ICE murders another unarmed person
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if you're "pulling a ned", does that mean you're coming out from the dark side? Or is this just a temporary "seeing the light"
Neither, fortunately or not. Just acknowledging that at this moment in time I'm not going to dig into this one topic. I'm tired.
been there. You know, communication loses a lot when done via emails, social media boards etc. You get a chance to communicate, but can't experience the facial or body expressions and as a result, you're not really sure how the other interprets your words..because in our language and due to our individual upbringings different words have different meaning to people. It's like, I know what I meant when I said it, but I don't know how you interpreted it.
The underlying thing is that things pass..and then we move on to the next.
OK now I am changing subjects, I'm pretty sure you have been following the Epstein files, not as actively as @firegiver but...
did you see the story today that Gislane Maxwell has come out with a statement that 25 men had reached settlements with victims. It wasn't reported, but I'd assume that NDAs are part of the settlements and that, IMO, may be why none of them have come forward and why they are so demanding in the redacting of Epstein documents (just supposition on my part)
I actually haven't been following the Epstein files very much. Not because I don't think it's important to hold pedophiles accountable or anything (I obviously do). I just don't really have any optimism that it'll amount to anything. Also I'm just not sure what could be in there that would move someone from one political camp into another (and I'm more interested/concerned with national politics than I am individual criminals).
The Minnesota stuff seems to have broken through in a way that gives me some hope that people will change their voting patterns for until Trump is gone.
I'd love it people who vote against Trump but for the GOP generally would recognize that the GOP they keep voting for does virtually nothing to curb Trump's worser impulses (again though, the Minnesota stuff seems to be changing that) and would vote differently until that element is stamped out of the party.
I fully expect Trump and Noem to declare this driver a domestic terrorist and call for immediate execution.
"Now hold on a second...there are two sides to every coin and i'm not sure this young lady was actually hit by this car. I can't make it out clearly from the 4k video." @baltimorened probably
And are we sure it was a hit and run? It looked like he slowed down for a few seconds.
Got a link to that Minn law quote yet? We are still waiting for you to tell us where you got that source from!!! Otherwise, It's kind of ironic that you are calling out others for lying, wouldn't you say? Did you just make it up, or did you get it from some random person and posted it as if it were a fact?
I gave a link to the whole law in detail so go read it dont be lazy. I linked to the law but you need to read it. I provided the state statue's and the link to the MN site where the laws are listed. Thats after I c&p the law to begin with. If you are too lazy to go look thats on you...
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I have no problem with ICE arresting criminals and deporting them. But from their own site, a pretty large percentage of ICE arrests are folks with no other criminal record. Note that ICE also counts anyone with a charge against them as being a criminal. I freely admit that I'm not especially keen to deport folks that are here working, paying taxes, and raising families.
I do however have a MAJOR problem with them shooting US citizens who are only protesting. I also have a MAJOR problem with US government officials intentionally lying to the public about the people that were shot and killed. If these folks are interfering with ICE/Border Patrol operations, then arrest them, put them on trial, and lock them up. No problem with that.
Here's the source of my assertations of ICE arresting an increasing number of illegal immigrants w/o no other records.
As ICE Arrests Increased, a Higher Portion Had No U.S. Criminal Record - FactCheck.org
While the Trump administration insists that it is targeting the "worst of the worst" in its immigration enforcement, it has not provided information to substantiate that, and the data that is available suggests the claim has become less accurate over time.
www.factcheck.org
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Sec. 624.7181 MN Statutes
www.revisor.mn.gov
It does not say what you were told it says. Happy to have any MAGA dunk on me for this.
@fatpiggy @MTTiger19 @ANEW @baltimorened
Can someone not on my side just tell TRR he's been misled? Or help me find what he's talking about.
@TigerRagRob willing to self ban myself for a week if you can provide a link to the actual statute rather than just the state website. You have been lied to.
Without actually knowing the detailed law on the subject matter ... just ask yourself if that would make any sense. If local police can't arrest federal agents for violations of state laws, who can? Are you suggesting federal agents can act with impunity, and commit as many state law violations as they want?
Of course they can. But you saw the clip of that LAPD chief, right? Saying he's not going to jack up any feds for mask violations. That's a choice they're making. They aren't prohibited from doing so ... he just said it's a public policy decision (selective enforcement ... which happens daily, for better or worse, in all areas of the law).
Sorry, I'm not claiming to know either way. I suspect you're probably right but I'm acknowledging that I'm not going to be bothered to look into it. The overall point, though, was that some local law enforcement might feel like they can't or shouldn't try to arrest federal agents. That's all.
I can assure you, state and local cops can arrest federal agents for violations of state laws. No need to look it up.
The Supremacy Clause only shields feds from prosecution for acts that are done within the scope of their federal duties (so if a state law prohibited something that is allowed and necessary for a federal agent to discharge his duties, lawfully under federal law, state police couldn't arrest them for these acts) ... but murder, for instance, is not within the scope of their federal duties (at least, under the Constitution, before Trump destroyed it and instituted the fascist dictatorial Trumpstitution).
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Hey I don't have a dog in this fight. there are 37,000 page in this thread and i'm not going to dig through it to find the link and then plow through minnedishu state statutes. I couldn't find what TRR was referring to either, in all honesty. According to AI, showing up to a protest amed in and of itself isn't is a no-no per AI. Thatt rapidly changes however if you start resisting arrest or whatver and you go from "my right" to "felony" pretty quick.Sec. 624.7181 MN Statutes
It does not say what you were told it says. Happy to have any MAGA dunk on me for this.
@fatpiggy @MTTiger19 @ANEW @baltimorened
Can someone not on my side just tell TRR he's been misled? Or help me find what he's talking about.
@TigerRagRob willing to self ban myself for a week if you can provide a link to the actual statute rather than just the state website. You have been lied to.
Not even trying to be aggressive and gotcha. But it’s just a really simple thing. Not an opinion thing. Someone lied to him. He should know.
Not a lie when i did a C&P from a site with the laws listed. Which law are you contending with?Sec. 624.7181 MN Statutes
It does not say what you were told it says. Happy to have any MAGA dunk on me for this.
@fatpiggy @MTTiger19 @ANEW @baltimorened
Can someone not on my side just tell TRR he's been misled? Or help me find what he's talking about.
@TigerRagRob willing to self ban myself for a week if you can provide a link to the actual statute rather than just the state website. You have been lied to.
It is linked above man. It isn’t what you had said previously and is strictly referring to Rifles and Shotguns.
You shared the above. Copied and pasted from somewhere but it wasn’t from Minnesotas laws. I am saying whatever source you did copy and paste it from intentionally deceived people and you should not trust them moving forward.
So you are attempting to say that you are allowed to carry at protest and political rally's in MN and what I posted is wrong?
Yes. Your own link proves that false. The fact that no official on the right is stating that law proves that is false.
why would any person on the right run out with this. End of the day it didnt matter because he knew what he was doing and would prove one way or another if something is true or not. Ask AI if its true or not or better yet ask a MN lawyer...
I asked AI....number 5 applies in this case
624.7181 CARRYING OF FIREARMS IN CERTAIN PLACES.
Subdivision 1. Prohibited places. A person who has a permit to carry a pistol may not carry a pistol in: (1) a school building or on school property, except as provided in section 609.66, subdivision 1d; (2) a courthouse; (3) a polling place on election day; (4) a place of worship, if posted; (5) a public gathering where the primary purpose is to advocate for or against a specific policy or candidate, unless the gathering is held in a private residence or a place of business owned or leased by the permit holder.
624.7181 CARRYING OF FIREARMS IN CERTAIN PLACES.
Subdivision 1. Prohibited places. A person who has a permit to carry a pistol may not carry a pistol in: (1) a school building or on school property, except as provided in section 609.66, subdivision 1d; (2) a courthouse; (3) a polling place on election day; (4) a place of worship, if posted; (5) a public gathering where the primary purpose is to advocate for or against a specific policy or candidate, unless the gathering is held in a private residence or a place of business owned or leased by the permit holder.
You really think if there was a law against having a fun at a protest no one would mention it?
I googled it and found the law on the Minnesota website. It didn’t say what you pasted. I am sorry someone deceived you. It has happened to me. Lots of people out there lying for clicks and engagement.
Please look up the law in the link you provided. It is specifically about Rifles and Shotguns.
I’ll help yall out.
AI says :
Yes, in Minnesota, you are generally allowed to carry a firearm at protests and political rallies, provided you comply with the state’s permit-to-carry laws and other applicable restrictions.
Minnesota requires a valid Permit to Carry (issued under Minn. Stat. § 624.714) for carrying a pistol (handgun) in public, whether concealed or openly. The permit allows carrying a loaded firearm in most public places. There is no specific state law prohibiting carrying at protests, demonstrations, political rallies, or similar public gatherings.
Multiple reliable sources confirm this:
Key points and caveats:
Laws can change, and specific circumstances (e.g., event location, if it’s on private property, or if it’s deemed a “licensed public gathering” under narrow definitions) matter. For the most current advice, check the Minnesota Bureau of Criminal Apprehension (BCA) website or consult a local attorney familiar with firearms law. This is not legal advice.
AI says :
Yes, in Minnesota, you are generally allowed to carry a firearm at protests and political rallies, provided you comply with the state’s permit-to-carry laws and other applicable restrictions.
Minnesota requires a valid Permit to Carry (issued under Minn. Stat. § 624.714) for carrying a pistol (handgun) in public, whether concealed or openly. The permit allows carrying a loaded firearm in most public places. There is no specific state law prohibiting carrying at protests, demonstrations, political rallies, or similar public gatherings.
Multiple reliable sources confirm this:
- Minnesota is not among the states (about 16 or so) that ban or restrict firearms at protests or demonstrations.
- Gun rights organizations like the Minnesota Gun Owners Caucus state there is “no prohibition on a permit holder carrying a firearm, loaded, with multiple magazines at a protest or rally in Minnesota.”
- Fact-checks (e.g., from FactCheck.org, PBS, Snopes) and experts note no blanket state prohibition exists, even amid recent controversies where federal officials claimed otherwise—these claims were deemed incorrect under Minnesota law.
Key points and caveats:
- You must have a valid Minnesota Permit to Carry (or qualify under another exception, like being a peace officer).
- Open carry of handguns is allowed with the permit (no concealment requirement).
- Long guns (rifles/shotguns) have separate rules—generally, carrying them loaded in public places can be restricted (see Minn. Stat. § 624.7181), but unloaded transport to/from lawful activities is often okay.
- Firearms remain prohibited in certain locations, even with a permit, such as schools, courthouses, certain government buildings, or if a private event/organizer bans them (though public streets/sidewalks are typically fine).
- If a protest turns into a riot or involves criminal activity (e.g., Minn. Stat. § 609.66 on dangerous weapons), carrying could lead to charges.
- Local ordinances (e.g., in Minneapolis) generally defer to state permit holders and do not override the state allowance for permitted carry.
Laws can change, and specific circumstances (e.g., event location, if it’s on private property, or if it’s deemed a “licensed public gathering” under narrow definitions) matter. For the most current advice, check the Minnesota Bureau of Criminal Apprehension (BCA) website or consult a local attorney familiar with firearms law. This is not legal advice.
Different answer for long guns. Maybe this is where yall are missing each other?
For long guns (rifles or shotguns) at protests or political rallies in Minnesota, the rules are stricter than for handguns. Generally, you cannot legally carry a loaded long gun openly or concealed in public places, including at protests, unless you have a valid Minnesota Permit to Carry.
Key Law: Minn. Stat. § 624.7181
This statute makes it a gross misdemeanor to carry a rifle, shotgun, or BB gun “on or about the person” in a public place (which includes streets, sidewalks, parks, and other areas open to the public where protests occur).
However, there are exceptions, and one key one applies here:
Without a permit:
At Protests/Rallies Specifically
Important Caveats
This is not legal advice—laws can be interpreted in specific situations, and local enforcement varies. For the latest, check the Minnesota Bureau of Criminal Apprehension (BCA) website or consult a firearms attorney. If you’re considering this, strongly consider professional training on de-escalation and legal boundaries.
For long guns (rifles or shotguns) at protests or political rallies in Minnesota, the rules are stricter than for handguns. Generally, you cannot legally carry a loaded long gun openly or concealed in public places, including at protests, unless you have a valid Minnesota Permit to Carry.
Key Law: Minn. Stat. § 624.7181
This statute makes it a gross misdemeanor to carry a rifle, shotgun, or BB gun “on or about the person” in a public place (which includes streets, sidewalks, parks, and other areas open to the public where protests occur).
However, there are exceptions, and one key one applies here:
- Carrying a long gun is not prohibited if you have a valid Minnesota Permit to Carry (issued under § 624.714).
- This allows permit holders to carry long guns in public, loaded or unloaded, openly or concealed, just like handguns.
Without a permit:
- You can transport a long gun if it’s unloaded and fully enclosed in a case (zipped, snapped, etc.), with no part exposed.
- You can carry it unloaded to/from lawful activities (e.g., hunting, target shooting, parades, funerals, gun shows), or to repair/sale locations.
- But openly carrying a loaded (or even unloaded, uncased) long gun in public is illegal without the permit.
At Protests/Rallies Specifically
- Minnesota has no specific ban on firearms at protests, rallies, or demonstrations for permit holders.
- Multiple sources (e.g., Minnesota Gun Owners Caucus, fact-checks from FactCheck.org, Snopes, PBS) confirm permit holders can carry loaded firearms (including long guns) at such events.
- There are examples of people openly carrying long guns at gun rights rallies at the Minnesota State Capitol.
- However, long gun carry is rare in urban areas and often draws police attention, even if legal with a permit.
Important Caveats
- Permit required: Only a Minnesota-issued Permit to Carry qualifies for the long gun exception—other states’ permits do not.
- Other restrictions still apply: No carry in schools, courthouses, certain government buildings, or if the event is on private property with a ban. If the protest involves criminal activity (e.g., rioting), additional charges could apply.
- Practical advice: Openly carrying a long gun at a protest is likely to escalate situations quickly, even if legally allowed. Many experts recommend against it unless you’re very familiar with the law and prepared for law enforcement interaction.
- No recent changes: As of 2026, these rules remain in place—no new statewide bans on long guns at protests.
This is not legal advice—laws can be interpreted in specific situations, and local enforcement varies. For the latest, check the Minnesota Bureau of Criminal Apprehension (BCA) website or consult a firearms attorney. If you’re considering this, strongly consider professional training on de-escalation and legal boundaries.
Yeah, someone had just shared a fake law, that looked pretty legit. And he didn’t want to take my word for it, but when I’m wrong on something not opinion based, I certainly want to know. Thought he’d be more likely to believe someone on the right.
Right, what I keep saying. That’s the actual statute. Someone changed it and was sharing it as all firearms. Likely for engagement.
I don’t have a dog in the fight and don’t really know what yall are arguing about. But just threw it into AI