I'm reading this as sarcasm? If so, I'm not sure ESPN is a good example as they are having some huge challenges
If P4 football programs don't break away
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There will be way more than 10 schools trying to spend their way to the title.
10 teams made it this year with a playoff-sized payroll, and look who didn’t:
Michigan
Notre Dame
Penn State
Washington
Texas
LSU
Florida
Tennessee
Florida State
Auburn
Clemson
Here’s another handful of schools who aren’t in that same category, but seem committed to spending what it’s going to take:
Missouri
Vanderbilt
SMU
Houston
BYU
Here are some other schools with historical success and (probably) plenty of money:
USC
Nebraska
Colorado
Iowa
That’s 30 teams. I don’t think any of them are going to throw up their hands and say “oh well, we can’t compete in this era.” I could name a bunch more that, with a good coaching hire, could commit the resources to compete until a true blue blood poaches their coach (that’s basically the rest of the P4).
10 teams made it this year with a playoff-sized payroll, and look who didn’t:
Michigan
Notre Dame
Penn State
Washington
Texas
LSU
Florida
Tennessee
Florida State
Auburn
Clemson
Here’s another handful of schools who aren’t in that same category, but seem committed to spending what it’s going to take:
Missouri
Vanderbilt
SMU
Houston
BYU
Here are some other schools with historical success and (probably) plenty of money:
USC
Nebraska
Colorado
Iowa
That’s 30 teams. I don’t think any of them are going to throw up their hands and say “oh well, we can’t compete in this era.” I could name a bunch more that, with a good coaching hire, could commit the resources to compete until a true blue blood poaches their coach (that’s basically the rest of the P4).
Folks, I’m not meaning today or even the next few seasons, i looking down the road, 10 years or so. If it gets to a point that only 10-20 teams are competitive, then large scale fan interest is going to evaporate. We already have the NFL with 32 (?) teams, CFB will become a professional minor league and those have not been successful.
The last couple of seasons have been great, but it’s not sustainable, if the rumors of the money Texas Tech and a few other programs are throwing around are true, it’s going to ruin CFB in the long run.
To retain large scale fan interest, CFB needs 60ish teams spread across the country, all with at least hope of being competitive.
We need a commissioner who can put together some type of CBA or other framework work to rein this in.
The last couple of seasons have been great, but it’s not sustainable, if the rumors of the money Texas Tech and a few other programs are throwing around are true, it’s going to ruin CFB in the long run.
To retain large scale fan interest, CFB needs 60ish teams spread across the country, all with at least hope of being competitive.
We need a commissioner who can put together some type of CBA or other framework work to rein this in.
I don’t think all of the teams listed above will be able to crazily spend for the next 10 years. You didn’t list Texas Tech and they may have more NIL than the rest. Even if it settles out at 30 teams, a ton of fan interest will be lost, i won’t be nearly as engaged. I’ll treat it more like the NFL of which i pay casual interest.
Bruh we had Willie Fritz ready to sign on the line that is dotted.
If your AD would commit to only hiring experience head coaches in that age range, along with a D first mentality and knowing we have to be different on offense, it would really narrow the focus on who we should and shouldn't hire, and we'd find the guy. That's what strategic planning does - it makes decision making easier and automatic.
Instead we hire a guy who wasn't experienced and also runs an offense that isn't conducive to traditional MSU. Ya'll all think Kamario is the savior, just wait and see what this offense looks like next year. Gonna be like Croom with Omarr, square peg, round hole, all that shlt.
Is ole miss a top 25 richest school? Lets see how long it takes to get a direct answer!!
The only thing that will save college football is a return to 6 regional conferences, getting rid of the transfer portal and NIL, and real enforcement of violations.
None of that is happening.
The national championship game was high in viewers, but the regular season, bowl games and most playoff games were not where they were expected.
The scheduling issue, which I don't think anybody's really talked about in this thread, is a thorny issue driven by the bowls. The biggest reason for the long break is to get the quarters and semis into bowl games. Until that changes, it's gonna push the whole thing back. The only other issue is trying to avoid the NFL, which is why the title game is on the first playoff weekend without MNF.
The bowls continue to have too much sway over things, and I don't see that changing because they still do good business. All those minor bowl games get degenerate gamblers (and me) to tune it. Bowls are a thing because the NCAA has one sport at one level that it has never crowned a national championship for, and that's Division I-A/FBS football.
Last thing: Some new breakaway organization isn't going to be any different from the NCAA because the NCAA isn't some outside organization. It's the group the school presidents put in charge of overseeing college athletics. Putting another acronym on that group isn't going to change that.
The bowls continue to have too much sway over things, and I don't see that changing because they still do good business. All those minor bowl games get degenerate gamblers (and me) to tune it. Bowls are a thing because the NCAA has one sport at one level that it has never crowned a national championship for, and that's Division I-A/FBS football.
Last thing: Some new breakaway organization isn't going to be any different from the NCAA because the NCAA isn't some outside organization. It's the group the school presidents put in charge of overseeing college athletics. Putting another acronym on that group isn't going to change that.
Indiana didn't outspend everybody, neither did OM, Tulane, JMU, Alabama, or Oklahoma.
I'd say the enemy is TV, rather than the bowls. I don't think the actual bowls care when they are played, as long as they get TV eyeballs of course. That's why they wait until that Monday, like you said.
Postseason at neutral sites isn't a bad thing, I mean basketball does it, and it pays homage to the traditional bowl system even though it's all but dead. I don't see any issue with it.
100%
Mark Cuban hasn’t been involved until now. He had nothing to do with this roster
If the NCAA splinters into smaller independent groups, then the anti-trust issues may be resolved. The NCAA is considered a monopsony right now, because athletes have few options on where to ply their trade. If there are multiple college options, the monopsony designation may be removed, and - absent any form of collusion - each group could set its own rules on eligibility, transfers, and etc.
The problem.is, whichever group offers the most money, and rules that allow athletes to chase even more money, would be the desirable location. The lower tier groups would constantly be losing their better players to the upper tier, and also trying to grab the players who didn't cut it in the upper tier.
In short, while the anti trust issues might be removed, im not sure a free market would be any better.
The problem.is, whichever group offers the most money, and rules that allow athletes to chase even more money, would be the desirable location. The lower tier groups would constantly be losing their better players to the upper tier, and also trying to grab the players who didn't cut it in the upper tier.
In short, while the anti trust issues might be removed, im not sure a free market would be any better.
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They will ultimately get priced out by the truly rich schools.
I never envisioned college sports being played by non-students, and now we have professional players coming back to college.
I have a friend who thinks that since sports is the last great unifying thing we have in society, there are people who want to destroy it. That's why the professional leagues have gone woke (this Super Bowl halftime show is going to be something) and college sports are being destroyed by NIL, unlimited transfers and sports betting.
He may be on to something.
I have a friend who thinks that since sports is the last great unifying thing we have in society, there are people who want to destroy it. That's why the professional leagues have gone woke (this Super Bowl halftime show is going to be something) and college sports are being destroyed by NIL, unlimited transfers and sports betting.
He may be on to something.
I’ve tried to stress this, I’m looking down the road 5-10 years or so. I’m not referring to this season or the next couple of seasons.
If middling power 4 teams eventually have no hope of 6-6, then folks will eventually stop giving and it will collapse in the future. CFB with 20ish teams will not garner much interest.
If the top 20 ish teams break out into a super conference, i’ll no longer have strong interest.
The reason I’m concerned is there seems to be no coordinated effort to fix it.
Yes, the globalists have decided college sports and American Football are their last barrier to World Domination**
It's not going to happen and this whole thing is in the early stages of it's evolution really.
I hope so, but i see no real movement and my confidence in the NCAA is nil. There’s a lot of talk, but no movement, hopefully the p4 commissioners are working on a plan that can be implemented in a year or two. If this all drags out five years, irreparable harm may be done.
I know he hit baseballs far but a lot of people have said the same thing. I’m sure he appreciates the contribution and continued pats on the back but nothing here is ground breaking
Can't wait to see Green Day spew their hatred. Good music but clowns of epic proportions.
We have a GM for FB. And under Leach we let two guys make all the decisions which left us a terrible roster.
Lol
how much is that bs story going to get peddled to cover the terrible decisions made after Leach passed. Leach left a senior roster coming off 9-4. In the transfer portal era this is a bad joke.
All of it can be true. Leach and co recruited horribly. Our best defensive players they left for Arnette were recruited Mullen and were gone by the time Lebby arrived. Lebby inherited virtually nothing but has made bad decisions to compound the issue. But my main point was that you can have a sport specific GM but it doesn’t matter if they suck
Yeah buddy we doing WORK right now, I tell ya. I'd love to have that roster Leach after 2022 at the moment.
It's gotten stupid.
We would all love to have the defensive roster Mullen built. And I think our current front office is bad at what they do. But neither of you got the point
Nah
boosters , Brad Peterson and arnett blew up a veteran team returning most of the starters coming off 9-4 , fired Leachs staff and stunk it up so bad arnett was fired that same season. Lebby has gone 1-15 in the sec after that.
Transfer portal era where teams flip the roster in one year makes the blame leach nonsense a joke.
fact is Leach went 9-4 , beat ole Miss , finish the season ranked and his team
Won a new years bowl game. Fourth best season in school history. He left most of that senior laden team behind and the morons in leadership drove it straight into the ditch.
I’m talking about 2024. The roster was gross bc that staff put us in a real bind. We didn’t run off many guys that would have helped us be any better. Like I said Arnette relied on defensive guys recruited by Mullen and Moorhead bc that’s all we had. He didn’t run anyone off on defense. And when Lebby arrived they were all gone. And we didn’t exactly have a cohesive portal/NIL plan in December of 2023.
Oh we get it. We just don't agree that Leach left a dumpster fire.
27-26-27 - those are the rankings of 2021-2023 classes. The 2021 and 2022 transfer portal classes were pretty dead on too. Arnett comes in for the 2023 portal and runs a bunch off and signs some bums to run his new RuNdAbAwL offense. Oh look, Lenny comes around in 2024 and runs off even more, including 9 young linemen (both sides). And of course his incoming hit rate is terrible. And he did it again in 2025 after he had his 'system' in place. Pretty Croomtastic if you ask me.
Please tell me how the 17 this indicts Leach on anything except being a great coach. Do you really not think he would have hit YET AGAIN in the portal in 2023 and 2024 had he lived? Of course he would, and we'd have lived at 7-5 and 8-4, maybe even better if our alumni had stepped up for him.
Oh and by the way, we're doing the same stupid shlt with this current portal class. But hey we may pay Seaton 8M and he may drive us to 5 wins again.
I wish someone would rationally explain the hate for Mike. A great coach and great man. Very high IQ, especially compared to what we have now. We’d currently be 10x better off if he was still alive and coaching.