If Riek is told to go elsewhere...
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The "Riek's Havoc" crew is better than Rick's Rowdies.
Riek is my favorite player even though he is not very good. I would miss him.
Riek is my favorite player even though he is not very good. I would miss him.
He had a wide open dunk and could not get above the rim. It hurts me to watch him run down the court. I say let him transfer to a school that he will get minutes. If he really wants to stay we should honor our part but he will never see good playing time.
willingness to give it all he has. Many of his teammates could learn from him. He has come to a strange land learned a new language started college and battled physical limitations. If he wishes to go I wish him the best and appreciate him being a Dawg but if he wishes to stay I support him being on the team.
but he is far and away the worst scholarship player I've ever seen at State. He can't run, jump, pass, dribble, or shoot. It hurts our team to not use that scholarship effectively. I could walk into the Sanderson center tomorrow and pick out 20 guys that would help MSU better than him. Sports are cutthroat and everyone that plays knows that.
Wendell Lewis. He's just young at this point. He obviously can rebound, defend somewhat, and score occasionally with zero outside threat. That's exactly what Vincent was. The problem is we don't have a Lawrence Roberts or Mario Austin in there with him.
coming off a knee injury from last year and is far from the worst scholarship player we have had. Granted he is not an NBA player but he fillsa role for us by giving Sidney a few minutes' rest in the first half.
Who's next? Brandon Bolen?... I actually think he's "eating up" one of scholarships this year also.
He's definitely alot better than last year. He has ability. I would think 2 ACL tears at the same time being 7-2 260lbs would be a type of injury that will take 2 years minimum to over come. I'm not ready to throw the towel in just yet. He shoots well in warm ups. He's just hurt and living in another world right now.
calling for. He is low man on the totem pole. His scholarship should be used for an SEC caliber basketball player. If you wanna feel sorry for him fine but what about the kid whose a much better player that isn't getting the scholarship. He sucks end of story. I don't care if he's recovering from two leg amputations he will NEVER be an SEC player. Trim the fat. I sure hope Bolen is a senior. His scholarship can go to Moultrie. That leaves two open ones in my eyes. Bailey and Riek. Go get some players Recruiter!
I don't think the teams problems have to do with Riek. I'm simply trying to discuss something other than Stansbury, Sidney, Ravern. I would like to hear possibilities to fill the scholarships left open from Baileys departure, Twanny leaving and Rieks obvious waste of one as well as Bolen. That's 4 spots. 3 seniors 4 new guys with Moultrie. If my math is correct that leaves 3 open scholarships. Can't we add 3 solid players to help for next year on top of the 4 we got coming in or is that too many to add in one year?
with premier players is an extremely hard sell. Assuming that all of our jackasses are unable to leave for their "NBA aspirations", Stans would have to break out some serious snake-oil to convince some good players to come in and be backups.
Starting spots should be open for competition always. If I was Stansbury and I was catching this much heat and I had 3 more spots open on top of my 3 freshman and 1 transfer I would be drooling at the possibilities. Go get some help now!! With Bost,Sidney,Steele,Lewis,Smith,Moultrie,Bryant,3 freshman, that leaves 3 more spots. I see only Bost n Sidney having guaranteed starting jobs so why sell backup to 3 guys when you're selling open competition for 3 starting spots. You create competition within your program that exceeds competition against your opponent and you will see some serious talent on the court!!
We still have two open scholarships from Bailey and Twany leaving. Surely we will use those two on big men without having to kick a guy that gives all he has and has nothing to go home to off the team.
Unless you are Houston Nutt, you don't kick players off that have not done anything wrong just because they are not very good.
Unless you are Houston Nutt, you don't kick players off that have not done anything wrong just because they are not very good.
maybe so, but we shouldn't pull his scholarship. that's getting into an area i have problems with, i.e. football oversigning. stans and the staff decided to take a gamble that riek's knees would heal and he's recapture the form that had him labeled as a big time prospect a few years ago, but obviously we gambled and lost. however if riek is going to class, showing up for practice and workouts, not violating team rules, and not getting into legal trouble, then he's keeping up his end of the bargain. if he wishes to transfer to get minutes, then by no means am i gonna cry about it, but it should be his decision. riek's inability to fully heal isn't his fault if he's put in the effort and we shouldn't pull a kid's scholarship and take away his ability to get an education (don't think he's coming from money unless he's of sudan royalty or something) just because our coaches whiffed on the evaluation of his knees.DAWG61 said:
i really think you are overestimating the quality of player we could go find at thins point for the 2011-2012 season. <div>DAWG61 said:
</div><div>best case scenario is we HOPE there is a transfer that's worthwhile that would consider us and be eligible to play in 2012-2013.</div>
Lewis is still young and will develop some offensive presence. Ultimately my point is that Lewis seems like a hard worker who will be a team guy like Vincent and doesn't have delusional NBA aspirations as a secondary option inside.
Can we at least get rid of the bowtie wearing midget translator? On the other hand, he adds to the circus mantra that Rick is obviously trying to run with.
The Renardo Sidney Show will make you forget all about Austin and Roberts if he keeps getting better and plays at STATE next year....Sutterkane woya said:
Sudan it's ok to not have any basketball talent whatsoever and use one of our scholarships. Ok fine. I see I won't win this won so I'll drop it but if Riek was from any city, USA you'd be agreeing with me and since when did our basketball team become "operation free Sudan"? If that's the case how bout we go after the kid that can dribble and run for our next scholarship.
you are missing the forest for the trees dude. my point is that no kid that does what is asked of him should have his scholarship pulled. if stans and co. misevaluate a prospect and the kid just plain out isn't as good as they envisioned, then tough tittie for us if that kid is going to class, maintaining grades, abiding by team rules, showing up to practices and games and workouts, and staying out of legal trouble. i find the **** that nutt and saban and lesticles and petrino and apparently now spurrier pull to be totally morally objectionable even if it's within the rules. <div>DAWG61 said:
</div><div>and don't come back and give me some "it's legal" bs. "it's legal" is what people use to justify ethically despicable behavior. </div><div>
</div><div>by failing to attack the totality of my post and instead on focusing on a small part of my post thrown in as an afterthought, you recognize that this is morally wrong, but you don't give a **** because you are pissed and you have deluded yourself into thinking we can somehow find someone to contribute next year this late in the recruiting game. sorry buddy but that ain't happening. and even if it was, we (stans, aka our coach, like him or not) make the decision and it's repulsive to pull ANY kids scholarship simply because they didn't develop how you thought they would when you signed them. </div>
scholarships are under a year to year agreement. Stansbury has told other players with far greater skill to go elsewhere. Bernard Rimmer is an example. We have 2-3 spots open. Someone has to get them. Whose it going to be? I wasn't responding to your post either btw but now I am. I'm not arguing that Riek is a good kid that has done what is asked of him but to say Stansbury doesn't evaluate players at the end of each year and tell some of them "thanks but were going in a different direction" is simply not true.
1) do we have proof of rimmer being told to go elsewhere? and was it purely a performance reason or something else? honestly i thought he just decided to leave on his own because he felt like he could get more pt elsewhere.<div>
</div><div>2) obviously scholarships are year to year agreements. i am just saying that when a kid upholds his end of the bargain (follow team rules, make grades, go to class, show up for practice, stay out of legal trouble, etc) then his schoarlship should be renewed. year to year shcolarship renewals should not, and were not meant to be an opportunity for coaches to rectify their recruiting mistakes by cutting a kid that's done everything but meet the potential the coach misevaluated in him and allowing the coach to bring in a new kid to see if he pans out.</div><div>
</div><div>3) even if stans does this, i whole heartedly do not agree with it. i don't remember anyone transferring essentially against their will without some kinda act that caused them to be cut loose, i.e. robert jackson, elgin bailey.</div>
</div><div>2) obviously scholarships are year to year agreements. i am just saying that when a kid upholds his end of the bargain (follow team rules, make grades, go to class, show up for practice, stay out of legal trouble, etc) then his schoarlship should be renewed. year to year shcolarship renewals should not, and were not meant to be an opportunity for coaches to rectify their recruiting mistakes by cutting a kid that's done everything but meet the potential the coach misevaluated in him and allowing the coach to bring in a new kid to see if he pans out.</div><div>
</div><div>3) even if stans does this, i whole heartedly do not agree with it. i don't remember anyone transferring essentially against their will without some kinda act that caused them to be cut loose, i.e. robert jackson, elgin bailey.</div>
I will admit that I really like Riek. Will he ever be a solid player? No, but he gives everything he has every time he steps foot on the court, and he has had to overcome a ton of stuff in his life.
When we signed Riek, I did some research on him. It is hard not to cheer for the guy. He had one or two brothers killed by the Janjaweed/Muslim militia, and he has had to work his *** off strictly to get where he is. Every article on ESPN mentioned that before he was injured he was incredibly mobile for his size, and he played extremely hard.
Whether he ever sees the court again as a MSU basketball player or not, we should honor his scholarship. You don't cut a guy who has been dealt the hand Riek has. I would hate Stansbury forever if he did.
When we signed Riek, I did some research on him. It is hard not to cheer for the guy. He had one or two brothers killed by the Janjaweed/Muslim militia, and he has had to work his *** off strictly to get where he is. Every article on ESPN mentioned that before he was injured he was incredibly mobile for his size, and he played extremely hard.
Whether he ever sees the court again as a MSU basketball player or not, we should honor his scholarship. You don't cut a guy who has been dealt the hand Riek has. I would hate Stansbury forever if he did.
but that still leaves 2 open spots. Who is Stansbury going to get to fill those 2 spots? Bost and Bryant are seniors next year and no way Sidney stays after next year. That's 3 more spots. Are we going to sign 5 guys next year? We have depth issues if anyone leaves(like they always do) or gets suspended (that's been common) or gets hurt (also common). Without filling those 2 voids you are risking way more playing time than you or I want to see out of unproven incoming freshman or your favorite player John Riek. Go find 2 players Stansbury. Brandon Vincent twins.
but because of behavior/attitude, not ability. The Osby situation seemed like it was the his dad's decision.
And in two years Lewis andShaun Smith will be leaving. Holy crap that makes 7 spots!!!! In three years, Steele and Riek will be leaving. Damn that will make 9 spots to fill !!!!!DAWG61 said:
But seriously, what makes you think that Stansbury won't fill those 2 spots before next season?