If Hudspeth is great enough to deliver us out of the wilderness, why aren't schools lining up to interview him. I heard this BS in 1986 when it was make "Emory a Memory" and we hired Rocky. Why do you think he's going to be Freeze 2.0?
If Hudspeth is the Next Coming ...
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Up-tempo spread. Grew up a State fan. Strong ties in the state due to previous coaching positions in the State. Prior success at every coaching stop he made.
I see the comparison.
I see the comparison.
My point is what BCS schools have interviewed Hudspeth much less tried to hire him. I'll hang up and listen.
This is his 3rd season, genius. People want to see if he sustains it. Once he goes 9-3/10-2 again this year, he will become a bigger candidate IMO. Especially now that the Sunbelt has churned out winners in Freeze and Malzahn in the last few years.
Nobody knows what would happen with any new hire. It's a roll of the dice. But one thing for sure, the last hire isn't working out. So, we have to balance the "goodness" of keeping a hire that didn't work out, or taking a chance on somebody else.
I don't know why Dan isn't working, but he isn't.
I don't know why Dan isn't working, but he isn't.
Don't really care but if you're going to fire him, you better have a good plan. Like Ole Miss firing Cutcliffe, it wouldn't be completely unjustified but you have to make a better replacement hire than we did. Should be easier now though. SEC coaching jobs are much more desirable and pay a lot more now.
The clamor for Hudspeth reminds me of all the clamor for Bobby Wallace in the rough times during the early Sherrill years. Wallace was the coach at Temple and had MSU ties. If Mullen doesn't at least have a break even year, I think a change needs to be made, but I am not sold on Hudspeth. However, I think the discussion is moot because MSU is way too slow about firing coaches so Mullen gets at least one, maybe two more years no matter how we do the rest of the season.
Explain to me exactly what about Hudspeth that you are not sold about?
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Just goes to show how ignorant our fans were back in the day. People really clamoring for a guy that oversaw the ONLY team in history, to my knowledge, to be kicked out of a BCS conference?
Explain to me exactly what about Hudspeth that you are not sold about?
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Just goes to show how ignorant our fans were back in the day. People really clamoring for a guy that oversaw the ONLY team in history, to my knowledge, to be kicked out of a BCS conference?
Our fans were clamoring for Bobby Wallace circa 1996 when he was at North Alabama! If you are going to show his record, either show it to everyone who is to ignorant to look it up or cite what it was when people wanted him at Mississippi State.
[h=2]Bobby Wallace Head coaching record[/h]
| Year | Team | Overall | Conference | Standing | Bowl/playoffs | Coaches[SUP]#[/SUP] | AP[SUP]°[/SUP] |
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| North Alabama Lions (Gulf South Conference) <small>(1988–1997)</small> | |||||||
| 1988 | North Alabama | 2–8 | 2–6 | 8th | |||
| 1989 | North Alabama | 6–5 | 4–4 | 5th | |||
| 1990 | North Alabama | 8–3 | 6–2 | T–2nd | L NCAA Division II First Round | ||
| 1991 | North Alabama | 3–7 | 1–5 | 7th | |||
| 1992 | North Alabama | 7–4–1 | 2–2–1 | T–2nd | L NCAA Division II Second Round | ||
| 1993 | North Alabama | 14–0 | 7–0 | 1st | W NCAA Division II Championship | ||
| 1994 | North Alabama | 13–1 | 7–0 | 1st | W NCAA Division II Championship | ||
| 1995 | North Alabama | 14–0 | 8–0 | 1st | W NCAA Division II Championship | ||
| 1996 | North Alabama | 6–5 | 4–4 | T–5th | |||
| 1997 | North Alabama | 9–3 | 6–2 | 3rd | L NCAA Division II First Round | ||
| Temple Owls (Big East Conference) <small>(1998–2004)</small> | |||||||
| 1998 | Temple | 2–9 | 2–5 | T–6th | |||
| 1999 | Temple | 2–9 | 2–5 | T–6th | |||
| 2000 | Temple | 4–7 | 1–6 | 7th | |||
| 2001 | Temple | 4–7 | 2–5 | 6th | |||
| 2002 | Temple | 4–8 | 2–5 | T–6th | |||
| 2003 | Temple | 1–11 | 0–7 | 8th | |||
| 2004 | Temple | 2–9 | 1–5 | T–6th | |||
| Temple Owls (NCAA Division I-A Independent) <small>(2005)</small> | |||||||
| 2005 | Temple | 0–11 | |||||
| Temple: | 19–71 | 10–39 | |||||
| West Alabama Tigers (Gulf South Conference) <small>(2006–2010)</small> | |||||||
| 2006 | West Alabama | 6–5 | 3–5 | 6th | |||
| 2007 | West Alabama | 1–9 | 0–8 | 11th | |||
| 2008 | West Alabama | 4–7 | 2–6 | T–8th | |||
| 2009 | West Alabama | 8–5 | 5–3 | T–3rd | L NCAA Division II Second Round | ||
| 2010 | West Alabama | 7–4 | 5–3 | 5th | |||
| West Alabama: | 26–30 | 15–25 | |||||
| North Alabama Lions (Gulf South Conference) <small>(2012–present)</small> | |||||||
| 2012 | North Alabama | 5–5 | 2–3 | T–3rd | |||
| North Alabama: | 87–41–1 | 49–28–1 | |||||
| Total: | 132–140–1 | ||||||
| <small> National championship Conference title Conference division title</small> | |||||||
| <small>[SUP]#[/SUP]Rankings from final Coaches' Poll. [SUP]°[/SUP]Rankings from final AP Poll.</small> |
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Additionally, he spend a nine years as an assistant under Pat Dye at three different schools!
Next you only cite Mark Hudspeth's ULL record. How about including his overall record as a head coach:
| Year | Team | Overall | Conference | Standing | Bowl/playoffs | Coaches[SUP]#[/SUP] | AP[SUP]°[/SUP] |
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| North Alabama Lions (Gulf South Conference) <small>(2002–2008)</small> | |||||||
| 2002 | North Alabama | 4–7 | 3–6 | T–8th | |||
| 2003 | North Alabama | 13–1 | 9–0 | 1st | L NCAA Division II Semifinal | ||
| 2004 | North Alabama | 5–5 | 4–5 | T–6th | |||
| 2005 | North Alabama | 11–3 | 7–2 | T–2nd | L NCAA Division II Semifinal | ||
| 2006 | North Alabama | 11–1 | 8–0 | 1st | L NCAA Division II Quarterfinal | ||
| 2007 | North Alabama | 10–2 | 7–1 | T–2nd | L NCAA Division II Quarterfinal | ||
| 2008 | North Alabama | 12–2 | 7–1 | 2nd | L NCAA Division II Semifinal | ||
| North Alabama: | 66–21 | 45–15 | |||||
| Louisiana–Lafayette Ragin' Cajuns (Sun Belt Conference) <small>(2011–present)</small> | |||||||
| 2011 | Louisiana–Lafayette | 9–4 | 6–2 | 3rd | W New Orleans | ||
| 2012 | Louisiana–Lafayette | 9–4 | 6–2 | T–2nd | W New Orleans | ||
| 2013 | Louisiana–Lafayette | 4–2 | 2–0 | ||||
| Louisiana–Lafayette: | 22–10 | 14–4 | |||||
| Total: | 88–31 | ||||||
| <small> National championship Conference title Conference division title</small> | |||||||
| <small>[SUP]#[/SUP]Rankings from final Coaches' Poll. [SUP]°[/SUP]Rankings from final AP Poll.</small> |
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Actually a couple of schools have interviewed Hud, and he's removed his name from consideration from 2 schools that I personally know of.
Just because UF isn't lining up to hire him doesn't mean he's worth it. How many colleges wanted Dan? Plenty had their shot. You're talking about a Mississippi boy who coaches a down south team who's turned down other teams already. Who are you expecting to call?
Just because UF isn't lining up to hire him doesn't mean he's worth it. How many colleges wanted Dan? Plenty had their shot. You're talking about a Mississippi boy who coaches a down south team who's turned down other teams already. Who are you expecting to call?
Wanting to hire a guy DIRECTLY from North Alabama as HC at MSU does NOTHING but prove JUST how small-thinking MSU fans were at the same time.
HUD was better than Wallace at North Alabama. Then Hud was great as an assistant at MSU. And he has had ALL-TIME success at ULL giving them what is going to prove to be their BEST season in history -- after ALREADY giving them their two best seasons. Hud will have offers from EVERYBODY this year -- he's literally about to become the hottest name in coaching. In reality, he's already close to that.
People that say "I don't get why people like Hudspeth" simply haven't done their research.
HUD was better than Wallace at North Alabama. Then Hud was great as an assistant at MSU. And he has had ALL-TIME success at ULL giving them what is going to prove to be their BEST season in history -- after ALREADY giving them their two best seasons. Hud will have offers from EVERYBODY this year -- he's literally about to become the hottest name in coaching. In reality, he's already close to that.
People that say "I don't get why people like Hudspeth" simply haven't done their research.
He's already been a serious candidate at Ole Miss and Arizona.
He was OM's first choice -- and made it to contract negotiation phase before he shut it down over a non-compete clause saying that he couldn't leave them for MSU.
http://www.katc.com/news/report-hudspeth-pulls-name-from-ole-miss-consideration/
Since the OP brought up freeze, let's look at him. In Mullen's 2nd year we all loved him and were scared to death that he would take a "better" job. Lets not appoint Freeze the next saben yet.
But if you want to, and if you want to know who is the next coming of Freeze, how many programs were knocking on his door to get him?
But if you want to, and if you want to know who is the next coming of Freeze, how many programs were knocking on his door to get him?
I think you might have misunderstood what I was saying, I'm not disagreeing with you at all about Mark Hudspeth as a coach or his increasing market value. We are on the same page. However, all I was saying was his accomplishments at North Alabama should not be discounted from his overall record of success.
To that end, I'm not sure I agree with you on Bobby Wallace just because he ended up in the college football graveyard of Temple (I have no idea why he took that job). Again, when the interest for Wallace (from our people) was being generated, he had just won his third Div. II National Championship. Although, he did not win as many games as fast as Mark Hudspeth, three consecutive National Championships is significant. At the end of the day they both did extremely well there.
Your subsequent points to the original poster are spot on.
What does it matter
Hud was on our radar before he started at ULL. He has to prove himself to get bcs offers. How do you know he won't have a bunch of them after this season, only his third one? He is more qualified than Dan was when we hired him. And Hud might not ever leave if he took the job. He has better relationships with the high school coaches already, and he is a better recruiter. He is also generally more liked. He has won wherever he was. He immediately turned around arguably the worst program in the country. We had our best season with Mullen while Hud was helping with the offense. The main thing is that he wants to be here supposedly so if everyone is right about him, that's a huge plus. I can keep going. You don't have to play so dumb. Nobody we hire is guaranteed to be good. Hud is a grand slam hire on paper.
Hud was on our radar before he started at ULL. He has to prove himself to get bcs offers. How do you know he won't have a bunch of them after this season, only his third one? He is more qualified than Dan was when we hired him. And Hud might not ever leave if he took the job. He has better relationships with the high school coaches already, and he is a better recruiter. He is also generally more liked. He has won wherever he was. He immediately turned around arguably the worst program in the country. We had our best season with Mullen while Hud was helping with the offense. The main thing is that he wants to be here supposedly so if everyone is right about him, that's a huge plus. I can keep going. You don't have to play so dumb. Nobody we hire is guaranteed to be good. Hud is a grand slam hire on paper.
Temple is only about a 5% "worse job" than ULL historically.
Temple all-time: 430-555-53(.440)
Wallace(there): 19-71(.211)
He was 23% below the historical average at that program. He proved he had no place in bigtime college football.
Their history did not prevent Al Golden from winning there -- and parlaying it into a bigtime coaching job where he's done well.
ULL all-time: 497-524-34(.487)
Hudspeth(there): 22-10(.688 ) He's in all likelihood going to complete this year at 10-2 or 9-3(about .718 overall).
As of today, Hudspeth is 21% above historical average at that program. He's consistently proven that he deserves a place at bigtime college football -- preferably in the southeast -- and has literally won huge at every stop he's made.
Again -- if we had originally hired Hud as our head coach in 2009 fresh out of North Alabama, I would have been pissed -- and it would have been the laughing stock of the country. He was simply not proven on a high enough level to deserve a shot at an SEC job at the time. He may have been the "right hire" -- but it wouldn't change the fact of how big of a risk it would have been. And he would have never proven it as an assistant here either.
People forget that he went to what was labeled #120 -- THE WORST JOB IN ALL OF FBS -- when he arrived there. Him winning 9+ games every season there has skewed everyone's vision to the fact that they had NEVER won a bowl game prior to him. And I'm sure it's easy to recruit to Lafayette, La**
Bottom line is that Hudspeth has proven himself worthy now. If we don't give him the shot, some other BCS team will.
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How so?
ULL historical win percentage - .487
MSU historical win percentage - .485
If it was so easy to win in Lafayette, why is Mark Hudspeth the first person that's ever been able to do it?
http://espn.go.com/watchespn/player/_/id/1124619/size/condensed/
Here is the video of him vs Petrino.
To save people trouble, Petrino dominates first half but has some bad turnovers allowing ULL to stay close. Hud adjusts and totally dominates the second half on both sides of the ball. Yes, it's physical. Reminiscent of our game vs UF in 2010. He ran it down Petrino's throat in the second half -- and Broadway completed some big passes when he had to -- which wasn't very often...
Not really. It's all relative. ULL is historically bad in the same way we're historically bad. No one has ever been able to win there at all -- not much different than the way few have been able to win consistently at MSU.
He's been a head coach at 3 different levels now. He's won big at all 3. MSU will never hire anything closer to a sure thing in football than Mark Hudspeth is right now -- and we'll certainly never be able to hire any more of a sure-thing that considers it his dream job and is likely to stay.
To me, Hud is alot like Cohen... A long-term answer for us.
No one is saying that ULL and MSU play the same level of competition, but ULL is the MSU of the Sun Belt. They've never been competitive playing against that weak schedule. Their schedule didn't just all of a sudden get easier once Hud got there. He has done something at ULL that no one has ever been able to do. Being from Lafayette, it is literally amazing to me what he has done at ULL.
Again, nothing is a sure thing when it comes to Msu winning in football consistently. Firing coaches who have winning records isn't always the best solutions. I have no problem with Hud being our future coach, I just don't get it when folks want to fire a coach when the season is only half way and he has taken us to 3 straight bowls which no other coach has ever done before. I also find it funny reading where our own fans complain about how bad our fans are. All I know after graduating from Msu in 1973, it amazes me to see where we are headed for the future with athletics.
I don't think Dan is perfect, I do hope he makes changes and we continue to keep winning and going to bowls and I also realize he needs that signature win but right now I just want to beat Ky and see how all of this plays out.
I don't think Dan is perfect, I do hope he makes changes and we continue to keep winning and going to bowls and I also realize he needs that signature win but right now I just want to beat Ky and see how all of this plays out.
The question posed in the thread was not "convince me that we need to fire Mullen" -- it was "sell me on Mark Hudspeth". You are delving into something else entirely with this topic.
But, I counter with why do we have to let matters completely fall apart before we can get rid of coaches? We made basketball and baseball rebuilds more difficult than they had to be by holding on to those coaches too long. Why do we feel it's a coach's "right" to tear down the teams WE build?
The bottom line is -- we got rid of Croom at exactly the right moment -- and we were better for it. We kept Polk a bunch of years too long -- and we had a MISERABLE rebuild -- that was just completed in year 5. How long will it take Ray(even if he is the right answer -- and there is certainly no guarantee of that at this moment)? We kept Sherrill for a year too long -- and made a bad hire, who we gave far too many chances, which set us back almost a decade.
After 2, really 3(outside of the Arky game in Little Rock) years of hitting people in the mouth and playing EVERYONE tough, for the past year and a half, we've been a soft football team that quits at the first sign of adversity. I feel like one off-season was AMPLE opportunity to fix that along with our other issues. Are these things going to suddenly get fixed in year 2? Doubtful...
