I'm confused. Is it still Stansbury's fault?

bruiser.sixpack

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To all the delusional state fans


After reading post after post by morons like coach34etc regarding stansbury, I finally decided to make a screenname and actually post on here. I only want to make one point: Who can we bring in that will be more successful? Generally speaking, people take jobs for 3 reasons: 1. location 2. prestige 3.money.
State is lacking in all three:
1. Location: For the most part, nobody outside of Mississippi wants to move to Mississippi and especially not Starkville (home of strip malls and fast food restaurants). Don't get me wrong I love both Starkville and MS butit hasabsolutely no outside appeal.
2. Prestige:State is not exactly a dynasty, 10 NCAA tournament appearances ever....(BTW, Stans has 6 of those). In addition, SEC is the 4th to 5th best conference in the country. It's not like football, where the chance to coach in the SEC is a big selling point.
3. Money: MSU has one of the smallest athletic budgets of the 4th to 5th best conference. We will never be able to offer big time money to a coach.
I'm tired of hearing"we dont need to settle on medicocrity" and all the other cliches fromall the Stans haters. Youhad one too many inspirational posters in your room when you were in high school. You need to realize that Stans has brought a terrible basketball program tremendous success and firing him will result in either 2 things: 1. we bring in a worse coach and we don't compete at all(please see the other SECwest basketball programs)or 2. we bring in a successful coach that leaves after 2 years for bigger and better things (please see Greg Byrne) and then we don't compete at all.



I posted this almost 4 years ago. Another thing that really bothers me is that we continually blame Strickland for the hire. Do you think Ray was his first choice? How many coaches turned down our job before he had to settle on Ray? I believe it came down to Kenny Payne at UK and Ray because we couldn't attract any others. Stop blaming Stans for this, stop blaming Strick for this.....blame yourselves for being ignorant stupid *****.

See highlighted and underlined, then notice your "join" date below. Pot....meet....Kettle.

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See highlighted and underlined, then notice your "join" date below. Pot....meet....Kettle.

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I posted it under daledog in march 2010. Look it up. I had to change screen names when six pack went to the new format.
 

Philly Dawg

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Its not so much the "draw" of the city as the lack of a recruiting base. Starkville does not have a real basketball prospect very often.
 

johnson86-1

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When I think back to a few of my debates with C34 from years past, I never disputed the fact that Stansbury had his faults. The question that I always asked, however, is whether you're willing to risk solid recruiting, talent, and good defense/rebounding in order to hopefully get a better Xs and Os coach. C34's golden response was... "WHY DON'T WE JUST GET A COACH THAT CAN DO ALL OF THOSE THINGS?!*!!*!*!?

Well... you guys let me know when Bill Self comes knocking on our door

Had Stansbury stuck to those things, I don't think many people would have been willing to risk it. But since he didn't, it was time for a change. I'm a big Stansbury fan and think he should be thought of basically like the Kang. They both were great for the school, but it was time for both of them to step away when they did (actually we probably waited a year too late for Stansbury and maybe more for Jackie). But even while Jackie's last few years were worse, he still left the program in better shape than Stansbury left the basketball team.

Things are much worse now than Stansbury's average year, but you have to remember it's probably not much worse than it would be with Stansbury here. Last year probably would have been basically the same; I assume this year would be better because Stansbury would have done better recruiting, but we'd likely still have more of a drug problem and the inmates would still be running the asylum. It is possible that we made a terrible hire. I actually think we did ok except for the fact that we hired somebody with no recruiting ties in our recruiting footprint (basically the southeast) and that's too much to overcome when you're inheriting a bare cupboard. But if we made a mistake hiring Ray, it doesn't really reflect on the decision to encourage Stansbury to leave, other than maybe we gave Stansbury a year too long and crippled our coaching search by letting the program devolve into such a dumpster fire before asking people if they wanted it.
 

prairiedawg

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But seriously, if you can't tell that Rick Ray is a better coach than Stans, you need hepp. Not directed at any one in general, just the one's who can't see IT.

I need hepp, so splain it to me so I can see IT. How is the coaching better now?
 

EurekaDog

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In a way, yes. If Stans had done what he should've done, he'd still be @ MSU...

and would currently be pushing for a regular season SEC championship.
 

Seinfeld

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My bad. As a fan, I'm a pretty simple guy when it comes down to it. I let other people argue about Xs and Ox, play calling, or whether we're displaying the proper fundamentals or not. All I ask for, though, is a competitive team that wins ballgames more times than not, an entertaining gameday atmosphere, and a few bright spots here and there in recruiting. If I come off as bitter, it truthfully doesn't have a thing to do with Stansbury himself. It's due to the fact that in spite of all of our team's or coach's flaws, we had all of the things that keep me interested in basketball year in and year out, but we seemingly threw it all out the window.

Make no mistake, I'm not blaming one person here. I think that fault of the current situation lies on the shoulders of former coaches, current coaches, and current admin. It was a combination of 17 ups that led to this. It's just frustrating, though, because no matter who we signed, who transferred, or who just flat our quit from our former teams, Stansbury always managed to put an entertaining product on the floor. The light at the end of the tunnel for Ray, on the other hand, seems to keep getting pushed out farther and farther.