People were excited about Mullens 5-7 year and if you think lebby took over a better situation I can’t help you.
If Lebby goes 5-7, which naysayers will admit
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You can talk in circles and name call all you want. The fact is they both played difficult schedules, but Mullen had an infinitely better roster.
And you can spot dumb people when they ignore facts.
Loved leach.
Wish he was here and alive.
FACT: He didn’t recruit any defensive talent that was still here when lebby got here that was worth a 17.
Thank you. I didn’t want to go research the talent we had that year compared to last year. Not even comparable.
You are a liar and an idiot. Name one person Lebby ran off that would see the field in the sec.
True but since this was the case, why wasn't our new DC full time when he was hired? Why did he stay with Alabama to coach. This falls on Lebby for not having him in Starkville full time and recruiting the moment he was hired.
Are we trying to avoid saying Arnetts name ? Because what Leach left behind in 23 was a good team. What Arnett burned to the ground was a different story. maybe Keenum shouldn’t have made Arnett permanent and allowed him to blow up the program ? or is that Leachs fault too ?
He also lost to Georgia tech.
but there were idiots who thought Mullen wasn’t a good coach after 2009 and after 2017
they were idiots then and are still idiots now
No you 17ing retard but why would lebby be blamed for what arnett did? GD idiots.
But why you are at it. Name a defensive player arnett lost that would have helped Lebby.
I’ll help you you double digit moron. You can’t name one.
Name a defensive player that Arnett or Lebby brought in through the portal that are worth a damm.
Nope. Would have been year one with a change at DC or if that DC had been here day one and we didn't look like poop, not lined up incorrectly, etc. This is a hard year two.
Yeah you get a let down game but you better win one you aren't suppose to in order to make up for it.
You don't get to have it every way with free passes.
Yeah and that staff was there day one coaching those guys up. Look at the stars of those guys. That staff taught them how to win.
He still had some issues bc JWS basically quit the discipline thing. I'll take Dan anyday over any of our last 4 coaches, but he did have some good talent and brought more in. That 5-7 1st year gave hs players enough to know that he knew what he was doing. I'm not sure how outside players see Libby
So you haven't pondered which teams we would beat to get to 5 in your hypothetical? Just wishful thinking?
I'm not going to discuss whether 5 wins makes one a good coach. 5 wins. Five. If you're rationalizing 5 as a good job aside from rebounding from the death penalty, then shut down the program and let's spend money on other things. All the millions invested to pretend 5 wins is good is horseshit .
Position coaches promoted to DC in the SEC? That list can't be long for multiple reasons.
I do recall Croom did OK recruiting. However we should’ve looked somewhat competent but outmatched. I don’t think we hit the somewhat competent mark.
Lebby didn’t take over a better situation.
Two things made me excited about Mullens’ 5-7 year: Relf’s Egg Bowl and replacing the defensive coordinator.
Beating Ole Miss is always good & while Mullens liked to be overbearing towards DCs, at least he knew when things should be looked at by a different set of eyes.
Hertzler was an odd choice to be DC.
Odd is okay when it works (e.g., Joe Lee Dunn, that odd, mad genius & Mike Leach).
Hertzler has a long long ways to get within shouting distance of either of them…
Also remember the Budweiser car incident…..in year 5 for Croom.
If you look at what this job requires given the post Arnett implosion, it’s a program builder, someone who knows the ins and outs running and building a program and given the relative lack of nil compared to peers it’s someone who can evaluate talent, work the portal md money ball it. Thats Bobby Petrino and that’s Mike Leach.
just a really tough ask for a OC who has never been a head coach and hasn’t earned his stripes. You can’t beat experience, I don’t care what field you work in. I really haven’t been critical of Lebby but I think an older hand would have been a better hire given the circumstances.
Your second paragraph is spot on.
The fact Lebby didn’t get a seasoned DC to be Our DC: As far as I’m concerned, that’s a…
And paragraph one leads right into paragraph two. An old salt would know that.Your second paragraph is spot on.
The fact Lebby didn’t get a seasoned DC to be Our DC: As far as I’m concerned, that’s a…
Can the mods around this joint put a stop to the incessant name calling, especially from pain? It just ruins the ability to carry on open forum conversations. I know feelings are hurt because our favorite university sucks at football and aint got the admin to step and hire legit head coaches away from even FCS schools, but dang name calling is not unifying our fan base behind the current guy either.
He’s the worst poster in the history of this board.
This is and has always been fake news. I know it’s accepted among our fanbase. But our fanbase is not the most knowledgeable in the country, and that’s being nice.
Big reason why we have no sustained success.
I'll pray for him to receive peace, patience, understanding and gentleness.
It wasn’t an odd choice. It was a 17ing disaster. That we all knew was coming the day he was announced.
So you can’t name one leach got? Got it.
I’ll let you know after this year who Lebby brought in. I don’t care about what the baconater did.
We are talking about when hutzler got on campus to start working. Can you read?
That’s an opinion. It’s a fact we didn’t have as much talent in 2024 as we did in 2009. FACT
Joe Lee Dunn was great with pretty 17ing good talent. FACT.