If separation happened how would it work?

Capt Morgan

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I agree, but the one problem I have with it is that doing so would push someone down. For example if Montini requesting to 8A pushed Maine South or Glenbard West into 7A then whats the point? And I dont necessarily want to see 8A be essentially a Private class with the largest publics included, it seems haphazard.

The only way I could see it working is if the top class is 64 teams.

Or - if MS or GW also play up maybe it's a team like Curie or Huntley (not sure those are great examples, but I think you get my drift) that get a chance to compete for a title in 7A. I think we all know enrollment is not the best indicator of how good a team is.
 

Cross Bones

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You think there aren't any?
Rochester. I would look to see if they are playing by the rules before moving them up. If nothing comes up then no need to move them up a class.

Or - if MS or GW also play up maybe it's a team like Curie or Huntley (not sure those are great examples, but I think you get my drift) that get a chance to compete for a title in 7A. I think we all know enrollment is not the best indicator of how good a team is.
I dont think enrollment is supposed to determine how good a team is, but it is a way to classify similar schools objectively. Key words being "similar schools" and "objectively"

Thus, if the split were to occur, I don't know that enrollment is the best method to classify open boundaried schools, so people like @ramblinman would be able to come up with the best method to group them in a post season.
 

Capt Morgan

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Rochester. I would look to see if they are playing by the rules before moving them up. If nothing comes up then no need to move them up a class.


I dont think enrollment is supposed to determine how good a team is, but it is a way to classify similar schools objectively. Key words being "similar schools" and "objectively"

Thus, if the split were to occur, I don't know that enrollment is the best method to classify open boundaried schools, so people like @ramblinman would be able to come up with the best method to group them in a post season.

FWIW - Using the Success Adjustment definition (and this years results) - I think Philips, GW, Tolono Unity and C-M would be public schools that would also "qualify"... several other fall into the MC/Naz category where their success crosses classes - CG, Maroa, and Downs Tri-Valley.

You are correct - I definitely didn't explain it very well; my intent was that enrollment is not the best indication of classification. But I also think there can be an objective way to classify that takes into account enrollment, SoS, etc., that would be an overall better approach than what is currently in place - and at least reduce the private vs. public crap.
 
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Regardless I think your point is not a strong one. The hatred and animosity within the public school community toward private (read: Catholic) schools is widespread...

It's the nature of the public school beast. They don't like losing to other public schools, but they LOATHE losing to private (read: Catholic) schools.
Wow... You really have the "oh poor me" hat on today. Let me set you straight. The publics LOATHE the fact that the privates (read Catholic) can recruit kids from their school districts. Like I said before, go to a Burros, or Falcons game and you'll see five different private school coaches there. Now I am sure that they are not there to enjoy a fall Saturday at Main Park....
 

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FWIW - Using the Success Adjustment definition (and this years results) - I think Philips, GW, Tolono Unity and C-M would be public schools that would also "qualify"... several other fall into the MC/Naz category where their success crosses classes - CG, Maroa, and Downs Tri-Valley.

You are correct - I definitely didn't explain it very well; my intent was that enrollment is not the best indication of classification. But I also think there can be an objective way to classify that takes into account enrollment, SoS, etc., that would be an overall better approach than what is currently in place - and at least reduce the private vs. public crap.
I'm torn as to what to do with boundaried schools that don't have boundaries... Phillips, I probably quadruple the enrollment and let them play in the closed boundary or let the closed boundary committee choose where they fit in.

I don't see how SOS could every be an objective criteria outside of our current playoff points system. Perhaps football enrollment, but I am wishy washy on that one because I dont think a public school of 1000 can or ever would be in a position to win the top class, and I dont expect them to be able to.
 

Corey90

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Wow... You really have the "oh poor me" hat on today. Let me set you straight. The publics LOATHE the fact that the privates (read Catholic) can recruit kids from their school districts. Like I said before, go to a Burros, or Falcons game and you'll see five different private school coaches there. Now I am sure that they are not there to enjoy a fall Saturday at Main Park....

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They are there for educational purposes.
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Snetsrak61

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You could probably make a strong case to include economics into a measure to predict success. While public schools do have a lot of economic resources to draw from a lot of those resources get funnelled into special needs kids. There's a lot of factors in it though and I'm not even sure where to begin. Average cost to educate? Percent of special ed students? Average income of the area? I do think the bottom rung of public and private schools are at a disadvantage and basing them on enrollmemt is almost never going to be indicative of their success if thats the goal. Of course there are some exceptions. It also could very on sport. Football takes a lot of bodies and a lot of supplies. Soccer, basketball, track... Easier to run on shoe strung budgets and/or smaller numbers.

Lets just come up with a way to rank schools in the year they are competing. 256 is too daunting, but if you could narrow the field down first maybe you could include some subjectivity into classes and seeding.