citizens, as well as the seeming brutality things have been carried out with, is a no go.
Nice post. I've been saying this for a while now.
I CAN NOT BELIEVE that I live in a country where masked guys can show up in unmarked cars, demand your papers (proof of citizenship), and if you can't provide it can take you away to undisclosed locations sometimes states away. No warrant, no due process, nothing. Just taken right off the street. Make excuses all you want, but we now live in a country where that happens. And even crazier if that's possible, we have conservative Republicans that until a few years ago were all about reducing big government and state's rights and less Federal Control (that's probably 70% of the board here) defending this. Unbelievable and honestly it makes me want to cry like a little biitch... what have we become?
The cognitive dissonance that lead them to defend all of this is astounding to me. It's something I've still never have been able to wrap my head around.
There are a few who will just own it- they'll say MAGA isn't republican, it's a nationalist movement with its own set of rules and ideologies. I don't know if that makes it worse or better though, and they rarely say it
so, I agree with everything you said about warrants picking people off streets etc...100% agreement. Not sure in my mind how state's rights, big government fits into this...but that's not a major issue in my mind.
Here;s my question, how do you get around the fact that there is a federal law that prohibits people being in the country illegally and the executive, who took an oath to enforce the laws, has a responsibility to do that? And, I'm not trolling. That's the issue I can't get my head around in this debate. Yea, wrong way to go about it, but right objective...
How dare you make such a logical distinction. The average MAGA is not capable of such nuance.
You mean to tell me these other murder victims weren't called domestic terrorists by federal authorities as their families had to watch their killers just disappear into the wind with no repercussions?
btw...the feds with their awesome investigation skills haven't even reached out to one of the eyewitnesses who filmed Pretti's murder at close range. great gang of detectives we have here. very capable!
hey Tboone..."blind" Ned here....Did you see my post about actually being partially blind? It's kind of a cheap shot on your part to disparage someone with a disability. But, no hard feelings, I normally keep my problems to myself, and you couldn't have known.
But it does sort of negate your negatives, when I say "I can't see", because in my world "I can't see" isn't just words.
Pretti "attacked ?ICE agents?" LOL. Poor Trump Cultist. You believe any and all misinformation (aka lies) that Cheeto Hitler and his minions spew out, even after it has been fully discredited.
Anyone who has watched the video can't support a statement that Pretti "attacked" the ICE agents. In my opinion pretti should have listened and gotten out of the street, but he didn't attack.
Additinally we now know that ICE wasn't involved..it was Border Patrol (How dumb are people complaining about ICE and it wasn't them)
Which is why if you paid attention you would have seen that i said a few times wait 72 hours. Until then we are guessing. Ive seen reports it was a SIGp320. So like I said if thats true it could have been a misfire. You just want the narrative the officer is guilty of something. One thing for sure is the guy wasnt innocent and guilty a a few felonies. He was an insurgent thats part of a domestic terrorist group that plotted and conspired against the United States. All easy to prove just with his own signal chat group. This is why Walz was running to Trump to make a deal and cool things off. The FBI is already at work on these groups...The WALZ are closing in. Between this and the Samali fraud this will blow the top off the midterms...
Another leftist lie exposed. He didnt even have ID on him....
Minn. Stat. § 624.7181 – Carrying Firearms at Public Gatherings
Minn. Stat. § 624.7181 – Carrying Firearms at Public Gatherings
- Prohibits carrying a loaded firearm at a public gathering unless you have a Permit to Carry (PTC) and the gathering is not:
- A school-sponsored event
- A religious service
- A political rally or demonstration where the primary purpose is to advocate for or against a specific policy or candidate
- Important: A PTC does not allow carry at a political rally if it's officially designated as such. Many protests/rallies fall under this restriction if they’re organized around a political issue (e.g., pro/anti-Trump, pro/anti-abortion).
There are some posters I disagree with and there are others who just make me sick, like you in particular. FU and your continual lies.
"Multiple reliable sources, including statements from Minneapolis Police Chief Brian O'Hara, court records referenced in news reports, and coverage from outlets like The New York Times, CBS News, ABC News, and Wikipedia's summary of the incident, confirm that Alex Jeffrey Pretti (a 37-year-old ICU nurse killed in a shooting involving federal agents in Minneapolis on January 24, 2026) had no criminal record.This point was emphasized repeatedly in coverage of the event, often in contrast to claims or narratives from federal officials or the administration about the circumstances of the shooting. For example:
- Court records explicitly showed no criminal history.
- He was described as a legal gun owner and U.S. citizen with no prior convictions.
Can't wait till President Newsom and the Democrat majority rev up Nuremberg 2.0 in a few years.
- No mainstream news outlets (e.g., NBC, CNN, NPR, ABC, PBS, BBC, Wikipedia summary of the killing) report any affiliation with organized domestic terror groups like militias, Proud Boys, Oath Keepers, Antifa networks, or any designated extremist organizations.
- Court and police records repeatedly confirm no prior criminal history or extremist ties.
- Social media claims (particularly from pro-administration accounts) speculate about involvement in "ICE-watch" networks, Signal chat groups coordinating observations of arrests, or loosely call such activism "domestic terrorism," but these are unsubstantiated accusations without evidence of formal membership in a terror-designated group.
- Counter-narratives from critics, gun rights advocates, and civil liberties groups portray him as a compassionate citizen (e.g., honoring veterans, working in healthcare) caught in a confrontation, not a terrorist.
Another lie - there have been NO confirmed reports that he didn't have an ID and you sure wouldn't find the evidence in the propaganda sewer you swim in. And besides, even if it was true, they didn't know he didn't have an ID on him at the time they murdered him so let's quit pretending that gives them some type of justification.
Dude, you are literally the worst.
Minn. Stat. § 624.7181 – Carrying Firearms at Public Gatherings
- Prohibits carrying a loaded firearm at a public gathering unless you have a Permit to Carry (PTC) and the gathering is not:
- A school-sponsored event
- A religious service
- A political rally or demonstration where the primary purpose is to advocate for or against a specific policy or candidate
- Important: A PTC does not allow carry at a political rally if it's officially designated as such. Many protests/rallies fall under this restriction if they’re organized around a political issue (e.g., pro/anti-Trump, pro/anti-abortion).
He had no Id on him thus wasnt even lawfully carrying period. Also not allowed to carry doing what the insurgents were doing that day. These treasonist pos were being bankrolled by China. Lots of China sellouts on the left. Hope these traitors get the justice they deserve...
He still broke the law multiple times that faithful day. He was in the process of being arrested when he got shot. Second week he went and started shyatt with law enforcement...
Minn. Stat. § 624.7181 – Carrying Firearms at Public Gatherings
- Prohibits carrying a loaded firearm at a public gathering unless you have a Permit to Carry (PTC) and the gathering is not:
- A school-sponsored event
- A religious service
- A political rally or demonstration where the primary purpose is to advocate for or against a specific policy or candidate
- Important: A PTC does not allow carry at a political rally if it's officially designated as such. Many protests/rallies fall under this restriction if they’re organized around a political issue (e.g., pro/anti-Trump, pro/anti-abortion).
You're just full of **** dude, and I mean completely full of it. This was neither a school-sponsored event, a religious service OR a political rally. He was filming ICE agents, which is NOT against the law.
Now apologize for your three lies:
- He had no criminal record, much less felonies
- He was not part of a domestic terror group
- He was lawfully carrying the gun and he had a permit. And you do not know if he had an ID or not
He was a decent human being from every account, so screw you and your obscene lies that disparage this man.
I give zero f's what a racist Chinese sellout propagandist thinks... Need to charge all the traitors taking money from China to act against the elected Gov. All the traitors in that signal group acting on the behalf of China and taking money to do so...Also why did he get fired for inappropriate behavior if he was so good and why did he become an insurrectionist and start doing the bidding of China?
You're a sick person TRR, you really are. That's not a joke.
We have repeatedly proven that you spread lies because you don't know any better and you're easily corrupted by propaganda due to your algorithm. At some point you'd think you'd get mad that all your sources are intentionally trying to trick you into promoting their lies, but no, you just keep going back for more.
Sometimes people on your side do things that are wrong, so you need to accept that instead of spending all your board time trying to provide cover for bad people who don't deserve it . Just say that was fvcked up and we need an investigation and leave it at that since you'll never find the truth about anything in the dark recesses of the internet you inhabit.